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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 7:14:46 GMT
Post by sameagain on Mar 30, 2008 7:14:46 GMT
He wants to come back on a two year contract with a large pay rise, ME and Askey had words and have now fallen out. Has the super dressing room now been broken, if Askey thinks that last night's performance will get him what he wants, he better thing again.
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john
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 9:23:04 GMT
Post by john on Mar 30, 2008 9:23:04 GMT
He wants to come back on a two year contract with a large pay rise, ME and Askey had words and have now fallen out. Has the super dressing room now been broken, if Askey thinks that last night's performance will get him what he wants, he better thing again. So it that why he played so bad last night?!
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 9:36:26 GMT
Post by martinski83 on Mar 30, 2008 9:36:26 GMT
I really don't understand the hype around this guy.
Let me assure you that this guy coming back is no cause for concern. I think we all knew that if he was good enough to return for a 2nd year then he would demand more money: 1) Who wouldn't? This is a 1 year contract game generally 2) The NHL card 3) I've already had better offers elsewhere
When TA signed for us, he claimed we rescued him as he was all booked on a flight home. We've accomodated him, let him play his music gigs and publicised them and frankly if he doesn't want to repay that loyalty then there are plenty ofgood netminders in the AHL, ECHL, UHL, OHL, WCHL, Extra-Liga, DEL-2 and more that would fit the bill.
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 9:49:02 GMT
Post by premakpower on Mar 30, 2008 9:49:02 GMT
I really don't understand the hype around this guy. Let me assure you that this guy coming back is no cause for concern. I think we all knew that if he was good enough to return for a 2nd year then he would demand more money: 1) Who wouldn't? This is a 1 year contract game generally 2) The NHL card 3) I've already had better offers elsewhere When TA signed for us, he claimed we rescued him as he was all booked on a flight home. We've accomodated him, let him play his music gigs and publicised them and frankly if he doesn't want to repay that loyalty then there are plenty ofgood netminders in the AHL, ECHL, UHL, OHL, WCHL, Extra-Liga, DEL-2 and more that would fit the bill. What he said,.. ..and if you all miss the music,.. you can come and watch me play the banjo,.. I'll only charge you a fiver,.. not fleece you for a tenner.
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 10:42:41 GMT
Post by jimbo on Mar 30, 2008 10:42:41 GMT
had to blme askey last nite on 2 goals
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 11:19:18 GMT
Post by paek on Mar 30, 2008 11:19:18 GMT
I really don't understand the hype around this guy. Let me assure you that this guy coming back is no cause for concern. I think we all knew that if he was good enough to return for a 2nd year then he would demand more money: 1) Who wouldn't? This is a 1 year contract game generally 2) The NHL card 3) I've already had better offers elsewhere When TA signed for us, he claimed we rescued him as he was all booked on a flight home. We've accomodated him, let him play his music gigs and publicised them and frankly if he doesn't want to repay that loyalty then there are plenty ofgood netminders in the AHL, ECHL, UHL, OHL, WCHL, Extra-Liga, DEL-2 and more that would fit the bill. Hype often comes with various Nottingham Panthers players, not just Tom Askey. There was hype about Tvrdon, Boynton, Rovnianek... I'd agree that there are plenty of other goalies out there and I have always said that players come and go. Having said that, Askey has done well for us since replacing Rovnianek and *if* he's asking for more cash to re-sign, I don't think it should be dismissed immediately.
