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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 5:33:56 GMT
I look out for the results, I'm still a Panthers fan, just a very disillusioned one. It's sad to me the British hockey has let its success slip through its fingers to the extent that fans like me just don't have the interest anymore...what makes it worse is that I have no idea what I'd suggest to them to get it back. Sad times. +1 mate In 4 seasons I missed 4 games, I went 2 seasons not missing a single game home or away. What went wrong, well to be honest my ambition was greater than theirs, quite literally. My only regret is that I saw 1 trophy in 6 years. exactly my view too, chris you will know i very rarely missed games, not i don t go that often mainly due to the standard, you don t get players willing to skate through brick walls anymore
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Post by buster on Jan 11, 2010 7:28:09 GMT
no but its the best we've got and im not willing to give up on it, just yet.
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Post by Mark on Jan 11, 2010 7:35:53 GMT
Time was I had a season ticket every year and got to as many away games as possible. My kids got older and started coming with myself and the wife so the season tickets got too expensive, but still made every home game and cherry picked my away games. Still got to Belfast and Edinburgh though because I wanted to watch my team as much as possible.
Now though the away games have completely stopped and although I still attend home games I've not been to ten this season and it's not really bothered me in the slightest.
Too many players who don't give a toss, just here for a European Holiday and then are gone, poor decisions regarding the coach's position, problems with the management, a completely stale match night presentation, too many spectators who seem to see a match as a night out rather than supporting the Panthers, the list goes on.
I remember a team that wasn't particularly good but killed themselves to get the win every Saturday night. What happened to that Nottingham Panthers?
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jan 11, 2010 8:50:32 GMT
"too many spectators who seem to see a match as a night out rather than supporting the Panthers"
Agree with much of yuor post Mark, but that I don't. If you have a problem with people going to sport for entertainment, part of a wider night out or whatever then you may as well give up on sport totally or watch grass roots. Sport is entertainment, it's no longer pure sport, never will be again.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 11, 2010 11:06:47 GMT
You're all getting old. lol What you gonna do on Saturday night? stay in and watch strictly???
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Post by killercarlson on Jan 11, 2010 11:26:21 GMT
2 major 'atmosphere creators' are no longer around at the NIC (for reasons unknown to me, but hints towards being stamped out by the Panthers grumpy brigade) are the Pandas and Horseman. Watching Horseman make it to the top of block 12 was actually more entertaining than a lot of the hockey over the last few years!
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Post by overthelake on Jan 11, 2010 11:32:32 GMT
I said at the staert of the season that we need more than boring hockey Corey.
After luck scraps against Hull and Edinburgh at home recently we need more.
I would love an enforcer to get the players and crowd going.
The support is getting flat ane quieter by the game.
It needs sorting out quickly before the support disappear faster than our league title
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Post by sambo79 on Jan 11, 2010 12:02:09 GMT
I really think a section of the seating for noisy people/horns/drums etc would definately help the atmosphere. Use block 19/18 to begin with and see how it catches on. The only people that used to get the entire crowd going were the Pandas, now the NIC is like a library on match nights.
Just goes to show how it doesn't affect the team though as we have a pretty good home record this season.
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Post by alisonh on Jan 11, 2010 12:04:05 GMT
I'm one of the newbies in that I have only been to home matches at the NIC. I agree that the atmosphere is not what it could be, not helped by the match night presentation which airs on the side of fence sitting and is more interested in repeating the sponsors advertising ad nauseum.
The older supporters will disappear, but those of us who haven't experienced life in the 'old barn' will continue. Its the evolution of the hockey supporter, whether it evolves into something better or worse who knows.
Am I right in thinking Panthers have now got a lady who is supposed to be some kind of fan liason person? I've got a vague memory of someone posting about it at the start of the season? Maybe this would be a step in the right direction in terms of listening to the proper fanbase (...I know optimism gets you nowhere in this game but I can't help it)
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Post by Outlaw on Jan 11, 2010 12:09:08 GMT
I really think a section of the seating for noisy people/horns/drums etc would definately help the atmosphere. Use block 19/18 to begin with and see how it catches on. The only people that used to get the entire crowd going were the Pandas, now the NIC is like a library on match nights. ...or how about selling 100 standing places at the stage end. A bit of plexi banging,.. with drums, horns or whatever allowed. No ST's there,. just first come first served.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jan 11, 2010 12:38:17 GMT
I really think a section of the seating for noisy people/horns/drums etc would definately help the atmosphere. Use block 19/18 to begin with and see how it catches on. The only people that used to get the entire crowd going were the Pandas, now the NIC is like a library on match nights. ...or how about selling 100 standing places at the stage end. A bit of plexi banging,.. with drums, horns or whatever allowed. No ST's there,. just first come first served. Went to a game in Cologne last weekend and they have standing sections at either end of the Laxness Arena. Both were full, prob around 2000+ in each section. Atmosphere in those sections was closer to that of the Turkish football matches than hockey, really added to the game. Nothing abusive or aggressive, just passionate support for their team. Don't see any reason this standing idea couldn't be adopted at NIC at the stage end. They have huge numbers standing for gigs in the arena. Alison is spot on though, it's the evolution of the supporter we are seeing. Things change. That doesn't mean ideas like standing areas should just be forgotten, on the contrary they should be embraced, keep a nod to what's gone before in the era of the new. Sadly the big arenas are pretty much all the same bar the odd game, ACC, Madison Sq Gardens, Old Trafford, the list can go on and on. The bigger the attraction and therefore the bigger the crowd the more diluted the 'partisan' support becomes.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 11, 2010 12:40:24 GMT
If the NIC wont allow horns and drums perhaps we should hold up cardboard messages like at the cricket? lol
Seems stupid to me.
