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Post by BlackburnHawk on Oct 22, 2006 23:33:08 GMT
Gutted ! No, we didn't play particularly well in the 1st Period, but in the 2nd and 3rd we were better (both played better and were better than Manchester).
I'm gutted because it was a goal. No doubt. Yes, Wolfe rolled over on it, but the puck was CLEARLY over the line. I was sat virtually on the goal line and it wasn't even questionable.
But I'm even more gutted at something else.....the arrogance of Bonifarce. Not only does he overrule the bloke with the red light (which I know he can do), he doesn't even speak to him. Surely he should have questioned the light going on ? The whole game was ruined by Boniface (yes, for both teams), but the crucial decision he got wrong. I've always thought he was incompetant.....I'm now beginning to wonder if he isn't biased against us (and Belfast.....didn't think I'd sympathise with Ed Courtney, but after tonight.........).
Never have I come away from a hockey match feeling so angry. No hard feelings re Phoenix.....not their fault. Boniface is a disgrace. I think most of you always knew this. I've tended to give him the benefit of (considerable) doubt.....but not anymore.
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Post by dad on Oct 22, 2006 23:35:54 GMT
Convenient. Point the finger at the Continental Cup (which in all honesty is probably to blame I agree) and decry it. I could stomach this if people had complained about us entering it BEFORE last weekend but at that point everyone was beside themselves with pride and excitement so let's not turn round now and complain about it and swear blind we shouldn't have entered and how stupid the club were, eh? A few months ago Belfast and Newcastle were stupid for NOT entering. As hard as it may seem, I was at least 'concerned' about us entering the Continental cup again, after it rogered our players & season last time. It's a risk taking part, & a risk too far in my opinion. if we were competing with the european sides on level terms (Which with the vast differences in the wage caps, we are not) then so be it, lets take part. However, in my humble opinion I see little to no point in playing in a tournament we can never win, and where qualification into round 2 is the best we could ever hope for. Why potentially ruin the whole domestic season for that?. I can not think of one single good reason.
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Post by heja on Oct 22, 2006 23:38:38 GMT
From what I saw Wolfe made the save and seemed to lose the puck, one of yours tried to tip it in but Wolfe rolled round and covered it with his catcher. Very difficult to say if it went in or not. People seem to get all wrapped up in what the goal judge does, I'm afraid it doesn't matter! There is only one man on the ice that can award a goal, regardless of whatever anyone else says, and in this case he didn't. You will benefit from the same situation at some point during the year. might as well not have goal judges, if the ref doesn't even consult the goal judge at all. if boniface was 99.9% sure it didn't go in he should of still go and asked the goal judge IMO hes got the best veiw eg looking stright at it its not like he turnedthe light on by mistake either as he left it on for a good few seconds
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Post by girliescott61 on Oct 22, 2006 23:42:41 GMT
1st period terrible, 2nd period warming up, 3rd period on fire and overtime denied! the goal went in, i saw it and the red light flashed. I think we've had two nights of dodgy reffing also. What was with Corey at the end taking 2penalty shots? Was that mikes choice or his??? i think the attack on simoes by campbell was an absolute disgrace, if you've got a problem and want a fight at least wait for the guy to turn round, then lets have gloves off and a proper hit, it was dangerous and he deserved what he got. I thought considering, Evan had a good game tonight. We can't take anything away from the Pheonix tonight though, their defence was good and their netminder seemed to be on fire. At the end of the night, an unfortunate loss but a nail biting game, and thats what i love!
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Post by dad on Oct 22, 2006 23:42:54 GMT
Gutted ! No, we didn't play particularly well in the 1st Period, but in the 2nd and 3rd we were better (both played better and were better than Manchester). I'm gutted because it was a goal. No doubt. Yes, Wolfe rolled over on it, but the puck was CLEARLY over the line. I was sat virtually on the goal line and it wasn't even questionable. But I'm even more gutted at something else.....the arrogance of Bonifarce. Not only does he overrule the bloke with the red light (which I know he can do), he doesn't even speak to him. Surely he should have questioned the light going on ? The whole game was ruined by Boniface (yes, for both teams), but the crucial decision he got wrong. I've always thought he was incompetant.....I'm now beginning to wonder if he isn't biased against us (and Belfast.....didn't think I'd sympathise with Ed Courtney, but after tonight.........). Never have I come away from a hockey match feeling so angry. No hard feelings re Phoenix.....not their fault. Boniface is a disgrace. I think most of you always knew this. I've tended to give him the benefit of (considerable) doubt.....but not anymore. Did they not suspend Hicksy recently for poor performance/s?. Can they not do the same when the powers that be see the game video?. To not even speak to the lino OR goal judge shows amazing arrogance. Not that I am suprised. Problem is, we have too few officials as it is. As crap as Nigel is, we probably can not afford to lose another one.