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 11:52:18 GMT
Post by martinski83 on Mar 30, 2008 11:52:18 GMT
I really don't understand the hype around this guy. Let me assure you that this guy coming back is no cause for concern. I think we all knew that if he was good enough to return for a 2nd year then he would demand more money: 1) Who wouldn't? This is a 1 year contract game generally 2) The NHL card 3) I've already had better offers elsewhere When TA signed for us, he claimed we rescued him as he was all booked on a flight home. We've accomodated him, let him play his music gigs and publicised them and frankly if he doesn't want to repay that loyalty then there are plenty ofgood netminders in the AHL, ECHL, UHL, OHL, WCHL, Extra-Liga, DEL-2 and more that would fit the bill. Hype often comes with various Nottingham Panthers players, not just Tom Askey. There was hype about Tvrdon, Boynton, Rovnianek... I'd agree that there are plenty of other goalies out there and I have always said that players come and go. Having said that, Askey has done well for us since replacing Rovnianek and *if* he's asking for more cash to re-sign, I don't think it should be dismissed immediately. That's a fair point. What you have to remember with Rasto though is that, however many people disagree, he earnt that that 2nd year deal. It's sad it didn't work out for him here but he single-handedly brought the playoff title back to Nottingham. To a lesser extent, Rasto had that 'Beckham' factor. He wasn't the most gifted netminder but he was a showman and he knew how to get the majority of the fans on his side. After one of his better games you left the NIC with a buzz after singing and chanting his name. That hit fever pitch at the playoffs and it was great. Askey doesn't have that. I'd also like to hear Tom on tv or radio/online talking about hockey. I don't really care i he's a good musician. Nice talent but he is a hockey player and I want to hear him talking passionately about the Panthers, the Elite League, Netminding in general. Tvrdon is doing ok now. Bad injury coupled with not really settling in over here means that it would be unfair to judge his career based on a few months over here. Same could be said of Nemirovsky and the whole finding nemo joke. Damn good player when he played, pity he rarely did.
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 12:42:40 GMT
Post by paek on Mar 30, 2008 12:42:40 GMT
Hype often comes with various Nottingham Panthers players, not just Tom Askey. There was hype about Tvrdon, Boynton, Rovnianek... I'd agree that there are plenty of other goalies out there and I have always said that players come and go. Having said that, Askey has done well for us since replacing Rovnianek and *if* he's asking for more cash to re-sign, I don't think it should be dismissed immediately. That's a fair point. What you have to remember with Rasto though is that, however many people disagree, he earnt that that 2nd year deal. It's sad it didn't work out for him here but he single-handedly brought the playoff title back to Nottingham. To a lesser extent, Rasto had that 'Beckham' factor. He wasn't the most gifted netminder but he was a showman and he knew how to get the majority of the fans on his side. After one of his better games you left the NIC with a buzz after singing and chanting his name. That hit fever pitch at the playoffs and it was great. Askey doesn't have that. I'd also like to hear Tom on tv or radio/online talking about hockey. I don't really care i he's a good musician. Nice talent but he is a hockey player and I want to hear him talking passionately about the Panthers, the Elite League, Netminding in general. Tvrdon is doing ok now. Bad injury coupled with not really settling in over here means that it would be unfair to judge his career based on a few months over here. Same could be said of Nemirovsky and the whole finding nemo joke. Damn good player when he played, pity he rarely did. Absolutely regarding Rovnianek, it made sense to bring him back and I think there would have been an (understandable) outcry if Ellis hadn't have re-signed him. That's not to say however that I personally had doubts about it, especially given his age when the fact Panthers openly put their cards on the table and said they wanted a league title. I don't blame Rasto full stop for him being axed, but more a collective responsibility but he was the fall guy ultimately. Askey I feel, is a more durable goalie than Rovnianek though. Curtis Joseph was widley regarded as being a better goalie than Belfour for the Leafs as Joseph was very much like Rasto, flopping all over the ice and that tends to get the crowd's imagination more than than the goalie who is in the right position for the shot, and then covers up and freezes the play. I think the club built up the hype reference Nemirovsky and certainly Trvdon, while the fans did it with Rasto.
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 12:50:24 GMT
Post by matt44 on Mar 30, 2008 12:50:24 GMT
I really don't understand the hype around this guy. Let me assure you that this guy coming back is no cause for concern. I think we all knew that if he was good enough to return for a 2nd year then he would demand more money: 1) Who wouldn't? This is a 1 year contract game generally 2) The NHL card 3) I've already had better offers elsewhere When TA signed for us, he claimed we rescued him as he was all booked on a flight home. We've accomodated him, let him play his music gigs and publicised them and frankly if he doesn't want to repay that loyalty then there are plenty ofgood netminders in the AHL, ECHL, UHL, OHL, WCHL, Extra-Liga, DEL-2 and more that would fit the bill. Hype often comes with various Nottingham Panthers players, not just Tom Askey. There was hype about Tvrdon, Boynton, Rovnianek... I'd agree that there are plenty of other goalies out there and I have always said that players come and go. Having said that, Askey has done well for us since replacing Rovnianek and *if* he's asking for more cash to re-sign, I don't think it should be dismissed immediately. Well I think the hype over Boynton was quite well deserved! And lived up to.