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Post by sparta on Jan 11, 2010 12:42:03 GMT
I really think a section of the seating for noisy people/horns/drums etc would definately help the atmosphere. Use block 19/18 to begin with and see how it catches on. The only people that used to get the entire crowd going were the Pandas, now the NIC is like a library on match nights. Just goes to show how it doesn't affect the team though as we have a pretty good home record this season. I think you make a very good point Sambo; when my brother in law & I went to watch Slavia last January, the atmosphere was great due to a large section of the Slavia fans having drums and large banners, mocking the opposition. Slavia fans saying all Sparta fans are gay, lol, which i don't think would be allowed over here but it was really funny all the same.
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Post by doug on Jan 11, 2010 14:52:08 GMT
The way you are feeling now is exactly what is being felt in Sheffield. If these posts are pretty much general I can now only see your crowds starting to drop as well. I hope not. I have missed more games this season than in the previous 15 years put together and am desperate to keep interested but, if the situation is not perfect for me it's just another excuse not to attend. Hockey has been a big part of our lives for 16 years and we would hate to lose it but, something must be done in Britain to kick it up the back-side.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jan 11, 2010 15:01:12 GMT
Thats the thing though doug these type of threads come up every season, usually about a day or 2 after we've played the so called 'smaller' clubs at home and the NIC has been stale, quiet etc etc. But the crowds are not going down, they are going up. This season's average crowd is around the 4800 mark I believe (Stef can prob give up to date figures, earlier in the season it was about that mark or slightly above).
What you have to remember is that the people who post on here are, to a large extent, not representative of the Panthers fanbase as a whole. The discontent seems to centre mainly around fans who knew and loved 'old style hockey' in the 'old barn'. Two things that will never happen - the old barn atmosphere will not return. you will not get a 'football' type atmosphere week in week out at hockey games. It wont happen.
The difference between steelers and Panthers is that steelers are seeing wholesale discontent and apathy AND that is being reflected in crowd figures. From what I can see Panthers are only experiencing some discontent from some sections of the fanbase. I'm not saying that it's not justified but while crowds stay high and indeed go up NB will be happy and GM will get a pat on the back. It's the problem of having one man running the show at cross purposes. he has to do his radio interviews and articles on the website as if he's going all out to provide the platform for Corey to win games and for Panthers to win the league. Sadly the truth is that GMs job, like it or not, is to sell tickets and grow the profits - and he's doing that job. It's not his fault that he isn't 100% focused on delivering on the promise that winning the league is the No1 priority, selling tickets, shirts and sponsorship is what NB pays him to do.
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Post by Milkman™ on Jan 11, 2010 15:57:39 GMT
This season's average crowd is around the 4800 mark I believe (Stef can prob give up to date figures, earlier in the season it was about that mark or slightly above) Actually its 4575 thats up 1% *Source homepage.ntlworld.com/peter.walch/
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Post by Higgy on Jan 11, 2010 16:02:48 GMT
That surpises me about the average attendance as we seem to have had a lot more sub 4,000 crowds than we did last season even on saturdays...i suspect that would be due to more games v Hull and Caps on saturdays which never bring the big gates anyway.
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Post by pantherinmanc on Jan 11, 2010 16:06:23 GMT
Cheers Milky. Assuming that includes this weekends game then surely the talk of 'things getting worse' are just that, talk. Other teams talk of recession hitting their crowds yet far from crowds going down ours go up. Ok only +1% at present but to stay constant this season would be seen as a success by NB I imagine. With no disrepsect to anyone on this forum I think alot of the moaning is just hot air, doesn't matter, to NB at least, if the bums on seats are passionate panthers fanatics or casual supporters, £15 is £15 no matter who's pocket it's come out of. Different aims, people on here want to win the league, want a rocking NIC and partisan support. I'm afraid that although NB and GM may 'want' that, it's not their sole, or arguably not even their number one, aim.
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Post by Higgy on Jan 11, 2010 16:09:07 GMT
I could see the health and safety police getting in the way of flags and standing at games...a massive problem is the apparent ban on flags with poles which seems to be a general British sport thing which is a shame.
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Post by Rob #12 on Jan 11, 2010 16:13:56 GMT
We have no problems with flags and poles at Liverpool
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Post by Yotes on Jan 11, 2010 16:39:39 GMT
The discontent seems to centre mainly around fans who knew and loved 'old style hockey' in the 'old barn'. Well, I never saw a game at LPS, and I'm disillusioned with it at the moment. Personally I think it's just the way the game is currently being played over here, when you watch the NHL and see the power and the pace, then go to the NIC and see our lot dawdling about playing almost non-contact, it doesn't stack up. Maybe that's where I've gone wrong, should've stuck to UK hockey and remained ignorant of the rest. We'll never match the NHL for skill obviously, but heart and physicality are surely areas we can get close to that standard? If they increased I reckon the NIC atmosphere would mirror it.
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Post by sparta on Jan 11, 2010 16:41:53 GMT
Jeez, it must be bad if people would prefer to watch the Leafs
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Post by Higgy on Jan 11, 2010 16:44:37 GMT
We have no problems with flags and poles at Liverpool Yeah i was gonna say with the exception of Liverpool...The stewards took this blokes flag off him at the Burton v Notts game a few weeks ago...killjoys
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Post by buster on Jan 11, 2010 16:56:12 GMT
this is what happens when teams dont sign enforcers.
the most exciting games for me have been the belfast games as they have the 'what is HE going to do this week' aspect to them. dont get me wrong some games have been good, beating sheffield has been nice, but theres one thing garunteed to get most on their feet is fights. like it of not, that is near as fact as one can be.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2010 17:03:36 GMT
I'll go against the grain, I still have the same passion for the Panthers as I've always had. Sure, not winning the league gets you down but I still enjoy going.
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