Ian
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Post by Ian on Feb 8, 2010 7:51:41 GMT
When can we say the league is lost? Round about now Chris, by my reckoning. But not just because of last night's defeat, in fact we have played very well at the Skydome this year. No disgrace in losing a tight game in Coventry after putting in a 100% effort (especially after winning the last couple of games there). It has been gutless away performances at the lesser teams that have cost us our challenge. Still, before anyone accuses me of being a moaner who likes the team to lose - we still have a very good chance of picking up two trophies, starting Wednesday evening so now it's time to concentrate on those.
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Post by Rob #12 on Feb 8, 2010 8:35:27 GMT
When can we say the league is lost? It's almost like you have been waiting for it. A little later this year though huh?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 8, 2010 8:47:25 GMT
Enjoyable game. Thought KSP had a sound game not helped when their first two goals were laid on a plate by Gascon and Corey. Henderson was again quiet but at the moment he doesnt seem to fit the fiesty mould of Bruce as suggested. Still needs more games under his belt to judge. I thought Toneys played like a guy who hasnt played much recently and seemed at times to be used sparingly. All our forwards huffed and puffed but it wasnt to be. Next year maybe. + 1
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Rich
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Post by Rich on Feb 8, 2010 9:05:17 GMT
Gascon is ineffective and generally not up to the standard required. If anybody can explain, technically why that is wrong Im happy to discuss it. Making the odd sublime pass (before turning the puck of the next 9 times he gets the back) doesnt cut it. Hes improved, and I want to like the guy but people need to see why hes hurting the team.
We were average last night in a game where we needed to put in a performance worthy of potential champions. Coreys decision to change our systems at the end of the 2nd was the nail in our coffin.
KSP played well, so did Hirsch in the end, but there were many areas we were poor last night and we showed exactly why we wont win the league yet again.
Henderson was disappointing, regardless of the circumstances he didnt look up for the game. Apart from offering to fight Carlson he was far too quiet in a game he could have made his mark in.
Robinson was taking liberties from the off, and it helped his game bigtime. That stability was what we lacked defensively at times, although Danny had another very solid game.
"theres always next year". Lol
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johnrs
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Post by johnrs on Feb 8, 2010 10:09:20 GMT
I was at the game last night an i can say that KSP was very good even though the score was not what we wanted it to be.
Yea i can agree with what some people are saying about Gascon, i have seen him many times get the puck right next to the net an not put it in there on his own. Yea he has become lazy i would say, heaven forgive me for saying but had Corey been going to sign the dirty little oik Finnerty least we know he would have put out in the sodding game.
I am just glad, as a team that the Panthers were going for it. I could see that they were tired and played hard so this alone makes me happy to say i traveled all that way to watch my team but yes it would have been better to see a win away.
On the note of panthersfan24, i do agree with him. Some of your fans must think that the game is played in the away block, either that or my fly is down again?
Yea there is bitter fans when you loose or people aiming for a fight or tussle, but out of all the arenas i have been to even Phoenix and Bisons arenas last season, I have never been so disgusted as i have been going to the skydome.
Just leaving with some friends and i get a message from the fat bald old man that opens the door for your players to enter or exit it as he stares me down laughs way out loud and shouts better luck next time. Ok now he might genuinly mean better luck next time but is this not enticing a fan to do some thing we should not?
Also coming up to the main enterance one of your fans leans over and shouts "you fudging knob head" So as im looking at him hes got his arms out wide as if to offer me a fight, All i could say is that his team won so whats his problem?
And your security is just shocking, the tall tall security man who looks like he is carry carpets under each arm needs to go on the drink before work to relax, i only asked him if he was alright an he grunted at me an turned away. He always stands near the net watcher towards the away block. Its like when we are chanting he gives our people the evils or when i was stood next to him an hinted jokinly that one of the panther supporters wanted to be his friend he swore at me.
Now i know people will say that i dont know what it is like to work in that sort of atmosphere when i actually do, its part of my job and in my company there are over 3000 security personal and i have never met anyone like some of the security team there.
But end of the day, the best team won. Good on ya Blaze But the league is not over till my missis is singing.
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Milkman™
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Post by Milkman™ on Feb 8, 2010 10:17:02 GMT
When can we say the league is lost? It's almost like you have been waiting for it. Longer than you chap, just maybe take the rose tints off and realise that the Panthers not winning the league again, just might not be my fault.
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Post by sameagain on Feb 8, 2010 10:29:23 GMT
Was standing next to the penalty box when Levers went in, the foul and disgusting inuendos from two older blaze fans was something I have never heard before in all my time watching hockey. I asked a security person If that was acceptable, he laughed, even the scorer looked chocked. The game poor defence and thats what wins championships.