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Askey
Mar 30, 2008 23:40:53 GMT
Post by lewis24 on Mar 30, 2008 23:40:53 GMT
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Askey
Mar 31, 2008 0:06:59 GMT
Post by heja on Mar 31, 2008 0:06:59 GMT
i think he deserves a big pay rise tbh, i believe he wasn't on that much signing for us as he had just been sacked by the club and it was more him begging to come here than ellis begging him to sign.
put a decent defence in front of him(team defence) like Coventry have and he would be pretty much unbeatable imo
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5+game
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Askey
Mar 31, 2008 15:29:56 GMT
Post by 5+game on Mar 31, 2008 15:29:56 GMT
if askey is asking ME for a 2year contract then this would mean that ME has been confirmed as coach for next season, or else it would be useless asking somebody who may not be here next year anyway for a contract
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Mythosman
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Askey
Mar 31, 2008 16:20:32 GMT
Post by Mythosman on Mar 31, 2008 16:20:32 GMT
if askey is asking ME for a 2year contract then this would mean that ME has been confirmed as coach for next season, or else it would be useless asking somebody who may not be here next year anyway for a contract I think you'll find that contracts are with the Club, not the Coach - unless he's paying them out of his own pocket, of course! Therefore, the logic of your assertion that Ellis must already have been confirmed as Coach for next season is a bit suspect! Having said that, I wouldn't be unhappy with that scenario, provided that he's learned that we need 5 D-men, and at least 1 top-class Centre from Day 1 of next season.
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Askey
Mar 31, 2008 16:30:55 GMT
Post by 5+game on Mar 31, 2008 16:30:55 GMT
if askey is asking ME for a 2year contract then this would mean that ME has been confirmed as coach for next season, or else it would be useless asking somebody who may not be here next year anyway for a contract I think you'll find that contracts are with the Club, not the Coach - unless he's paying them out of his own pocket, of course! Therefore, the logic of your assertion that Ellis must already have been confirmed as Coach for next season is a bit suspect! Having said that, I wouldn't be unhappy with that scenario, provided that he's learned that we need 5 D-men, and at least 1 top-class Centre from Day 1 of next season. so the coach of a team doesn't sign the players then? im sure if ME is to be replaced i dont think his replacement would be too happy with players being signed witout his say so, afterall its the coach who has to get the players playing together and its his arse on the line if they don't. Im sure you will find that all coach have a say in who gets offered a contract and who doesn't. Before the season started ME was quoted as saying that Neil Black had given him alot of money to sign the players HE wanted.
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Mythosman
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Askey
Mar 31, 2008 16:42:25 GMT
Post by Mythosman on Mar 31, 2008 16:42:25 GMT
I think you'll find that contracts are with the Club, not the Coach - unless he's paying them out of his own pocket, of course! Therefore, the logic of your assertion that Ellis must already have been confirmed as Coach for next season is a bit suspect! Having said that, I wouldn't be unhappy with that scenario, provided that he's learned that we need 5 D-men, and at least 1 top-class Centre from Day 1 of next season. so the coach of a team doesn't sign the players then? im sure if ME is to be replaced i dont think his replacement would be too happy with players being signed witout his say so, afterall its the coach who has to get the players playing together and its his arse on the line if they don't. Im sure you will find that all coach have a say in who gets offered a contract and who doesn't. Before the season started ME was quoted as saying that Neil Black had given him alot of money to sign the players HE wanted. Indeed, the Coach should pick his own squad, and the GM should negotiate the details of the individual contracts. However, in the past, there have been strong rumblings that some of the players may have been contracted without a particular Coach's instruction. By whom, I'm not even going to speculate!!
