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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 11, 2011 6:24:07 GMT
Smith reports that he now has a 51% contolling stake in Sheffield.
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Post by dreadface on Jul 11, 2011 9:41:13 GMT
Wonder if smith managed to wrestle that 1% because rhino sports is owed £5,354.40
though apparently Rink Corp owes Paul Ragan £288.00? Gotta be a joke right? Bet simms isnt happy either £4,187.36
Steelers=manchester united of uk ice hockey? laughable... the leagues largest club? at one point maybe, debatable today.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Jul 11, 2011 21:26:56 GMT
Smith reports that he now has a 51% contolling stake in Sheffield. Owns 51% of nothing in reality. Apparently owning 51% of nothing is the 1st part of the Steelers good new week - barrel, bottom, scrapping anyone HL
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Post by Stewart on Jul 12, 2011 18:50:52 GMT
So Ragan was debt-free Sheffield-wise? But there were debts, weren't there? That was half the fuss at the time... so what happened to those? Who took on that debt? Was there debt though? Have you heard of any creditors? Has there been any creditor meetings? I honestly don't know though I haven't heard of any but I do know that RM Sports were the operating company of the Steelers pre-Ragan and they are still an active company. In fact they are owed £42K by Rinkcorp. I'd have thought that if there were any creditors they would have called in the Receivers by now, wouldn't you? I understood that it was the constant sniping in the Sheffield Star which despite some of the best Hockey in Sheffield for years was stifling crowd growth and that caused the Phillips family to quit.
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 12, 2011 20:06:31 GMT
Didn't the Steelers debts pass to rink corp when Regan brought them? Isn't that why Mrs Phillips is owed money?
(Thats what i surmised? I don't know, i'm asking)
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Post by Stewart on Jul 12, 2011 20:24:47 GMT
Didn't the Steelers debts pass to rink corp when Regan brought them? Isn't that why Mrs Phillips is owed money? (Thats what i surmised? I don't know, i'm asking) No. Ragan went on record as stating that he'd only bought the IP rights (shame he didn't pay for them too) but that he didn't buy the operating company or any debt.
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 12, 2011 21:00:50 GMT
You see, Stewart... this is half the problem. There is so much utter drivel that comes out of the Steelers (far more than any other club - although they all generate some!) that we really have no true idea what the hell is going on! Your PR guy spouts so much crud that I'm surprised that any of you can even breathe without choking, from what I can tell every single ownership person/group (since George Dodds - was that his name?) has lied, cheated, swindled, and spun their way along until nobody can tell fact from fiction, etc etc. Plus you've got a schizophrenic reporter in the local rag who oscillates between praising the Steelers and everyone within them to the high heavens... and launching kamikaze-esque character assassination campaigns on them, without much of a pattern that I can see. And then you've got the fans... who range from well-intentioned types who also harbour doubts but (understandably) find it hard not to back their club, right through to a very large amount of deluded individuals who would believe that the moon was made of cheese if DS The BS said so. Oh yeah - and now you've got a former owner who is sniping at the current (part) owner, accusing him of pretty much the same kind of thing that he himself apparently did when he was in charge! Oh wait, he wasn't in charge at all, was he - that was his wife. Oh, that's all right then. All of which just adds to the confusion. Without actually having all the facts to hand, it's only natural to assume the worst. And, let's face it - going by the Steelers' track record, the worst is the most likely situation wouldn't you say?
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Post by doug on Jul 13, 2011 8:49:24 GMT
You see, Stewart... this is half the problem. There is so much utter drivel that comes out of the Steelers (far more than any other club - although they all generate some!) that we really have no true idea what the hell is going on! Your PR guy spouts so much crud that I'm surprised that any of you can even breathe without choking, from what I can tell every single ownership person/group (since George Dodds - was that his name?) has lied, cheated, swindled, and spun their way along until nobody can tell fact from fiction, etc etc. Plus you've got a schizophrenic reporter in the local rag who oscillates between praising the Steelers and everyone within them to the high heavens... and launching kamikaze-esque character assassination campaigns on them, without much of a pattern that I can see. And then you've got the fans... who range from well-intentioned types who also harbour doubts but (understandably) find it hard not to back their club, right through to a very large amount of deluded individuals who would believe that the moon was made of cheese if DS The BS said so. Oh yeah - and now you've got a former owner who is sniping at the current (part) owner, accusing him of pretty much the same kind of thing that he himself apparently did when he was in charge! Oh wait, he wasn't in charge at all, was he - that was his wife. Oh, that's all right then. All of which just adds to the confusion. Without actually having all the facts to hand, it's only natural to assume the worst. And, let's face it - going by the Steelers' track record, the worst is the most likely situation wouldn't you say? And in that post you have given us the major reason for our drop in crowds. It is not only your fans who are sick of it all!
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Post by crazyken on Jul 13, 2011 9:29:05 GMT
Hey Shaggy - your post should be pinned up for every Steelers fan to see as IMHO it sums up in a nutshell exactly the whole scenario of why the Steelers are in the position that they are in today.
I do hope that new owner Tony Smith get's it turned around, he's local, a good guy and is well aware of the problems he faces.
The league needs the Steelers, we need the Steelers (who else would we bitch about) - maybe we need Simmsey too, it'd be pretty dull without him (can't believe I said that, did I just say that, must lay off the caffine).
