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Post by BIG-BAD-TONE on Oct 23, 2006 10:42:42 GMT
A win on Wednesday and a good trouncing of the steelers the Saturday after and all will be well with the world ;D
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Post by Helen B on Oct 23, 2006 10:45:18 GMT
A win on Saturday and a good trouncing of the steelers the week after and all will be well with the world ;D You wish, you really wish.... keep on wishing ;D
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Post by BIG-BAD-TONE on Oct 23, 2006 10:53:45 GMT
A win on Wednesday and a good trouncing of the steelers the Saturday after and all will be well with the world ;D You wish, you really wish.... keep on wishing ;D Who died and made you my fairy godmother then ? ;D ;D
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Post by mortimershoals on Oct 23, 2006 11:42:35 GMT
TBH I thought the entertainment was great last night. I stayed at home & watched a rivetting episode of The Royal.
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Post by MP on Oct 23, 2006 11:49:47 GMT
We dropped 3 points this weekend because we didn't play well enough this weekend, it's that simple. That begs the question is "Why didn't we play well enough?" I was all in favour of us taking part in the CC the first time around. I wasn't quite so enthusiastic about our participation this time around, given that the previous trip did seem to adversely effect our performance for the rest of the season. We may have come back largely injury free this time but on the evidence of Saturday's game, we certainly didn't look to up for the game either physically or mentally, despite the assurances that everyone was raring to get back to domestic action. If this apparent hangover extends beyond a game or two then I'm beginning to think future participation in the CC will have to be reconsidered in the overall interest of Panthers and their wider fan base.
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Post by smart6 on Oct 23, 2006 12:01:00 GMT
In my mind the only really significant down side to taking part in the CC is the risk of injury. We dropped 3 points this weekend because we didn't play well enough this weekend, it's that simple. Agree totally. Once we started playing the pre Rouen style again ie second period yesterday then we were back to our winning ways. (even though technically we didn't 'cos of a BF) Why did Corey take the penalties last night - wasn't he the first player to be awarded the looser cruiser? That said he played 100% better than against the Caps Onwards and upwards
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Post by Peacock on Oct 23, 2006 12:01:01 GMT
We may have come back largely injury free this time but on the evidence of Saturday's game, we certainly didn't look to up for the game either physically or mentally, despite the assurances that everyone was raring to get back to domestic action. Maybe they were all raring to go. Maybe the team just had a bad weekend. Maybe the CC had a negative effect. Maybe it didn't. Maybe all these threads/posts are conjecture by people who know a lot less about Hockey than the Management team of the Panthers. Maybe no-one will care about the CC if we beat Sheffield.
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Post by newham on Oct 23, 2006 12:06:03 GMT
Well, i'm not overly disappointed with last night. We were away at a side that were fresh and we outplayed them. The only difference between the sides was the sublime Wolff, he kept us at bay with some phenomenal saves.
I still can't quite figuire out how we lost. We outshot them 19-8 in the first and kept going in a similar vein throughout the game. The problem was that Simoes kept trying to find the hole in the goalies chest and far too often the shot went over or wide when it would have been easier to score.
As for the incident in OT, i struggle to believe that Bonifarce had a better view of it than the goal judge who by all accounts was indicating it was in all the time. It didn't bounce out like it had hit the post either and as somebody said earlier, the Phoenix knew it had. The last in a long line of pathetic calls by the man in black.
I'm not too disappointed though, if we play like that every week we'll win 9 out of 10 and we did get a point after all. It was a decent atmosphere, a decent game and the only real downside was that i didn't get home until gone midnight!
PS. Another down actually, 14 quid to go to iceSheffield?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 15:21:21 GMT
What game were you watching
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Post by Helen B on Oct 23, 2006 15:30:34 GMT
What game were you watching Same one as you Pidge, btw nice to put a face to the name even if it was from a distance. If there were still draws then a draw would have a fair result, but since draws don't exist then I think, my opinion, that Manchester just shaded it for the extra point. Although I do feel you was robbed with the OT goal. Don't forget Pidge... everyone sees a different game.
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Post by Rich on Oct 23, 2006 15:35:00 GMT
Yes you nominate 3 guys to take shots, not 100%sure if they have to be in the same order or not tho.
I agree with LukeThomas, Whats the friggin point in having goal judges anymore. IMO the goal judge should have more say than the ref not less, but for boniface to not even ask is very disappointing especially in the circumstances. Also the puck was definatly over the line, I wasnt sure to start with but then I caught another glimse of it just before Wolfe dived on it and it was definatly over. Can anyone confirm if Boniface gave it then changed his mind? To start with he didnt look like he was going to rule it out. He certainly didnt look sure which goes back to my original point...