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Post by Helen B on Oct 22, 2006 23:45:09 GMT
What was with Corey at the end taking 2penalty shots? Was that mikes choice or his??? Looks like for penalty shoot outs the same 3 skaters keep taking the shots, because it was the same 3 Manchester players were taking shots on the 2nd rotation as well.
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Post by Helen B on Oct 22, 2006 23:46:07 GMT
Person who calls himself dad, if all the refs were suspended for bad performances then we would have no refs left.
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Post by Lucy on Oct 22, 2006 23:53:01 GMT
Have to add that I wasn't very impressed with the organisation tonight. Having watched the Scimitars game, we were then made to leave the arena, which was almost impossible, as fans were already waiting to come in for the Phoenix v Panthers game. There was even someone trying to push a wheelchair through the crowd too, to try and get out! I know this is probably a one-off, but maybe those with tickets for both games could have been allowed to stay in the arena and just have their tickets checked by a steward
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Post by heja on Oct 23, 2006 0:05:17 GMT
can't really have ice sheffield to blame for that though, they had to fit in two games in very limited time, either our game faced off at like midday or it face off and about 10pm if we wanted to avoid that
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Post by dad on Oct 23, 2006 0:12:55 GMT
Person who calls himself dad, if all the refs were suspended for bad performances then we would have no refs left. See what I put. We seem to agree!
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Post by andyd on Oct 23, 2006 0:17:38 GMT
sorry Andy but alot of people myself included have said it was a waste of time and even if we had entered by right (which we DIDNT btw) we should have not entered into an unecessary competition which we had absolutely no chance of winning.... Yes Tex...but you (and I as I'm in agreement) are the minority. What winds me up is everyone who was gushing about it now decrying it when last Monday they couldn't stop praising how awesome it was and what a good thing it was to be a part of it.
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Post by dad on Oct 23, 2006 0:27:01 GMT
sorry Andy but alot of people myself included have said it was a waste of time and even if we had entered by right (which we DIDNT btw) we should have not entered into an unecessary competition which we had absolutely no chance of winning.... Yes Tex...but you (and I as I'm in agreement) are the minority. What winds me up is everyone who was gushing about it now decrying it when last Monday they couldn't stop praising how awesome it was and what a good thing it was to be a part of it. Agreed. It was probably a great party. Judging from some of the reports I have read and heard, the Hockey seems almost incidental.
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Post by heja on Oct 23, 2006 0:31:07 GMT
the continentel cup has had no effect on how we are doing now, we just arn't getting the bounces we were getting before.
we need pertriko back so we can have ballanced lines, silly fool for burning his arm or hand
simoes IMO should be on a line with clarke and stevens and Macaslan on a line with petricko and emersic when everyone is healthy, then third line rotation, plus myers for important face offs. oh and shmyr looking tough and trash talking anhything that moves LOL
at the moment with macaslan and clarke the same lines the others are too weak
simoes would give clarke so much room if he played with him
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Post by messier1851 on Oct 23, 2006 0:47:41 GMT
From my seats which weren't far off level with the goal line, the puck was over the line, only just but far enough, then Wolfe dropped on it to cover it, I think the Manchester players reactions were most significant, certainly a couple of them seemed to think it was in. Thought it was a poor decision to overrule the goal judge, after all his job is to see if the puck has crossed the line, Boniface was behind the play and so wouldn't have had such a good view compared to the guy in the booth.
Thought Wolfe was excellent for them tonight, couple of stellar glovesaves, specially the one when he had dropped his stick. Simoes had a good game again, such a sparkplug player, although he was lucky to escape at least a 2+10 for his hit on Molin which sparked the assualt from Campbell. It could even have been worthy of a 5+G, it was from behind and he drilled him face first. Although Campbell was wrong to react as he did you can see why he did it.
We started very slowly and were maybe a touch lucky to only be one down, particularly as Manchester had a 5 on 3. Basiuk impressed me for them tonight, in fact as a defensive unit they looked pretty solid, they maybe lack a genuine goalscorer, as their powerplay showed a bit tonight but they were certainly a game for us and a point a piece was probably about fair, although obviously we'll feel we should've had the extra point.
Thought McAslan's penalty shot was dynamite, as were Molin's, that guy has speed to burn. A good end to a decent game really, BIG fan of the shootout.
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Post by lukethomas on Oct 23, 2006 7:22:53 GMT
The not talking to the goal judge thing seems to be happening a lot lately. It happened to the Lions in Bradford. Guy hits the cross bar, the puck comes STRAIGHT back out in a perfect straight line, the goal judge shakes his head, the linesman says no, but the referee gives it and says it hit the back bar (which is curved and would of sent the puck back out at god knows what angle!) Thing is, the ref wasnt even with play and was still on the blue line!