Anyway, one again, great post.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jul 13, 2011 9:44:44 GMT
Hey Shaggy - your post should be pinned up for every Steelers fan to see as IMHO it sums up in a nutshell exactly the whole scenario of why the Steelers are in the position that they are in today. I do hope that new owner Tony Smith get's it turned around, he's local, a good guy and is well aware of the problems he faces. The league needs the Steelers, we need the Steelers (who else would we bitch about) - maybe we need Simmsey too, it'd be pretty dull without him (can't believe I said that, did I just say that, must lay off the caffine). Anyway, one again, great post. Agree with you Ken except about Simms. For me he is an unprofessional clown who's comments over the years have done much more harm than good. Even to his own "family".
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 17, 2011 12:54:10 GMT
National newspaper coverage as well... www.thestar.co.uk/sport/ice-hockey/duo_at_war_as_steelers_row_escalates_1_3585912I lose track of all the figures Ragan has come out with... does this "I am over £200,000 lighter for rescuing the Steelers last year" line match up with everything else he's said? And now Ragan is challenging the assessment of debts (good luck with that one!) and, even funnier:- Ragan said that he was pursuing action for “defamation of character” against Phillips.Don't know how lucky he'll be with that one, although BP has certainly been running his mouth on overdrive, with Ragan being one of the primary targets. Having said that, after bigging up his image as some kind of 'reformer' of the league before this whole mess blew up, Ragan sort of set himself up for it a bit... The circus is most definitely still in town!
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Post by spik on Jul 17, 2011 14:50:06 GMT
Great exposure for the sport.......playground fights and figures that don't add up.But then again they never did.
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Post by Heanor Lair on Jul 17, 2011 14:52:51 GMT
Its impossible to have any sympathy with Ragan - he sunk money into an organisation which was (is) a basket case, from an owner who is a basket case.
HL
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Post by pantherdman on Jul 18, 2011 12:24:13 GMT
National newspaper coverage as well... www.thestar.co.uk/sport/ice-hockey/duo_at_war_as_steelers_row_escalates_1_3585912I lose track of all the figures Ragan has come out with... does this "I am over £200,000 lighter for rescuing the Steelers last year" line match up with everything else he's said? And now Ragan is challenging the assessment of debts (good luck with that one!) and, even funnier:- Ragan said that he was pursuing action for “defamation of character” against Phillips.Don't know how lucky he'll be with that one, although BP has certainly been running his mouth on overdrive, with Ragan being one of the primary targets. Having said that, after bigging up his image as some kind of 'reformer' of the league before this whole mess blew up, Ragan sort of set himself up for it a bit... The circus is most definitely still in town! why don't we have a league sponsor again?? Does noone want to be associated with this great publicity for the sport. Bottom line, regan thought he could make an easy profit on Steelers, he didn't do his home work and it backfired
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Post by Shorty on Jul 18, 2011 13:30:09 GMT
I reckon the league should be sponsored by Wonga.com
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Post by wapcap on Jul 18, 2011 14:56:46 GMT
Can HMRC not sponsor the league (as well as Cardiff and Sheffield again this year)?
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Post by Shaggy on Jul 20, 2011 12:14:53 GMT
Speaking of sponsors, it appears that the Steelers are getting an existing sponsor back - with a bit of a twist:- blog.sheffieldsteelers.co.uk/2011/07/20/g-casino-returns-to-support-the-steelers/ All very well.. but are the Steelers ownership really sure that a poker tournament is the right way to go? After all… the Steelers’ owners are rarely flush, never straight… and when was the last time they got a full house? ;D
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Post by Mythosman on Jul 20, 2011 12:26:33 GMT
Speaking of sponsors, it appears that the Steelers are getting an existing sponsor back - with a bit of a twist:- blog.sheffieldsteelers.co.uk/2011/07/20/g-casino-returns-to-support-the-steelers/ All very well.. but are the Steelers ownership really sure that a poker tournament is the right way to go? After all… the Steelers’ owners are rarely flush, never straight… and when was the last time they got a full house? ;D PMSL - pure Gold Shaggy! ;D
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Post by Mythosman on Jul 20, 2011 12:35:30 GMT
I like G-Casino's spokesman - Jon Thomas - sounds a bit of a dick!
Has anybody noticed that all the Steeler's trophies are housed in the Casino? Perhaps it doubles up as a Pawn Shop?
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Post by Mythosman on Jul 20, 2011 12:36:40 GMT
I reckon the league should be sponsored by Wonga.com or the Mickey Mouse Clubhouse!
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Post by robbo2306 on Jul 20, 2011 22:49:28 GMT
Can HMRC not sponsor the league (as well as Cardiff and Sheffield again this year)? According to BP, HMRC sponsor the league already!!
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Post by Phil Mitchell on Jul 21, 2011 12:27:51 GMT
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Post by NottinghamMatt on Jul 21, 2011 12:38:03 GMT
The bloke just doesn't get it does he, obviously expected to be held up as some kind of hero!
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Post by Yotes on Jul 21, 2011 12:39:14 GMT
Phil - moved this one into here. My thoughts on your story - The Star seems to have a low threshold for the word "tycoon"
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Post by Shaggy on Aug 21, 2011 9:10:35 GMT
Allegedly (have to say that, since it's The Stir saying it) Ragan is now totally out of Sheffield:- www.thestar.co.uk/sport/ice-hockey/confidential_ragan_sells_steelers_stake_1_3699461Although (and there's ALWAYS a qualifier with news/rumours coming out of Sheffield) it's not a done deal yet?:- I had to highlight that last bit... will these people never learn...? So - how long before The Saviour v4.0 (aka Tony Smith) falls by the wayside as well? Place your bets...
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