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Post by jd on Feb 8, 2010 10:54:54 GMT
Gascon is ineffective and generally not up to the standard required. If anybody can explain, technically why that is wrong Im happy to discuss it. Making the odd sublime pass (before turning the puck of the next 9 times he gets the back) doesnt cut it. Hes improved, and I want to like the guy but people need to see why hes hurting the team. Its having a big impact on the team, Mann and Bergin have been playing as centre and that isnt a good thing. Reminds me of when Ellis played Corey as a centre. Tessier was good last season and i think replacing him with someone as good should have happened. But it didnt, so that is why a 100 game NHL winger has played as a centre. We should have signed Finnerty
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Post by Rob #12 on Feb 8, 2010 11:01:16 GMT
It's almost like you have been waiting for it. Longer than you chap, just maybe take the rose tints off and realise that the Panthers not winning the league again, just might not be my fault. It might not be your fault, but you wait for it each year like a kids waits for Xmas. You seems to take great pleasure in it despite claiming to be a fan. You may have hung around with the players in your old job, as would be expected. You may have some funny stories to tell, but you are never there to share in the good times when we do have them. Maybe the odd well done here or there, but that seems likes it's through gritted teeth. Just when it's gloom and doom time do you seem to come out and into your own. Then it's time to criticise this, critise that. I ain't saying that there are points to give criticism on, but it seems like it's all you can do. Please prove me wrong! Maybe it's time to lay the axe to rest huh? What's done is done and in the past, you can't keep beating the current team up for anything that went off.
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Post by texpef on Feb 8, 2010 11:11:54 GMT
Rob I see your point but winning the series against the steelers and saying well done to the team seems a little premature especially as the team then go on to loose vital points against the likes of hull and edinburgh who for the most part are the whipping boys this year in all likelihood will cost us the league.... again....
And as Chris has said this seems to now be endemic within the panthers pysche in that they always seem to fall short come the end of the season. Yes the team have gave it a good run this year and some of the games the hockey has been outstanding but when push came to shove mistakes either through coaching or game plan or call it whatever you like have let the club down which makes it very difficult now to achieve that holy grail...
I am sure Chris like the rest of us hope against the odds that they can turn it round and win the remaining games and hopefully take three trophies but in all honesty its a very long shot now for the league and to me thats all that Chris is stating...
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Dan
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Post by Dan on Feb 8, 2010 11:14:18 GMT
Can Corey retire now please?
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Post by jd on Feb 8, 2010 11:17:14 GMT
Can Corey retire now please? Why? Serious question by the way
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Post by panthersgirl on Feb 8, 2010 11:17:44 GMT
Went last night and I thought we played well. However I was standing and some of their fans are awful.. them sticks they had they were banging so hard against the glass i thought they were going to smash it... looking at us as they knew we were panthers fans- trying to intimidate us. The funniest comment of the night was when their goal got disallowed and we were standing at the opposite goal and they were all shouting that it wasn't high sticks... sorry but how can they tell from there... i couldn't see and i know they couldn't. Also can someone clarify what points we are on as its different on every website?? I'm sure we are 44 games 57 points?? however now we need to concentrate on the challenge cup and play-offs i think!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2010 11:18:26 GMT
What a shocker, looks ike panthers will be missing out on the league ... once again!
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Post by Rob #12 on Feb 8, 2010 11:24:21 GMT
That's fair enough but it's all the time, everytime. Soon as it's looking like it's over, there's milkman. Always delivers, yeah like clockwork.
Call me naive, but I ain't giving up when we have a mathmatical chance of winning, esp with having to play Cov 2 more times. That's 4 points we can take off them alone, not mention games against the other 7 teams who have nearly beaten them as many times as they have beaten us.
If we choke, we choke. We will have made progress from last year and I for one want to see Corey have a another crack at it.
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Post by Hadden11 on Feb 8, 2010 11:28:51 GMT
Shock horror milkman once again stirs the pot after a loss, like a broken record. Are you Simms in disguise?
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johnrs
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Post by johnrs on Feb 8, 2010 11:58:56 GMT
Also Coventry may have a few games in hand, so as i see it that have more games to play than Nottingham and therfor may or may not be more tired in the future. Until it comes to a mathematical equation where only one team will win then i still keep my hopes up for the Panthers pulling it back.
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Post by Yotes on Feb 8, 2010 12:08:09 GMT
Can Corey retire now please? Why? Serious question by the way Because, good a player as he has been, the mistakes are becoming far too frequent and he seems a yard off the pace to me. I've always liked Neilson, enough to have his name put on a couple of jerseys in fact, but I think it's time to hang them up, unfortunately. Also can someone clarify what points we are on as its different on every website?? I'm sure we are 44 games 57 points?? I think you're right, but as you say various sites (EIHL, Panthers, Blaze) seem to have completely different numbers.