As an official myself, if the light goes on and stays on when the puck is close to the line, i will ALWAYS consult the goal judge and Linesman. 8 eyes have to be better than 2 anyday of the week. Thats what they are there for. Thats what they get paid to do. And i know most of the guys and gals that goaljudge elite arent beginners, so not just a nervous twitch with the thumb on the light button!
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Post by loveday on Oct 23, 2006 8:10:25 GMT
[quote What was with Corey at the end taking 2penalty shots? Was that mikes choice or his??? Can someone in the know confirm the rules for Penalty Shoot Outs. I was led to believe that only the Players on the Ice at the final overtime whistle can only be selected for the shoot out. It appears that Manchester made sure their best penalty takers were on the ice, Panthers obviously didn't as I believe we have a lot better Penalty "Shoot out " specialists than Corey. Anyone know the rules?
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Post by Helen B on Oct 23, 2006 8:15:12 GMT
Person who calls himself dad, if all the refs were suspended for bad performances then we would have no refs left. See what I put. We seem to agree! I'm sorry, it was late and I was tired and I only read the first bit
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Post by dad on Oct 23, 2006 8:27:54 GMT
See what I put. We seem to agree! I'm sorry, it was late and I was tired and I only read the first bit No problem, no big deal. No one died.
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Post by Lucy on Oct 23, 2006 8:41:20 GMT
Looks like for penalty shoot outs the same 3 skaters keep taking the shots, because it was the same 3 Manchester players were taking shots on the 2nd rotation as well. If we play under NHL rules, they state: Each team names three shooters. If the game remains tied after the three shooters are done, the teams continue shooting in "sudden death" mode. Looks to me as if those same three shooters do continue to take the penalties?
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Post by Rumpole on Oct 23, 2006 8:47:17 GMT
After the first five minutes a decent performance - outshot them 40-24. Too many penalties - yes, Boniface was poor, but we know what he's like and we just have to shut up and get on with it. IF he was SURE the puck hadn't crossed the line, then fair enough, it is his call at the end of the day, but the goal judge came and told the team afterwards it had definitely crossed the line, a couple of Phoenix fans on the way out said it had, and the most compelling evidence - the Phoenix players attitude. It was only when Boniface sowed the seed of doubt that they started reacting, up until then they looked as if they knew they'd lost. It's Boniface's arrogance that gets me - why didn't he go to speak to the goal judge even if just to tell him he was wrong!!
On the plus side, a much better performance. Simoes and McAslan were outstanding, #37's equaliser was a beauty!
I don't go with this "Blame the CC" line. Saturday was poor, but that happens. The next 3 games will give us a better idea of where we're at
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Post by Cav on Oct 23, 2006 8:58:58 GMT
Can someone please explain why playing in the CC is so bad? I accept that we played 3 games in 3 days, but thats not so different to training on a Friday & playing 2 games at the weekend. The travelling to Northern France is not much different to travelling to Ayr, Fife, Edingurgh, Dundee, etc. The CC is being used as an excuse for under performance.
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Post by dad on Oct 23, 2006 9:45:43 GMT
Can someone please explain why playing in the CC is so bad? I accept that we played 3 games in 3 days, but thats not so different to training on a Friday & playing 2 games at the weekend. The travelling to Northern France is not much different to travelling to Ayr, Fife, Edingurgh, Dundee, etc. The CC is being used as an excuse for under performance. I stand by the reasons I originally gave on page 6. All my opinion of course.
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Post by belak on Oct 23, 2006 9:55:31 GMT
Jeez, two losses on the bounce (one on penalty shots) and it appears the good ship Panther is rudderless & going down. Crikey, better get the life jackets out
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Post by Doughnut on Oct 23, 2006 10:06:22 GMT
There are various pros and cons to playing in the CC though. It's good publicity for the club and may well help us sign players for less money than we would otherwise have to pay them. It's (theoretically) good practice for the team, and extra opportunity for them to play together and try new things without the worry of dropping league points if things don't work out.
In my mind the only really significant down side to taking part in the CC is the risk of injury.
I don't think that taking part in the CC is what made us drop 3 points this weekend. They had 6 days to recover, that should be plenty time (barring injuries). You could argue that the psychological effect of losing the 3 CC games harmed our chances this weekend, but I disagree with that. I doubt that losing three games that, realistically, you were always going to lose, would play on your mind too much.
I'm not really sure if I think we should take part in the CC or not. I think I'm more against than for, but that's entirely down to the risk of injuries, which as it happens, weren't an issue this time.
We dropped 3 points this weekend because we didn't play well enough this weekend, it's that simple.
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Post by belak on Oct 23, 2006 10:07:29 GMT
We dropped 3 points this weekend because we didn't play well enough this weekend, it's that simple. Exactly, it's just some want to be able to say " I told you so."
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