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andyd
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Askey
Mar 31, 2008 23:14:11 GMT
Post by andyd on Mar 31, 2008 23:14:11 GMT
I think you'll find that contracts are with the Club, not the Coach - unless he's paying them out of his own pocket, of course! Therefore, the logic of your assertion that Ellis must already have been confirmed as Coach for next season is a bit suspect! Having said that, I wouldn't be unhappy with that scenario, provided that he's learned that we need 5 D-men, and at least 1 top-class Centre from Day 1 of next season. so the coach of a team doesn't sign the players then? im sure if ME is to be replaced i dont think his replacement would be too happy with players being signed witout his say so, afterall its the coach who has to get the players playing together and its his arse on the line if they don't. Im sure you will find that all coach have a say in who gets offered a contract and who doesn't. Before the season started ME was quoted as saying that Neil Black had given him alot of money to sign the players HE wanted. How many NHL coaches sign their own squad? Answer - ZERO! It's their job to coach the players not pick them (that's the GM's job) That said I am certainly not advocating that here in the UK, no thank, no way never! But it is worth remembering, it's simply not true to say every coach gets a say in who get's signed!
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Askey
Mar 31, 2008 23:20:44 GMT
Post by jmc on Mar 31, 2008 23:20:44 GMT
Thing is GM's in the NHL know a thing or two about ice hockey, whilst we have someone, who supposedly blanks fans, and slams former players and gets boo'd from his own fans.
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5+game
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 9:51:35 GMT
Post by 5+game on Apr 1, 2008 9:51:35 GMT
so the coach of a team doesn't sign the players then? im sure if ME is to be replaced i dont think his replacement would be too happy with players being signed witout his say so, afterall its the coach who has to get the players playing together and its his arse on the line if they don't. Im sure you will find that all coach have a say in who gets offered a contract and who doesn't. Before the season started ME was quoted as saying that Neil Black had given him alot of money to sign the players HE wanted. How many NHL coaches sign their own squad? Answer - ZERO! It's their job to coach the players not pick them (that's the GM's job) That said I am certainly not advocating that here in the UK, no thank, no way never! But it is worth remembering, it's simply not true to say every coach gets a say in who get's signed! were not talking about the NHL tho are we?
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Rich
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 11:18:56 GMT
Post by Rich on Apr 1, 2008 11:18:56 GMT
Id take Askey back. I dont like his "Its not financially viable" comments though. Offer him a contract and stick to it, if he wants more money than Ellis/Whoever was going to offer send him back.
We will be offering ECHL wages near enough from my understanding so he wudnt go there, hes not good enough for AHL anymore and I wudnt have thought he wants to go jetsetting around europe anymore so I dont really understand his comments.
As with Ellis, if theres better out there sign them up but theres a lot worse.
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 11:31:12 GMT
Post by Yotes on Apr 1, 2008 11:31:12 GMT
Without knowing what he's been on this season, it's difficult to know what he's expecting for next year. Could be on peanuts for all we know, since he was pretty much out of work at the time etc. If the price isn't too high, I'd be very happy to see him signed up for a couple of years.
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 11:59:37 GMT
Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 1, 2008 11:59:37 GMT
To be honest I'd like to see either Lyle or Murphy in net next season, give us more options for the rest of the roster
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 12:06:53 GMT
Post by ted on Apr 1, 2008 12:06:53 GMT
I cant see Murphy here to be honest... Lyle is a possibility.... may as well be here than anywhere else
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 12:33:19 GMT
Post by pantherdman on Apr 1, 2008 12:33:19 GMT
I can see Lyle coming here if Askey isn't retained, but i'd prefer Askey. i think an ITC on a netty is a must.
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 12:40:21 GMT
Post by Mark Mac on Apr 1, 2008 12:40:21 GMT
I'm not sure on Askey. Some good performances, but then he's had some poor performances, and made some stupid mistakes. And I wish when he had the puck behind the net he wouldn't always hit it away cos half the time one of our guys is only a metre or so away.
I think Lyle is good, but then the ITC-nettie issue is a concern.
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Gilly
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Askey
Apr 1, 2008 13:13:02 GMT
Post by Gilly on Apr 1, 2008 13:13:02 GMT
i said previously that i would love lyle to be here next year, he is among the best netties in the league, but its whether you want to take a gamble on him with being a brit and so on, he will be hard to replace if he picks up a long term injury
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