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Mark
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Post by Mark on Feb 8, 2010 12:10:23 GMT
Seems Dean Smith wasn't up to reffing the game last night. Chants of "the referee's a Panther" and for the entire 2nd half of the game he doesn't call a single penalty on the Blaze, not an excuse, just an observation.
Corey Neilson needs to stop with the dumb penalties, he's the coach and his example isn't the best. How does he expect the team to follow his rules when much of his play is at fault. Despite him needing to sharpen his coaching and play up a bit I'd give him one more season. Two isn't enough and it's not like our club is the greatest at making the correct decision as regards the coach is it?
I stopped going to the Skydome a couple of seasons ago because every time I visited I got into bother. There's a hardcore of idiots in their crowd who the security people refuse to deal with. If somebody had called me a knob head I would have likely smacked him in the mouth, hence I stay away.
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Paul
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Post by Paul on Feb 8, 2010 12:49:46 GMT
Ahhh, the good old mathematical v realism debate. Yes we can mathematically still win the league but realistically are we going to? I don't think so. Now, that doesn't mean I don't hope we do. I do, I really do but looking back over some of the performances this season I simply can't see it happening. We're where we are for a reason. The only consistant factor has been our lack of consistency. Do I want to the team to agree with me? NO! I want them to fight for every game until it is a mathematical certainty and I'll support them all the way but none of that stops me from being realistic about our chances.
I don't know Milkman (I've met him once but I doubt he'll remember - it was five years ago) and I don't always agree with what he says but to start accusing him of wanting to see Panthers lose simply, it appears, because he doesn't agree with your view point is a touch extreme (and I know you'll think I would say that because I agree with him on this point).
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Post by Rob #12 on Feb 8, 2010 13:06:43 GMT
I don't know Milkman (I've met him once but I doubt he'll remember - it was five years ago) and I don't always agree with what he says but to start accusing him of wanting to see Panthers lose simply, it appears, because he doesn't agree with your view point is a touch extreme (and I know you'll think I would say that because I agree with him on this point). I never said he wanted them to lose, I simply said he mainly seems to post his 'broken record' speech all over again as soon as they do. Two different things.
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Paul
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Post by Paul on Feb 8, 2010 13:10:52 GMT
It might not be your fault, but you wait for it each year like a kids waits for Xmas. You seems to take great pleasure in it despite claiming to be a fan. Apologies if I read it wrong but the above quote does seem to suggest what. Again, my apologies if I misunderstood your intentions. I still stand by my comments regarding maths and realism though
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Sharon
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Post by Sharon on Feb 8, 2010 13:12:38 GMT
It’s a real shame to see this thread develop into yet another anti-player thread – this time obviously Gascon is the recent bashing victim…. I also think it’s quite fascinating to see that people are finding fault with a player for not being physical enough considering the fact no one had a problem with Molin and he was just as adverse to physical contact.
Granted, Molin produced more goals on average, but that’s not what Gascon was signed for – he was signed to be a playmaker and that’s precisely what he has been doing – it’s difficult to deny his healthy 43 pts from 42 games (35 of which are assists) doesn’t reflect the stats of a playmaker? So, he doesn’t like to get involved with the rough stuff, so what? Surely we can’t expect every player to play a physical game, previous examples that come to mind are Molin, Ahlroos etc, all fairly small players who needed a bit of protection on the ice and still managed to put up decent points.
Not wishing to start yet another player-bashing conversation, I’m really interested to hear why people fail to mention Bergin’s poor point production thus far. For an import forward to produce a mere 26 points from 37 games is far worse statistically, aside from the fact that he seems to be making endless mistakes on the ice and seems to be passing the puck to the opposition more to our own players lately! I would go as far as saying he has been a liability at times. Is it purely because he battles well in the corners and checks hard? I’m genuinely intrigued if people put physical contact/presence over point production in their priorities.
Let the flaming begin…
PS - I do personally believe that we still have a shot at the league, and I won't believe otherwise until we can no longer do it mathematically – it’s the left brain in me! (and no, I'm not a "happy clapper")
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Post by Rob #12 on Feb 8, 2010 13:15:31 GMT
It might not be your fault, but you wait for it each year like a kids waits for Xmas. You seems to take great pleasure in it despite claiming to be a fan. Apologies if I read it wrong but the above quote does seem to suggest what. Again, my apologies if I misunderstood your intentions. I still stand by my comments regarding maths and realism though I can see why you thought that, but I did mean that he takes pleasure in being able to go on about the same old sameold etc...IMHO.
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Post by Shaggy on Feb 8, 2010 13:17:02 GMT
Is there any danger of actually keeping this thread on topic - you know, a little thing called a hockey GAME that happened Sunday evening - and not continually degenerating into butting heads? Complaining about "moaners" or "happy clappers"... barbed little comments about who still has hope of winning the league and who doesn't - and why the other person 'obviously' has the completely wrong attitude... No need for it whatsoever. On any side.
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