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Post by newham on Oct 23, 2006 15:38:01 GMT
What game were you watching Same one as you Pidge, btw nice to put a face to the name even if it was from a distance. If there were still draws then a draw would have a fair result, but since draws don't exist then I think, my opinion, that Manchester just shaded it for the extra point. Although I do feel you was robbed with the OT goal. Don't forget Pidge... everyone sees a different game. How can we nearly deserve to lose a game when we nearly doubled their shot total?!?!?!
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 15:41:10 GMT
I thought we were poor for the first 10 mins, that was it, after that we took the game to the phoenix.
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Post by Tambo on Oct 23, 2006 15:48:26 GMT
my thoughts on tonight, first period... started much the same as last night, got better as the night went on, last period I thought we were back to 'normal'. Also at the end of the day we have only failed to take points from 1 single game so far. Incidents during the game... That final goal was in. Im sure of it. The lino thought it, goal judge.. everyone. Simoes check. Broke the guys shoulder apparently, gives Tambo no right to mouth off at us calling us goons. If hes gonna stand 3 feet from the plexi and hold the puck hes gonna get hurt. Thats practically the first thing you learn when taking hits, you stay flat to the boards. If anyones a classless goon its cambell. He comes in and blindsides Simoes. Then backs away as Simoes gets angry. Overall I think the result was fair though, we paid the price for 2 poor periods. Also Lindsays kick save was amazing! End of the game, Reesy wanted to go but whoever he was squaring up to didnt, despite having about 6 inches on him. Shmyr wanted to go but Gomez refused.... Probably afraid to take the rightful vengance for Cambells cheapshot on Simmy. I thought he was meant to be a fighter! Ha ha, what a joke. First of all, what gives you the right to say I do not have the right to express an opinion. Having said that, and calmed down after finding out that the two cowardly attacks on Phoenix players did not do any permanent damage, i will apologise for the rant. I will not however apologise for the content. The check to the head of Molin by Simoes was at best very badly mistimed, however no player should have his stick that high. How Boniface( I will come to him later) took no action is beyond belief. I think Messier got it right when he said he was lucky not to get game. Campbell did what any player would do, being closest to the attack, took retribution hockey style. No complaints about Campbell's misconduct for doing it though. It's the price you pay. You obviously don't know much about hockey when you say Hecl should have hugged the boards. He was 3 feet from the boards, in control of the puck and was playing it out of defence. The hit on him was a jump from around 4 feet and again should have resulted in a game penalty. Boniface had turned away as Hecl was playing the puck forward and missed it totally. Perhaps one of the linesmen should have called it. Gomez refused Shmyr........ get a life..... they were both up for it, but our Nigel decided to chuck them out before they could get it on. All he has done there is make sure it will happen next time, instead of the pair of them getting it out of their system. The goal/no goal............... absolutely no idea as I was on the far end of the concourse, but a few Phoenix fans I talked to thought it had crossed the line, some said the whole puck hadn't. No idea as I said, but this just evens up the ridiculous tripping call in Nottingham last game when Panthers got the winning goal. What goes around comes around and it will even up over the season, I hope. Overall cannot begrudge Panthers their point, they looked good for long periods, with Phoenix defending high on the blue line and soaking up pressure. Great work by Wolfe all night, Lindsay did his fair share at the other end too. I just wish Phoenix had been sharper and picked up some of his straight pad rebounds. I like Emersic and Simoes is a canny player but he has to be careful he does not get a real pasting for some of his challenges. Difference at the end was Molin, penalty shot taker extraordinaire, thats 3 from 3 for him this season. Boniface.................. I thought Hicks was the worst referee in the league, and still do, however Nigel was absolutely dreadful to both sides . He comes across as very arrogant to players and obviously to goal judges as well. He very nearly spoiled a pretty competetive game. I honestly do not think your team is as bad as some of the posters are saying. They are a compact, offensive unit and you will still be up there at the end of the season. Tambo
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Post by MP on Oct 23, 2006 15:51:37 GMT
How can we nearly deserve to lose a game when we nearly doubled their shot total?!?!?! That might depend on the quality of the shots perhaps? Can anyone confirm if Boniface gave it then changed his mind? To start with he didnt look like he was going to rule it out. He certainly didnt look sure which goes back to my original point... If he's not sure then the referee is going to give the benefit of the doubt to the defending team. However, it's no surprise that NB apparently didn't consult with anyone prior to making the decision - would seem to be very much in character for him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 15:52:38 GMT
So if you were the far end of the concourse, how the hell can you get a good view on that check to Hecl, wake up, you choose to see things thats suits your team. So you go on hearsay, well from where i was it looked like the puck rolled under wolfs body over the line, end of.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 15:54:13 GMT
Pasting... we ll see, hes a midleweight fighter, he just hasn t got angry yet
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Post by Tambo on Oct 23, 2006 15:57:10 GMT
So if you were the far end of the concourse, how the hell can you get a good view on that check to Hecl, wake up, you choose to see things thats suits your team. So you go on hearsay, well from where i was it looked like the puck rolled under wolfs body over the line, end of. I was on my way to the announcers box when the goal/ no goal incident happened. When Hecl was jumped i was approximately a block away from it on the same side. Jeez
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Post by Tambo on Oct 23, 2006 16:02:57 GMT
Pasting... we ll see, hes a midleweight fighter, he just hasn t got angry yet You don't seriously think Simoes has a chance against some of the heavyweights in the league do you? I reckon Voth, Clouthier, Cruickshank, Darby, Ferone Gomez, Campbell and even Payette ( well maybe not him) would murder him Tambo
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Post by newham on Oct 23, 2006 16:05:57 GMT
First of all, what gives you the right to say I do not have the right to express an opinion. Well, firstly by the fact you can't seem to distinguish a decent hit (such as Simoes) from an ugly one.
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Post by newham on Oct 23, 2006 16:07:19 GMT
How can we nearly deserve to lose a game when we nearly doubled their shot total?!?!?! That might depend on the quality of the shots perhaps? True, but we dominated the first (19-8 says it all) and even the second and third we managed to have the edge of. Manchester have far superior finishing however.
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Post by Tambo on Oct 23, 2006 16:08:08 GMT
Have to add that I wasn't very impressed with the organisation tonight. Having watched the Scimitars game, we were then made to leave the arena, which was almost impossible, as fans were already waiting to come in for the Phoenix v Panthers game. There was even someone trying to push a wheelchair through the crowd too, to try and get out! I know this is probably a one-off, but maybe those with tickets for both games could have been allowed to stay in the arena and just have their tickets checked by a steward Lucy, we had no choice in this matter, apparently it is a standing order under their health and safety certificate that the arena be cleared. Think its something to do with the fact that Scimitars were responsible for the first game and Phoenix for the second, therefore the place had to be cleared. We have learned though, it will be easier for the crowd to get out next time as we will put barriers up on one side to get the crowd out quicker and easier. Tambo
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Post by heja on Oct 23, 2006 16:08:39 GMT
So if you were the far end of the concourse, how the hell can you get a good view on that check to Hecl, wake up, you choose to see things thats suits your team. So you go on hearsay, well from where i was it looked like the puck rolled under wolfs body over the line, end of. I was on my way to the announcers box when the goal/ no goal incident happened. When Hecl was jumped i was approximately a block away from it on the same side. Jeez he wasn't jumped he was checked and cleanly, same as the other one when the manchester guy decided to submarine on the hit and stry and send simoes over the top. simoes is an alright fighter hes not going to get rag dolled anyway ashe is so strong. simoes couldn't handle someone like cloutier or voth, but he wouldn't lose to players like cambell and gomez well definitly not cambell
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2006 16:08:49 GMT
Pasting... we ll see, hes a midleweight fighter, he just hasn t got angry yet You don't seriously think Simoes has a chance against some of the heavyweights in the league do you? I reckon Voth, Clouthier, Cruickshank, Darby, Ferone Gomez, Campbell and even Payette ( well maybe not him) would murder him Tambo And why have him take those on when you have a heaveyweight in your team, personally drew a pen from daft campbell , i heard he d have prefered to go as it would have meant serious retribution from Smhyr, now that could have been messy, don t worry Ryan will get him next time.
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Post by Tambo on Oct 23, 2006 16:11:05 GMT
That might depend on the quality of the shots perhaps? True, but we dominated the first (19-8 says it all) and even the second and third we managed to have the edge of. Manchester have far superior finishing however. Not so sure about superior finishing, our first was a scramble and just sheer persistence. The second was a cracker. Your first was probably the best of the evening even though it was a powerplay. Phoenix played a defensive game, possibly out of respect for your offence and it nearly worked. Patience was the order of the day, hence the big difference in the shot count Tambo
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