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Post by sunbeam on Jul 27, 2005 10:59:23 GMT
Read's batting takes into account all 149 of his first class outings, even i will admit he was hardly the finished article when he set out. If you take the last 30 first class games the three have played im sure it will be a lot closer. That may be so but I still reckon he's the weakest of the 3. There is no way Jones will be dropped til after the 3rd Test and that's probably for the best. It needs to be proven to everybody that Jones isn't good enough. At the moment there are still many who think he is a good batsman. The Aussies will quickly prove he isn't. If he is fit I would expect Read to get the nod over Prior. Especially as the Test will be at TB. Giles will probably be dropped then for Collingwood.
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Post by newham on Jul 27, 2005 11:37:55 GMT
Personally, i don't really want Read picked, but i know he should be. Notts is not a fashionable county to pick players from so i really can see Prior getting selected over Read once again.
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 1, 2005 20:07:07 GMT
Colly has been called-up into the squad. The wicket is extremely damp and so is likely to seam about. I can see Colly replacing Giles in the XI.
Hopefully.
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Post by newham on Aug 1, 2005 22:20:01 GMT
Who has Colly replaced?
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 1, 2005 22:55:13 GMT
Nobody mate. He's been added to the squad. They'll probably stick with the same XI but they've got an option to play him at 6. He obviously would massively improve our fielding and he can bowl his medium pace instead of Giles' so-called spin. But it's at Edgbaston which is Giles' home ground so they'll do the dumb thing and pick Giles.
The wicket is a pudding and so GBH and Freddy won't be anytyhing like as effective. McGrath and Warne will be fine so the Aussies must be loving this dreadful weather. Egbaston was our best hope for a win but now it favours them. Not good.
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Post by Ian on Aug 3, 2005 12:58:23 GMT
Just heard on 5 Live that Collingwood has been released from the England squad so will not be playing in tomorrow's test.
Disappointed because he is as likely to take wickets as Giles (especially on a seamer's pitch like Edgbaston promises to be), he is a better batsman and we could certainly do with someone who can catch the ball.
Looks like Vaughan has recovered from his bang on the arm in the nets yesterday (shame our bowlers can't get the Aussie batsmen sent to hospital for x-rays) so he will be fit to play.
Not confident about this match at all. All the momentum is with the Australians now and we really need one or two of our bowlers AND batsmen to step up now. Trouble is, looking at the two sides I can't quite see who it is going to be. I thought Strauss was the genuine article and could possibly be a man to lead England to some decent totals but he has struggled so far. Flintoff seems to have forgotten how to bat (not surprising as he hasn't done any serious first class batting for ages) and the familiar weaknesses of Trescothick and Vaughan are being exposed by a class bowling attack. Pietersen is a great attacking batsman who will turn a decent start into a good total for you, but he can't be expected to carry an innings, especially if he's left high and dry with the tailenders for company - his only option then is to hit out at everything.
We shall see, but I foresee another heavy defeat for the home side.
I love cricket, it gives me an outlet for the cynicism and negativity that I invest in hockey for the other six months of the year....
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 3, 2005 18:07:13 GMT
Spot on analysis Ian.
Colly isn't Vaughan's mate like Giles. Tremlett was told by Warne to bowl hard in the nets at Vaughan so as to impress him!
Giles will do FA this weeks. The wkt is a seamer's track and so the Aussies will love it. It won't have bounce and so neutralises GBH and Freddy. Warne will still spin it.
Edgbaston was our best hope of avoiding a whitewas. The Oval now is.
ps Glen McGrath has only ever played 33 state games in his career in Oz! No wonder he never seems tired!
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Post by newham on Aug 4, 2005 11:02:46 GMT
Beam, it's not really acting like a seamers track now is it? 86-0 in 100 minutes of play
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Post by dodit on Aug 4, 2005 11:23:50 GMT
Trescothick has got his half- century. Im so glad that Glenn Mcgrath is injured so i think england have a really good chance of winning but i wish that shane warne was injured as well.
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Post by newham on Aug 4, 2005 17:32:34 GMT
i wrote a couple of posts on the Forest forum:
"Go easy on Bell. Pietersen is the first batsman to hit 50 in his first three innings since no other than IAN BELL, he might not have had the greatest time of it but before today Flintoff had never had a knock against Australia, Vaughan hasn't for years and Trescothick hadn't for years either. Bell's average going into this series was up around 350, he may not be able to do it against Australia yet but he's had some rippers up at him, give him a chance. Not many batsmen would have survived what he's been up against.
As for today, i can't believe im disappointed with 400. Australia will make 500+ bar a minor miracle, it is a batsmans dream. We had a chance to really get into the drivers seat and we had to rely on some impressive tail-batting (how wrong does that sound?) to get us into the game again. Our bowlers really need to take the game by the neck here or we could be blasted away."
Also:
"what exactly is the point of Geraint Jones?
I know i may sound like a broken wicket but his performances don't really change. He's the only batsman/wicket keeper who can't bat or catch. He averages one dropped catch every 1.5 games, i can't remember the last time he even reached 50 and he is generally a complete waste of space. Read may not be as good a batsman as him but all he needs to do is reach 10 an innings to be achieving more than the English Welshman. Read, Prior, christ get Russell in there if it means getting Jones out, he's costing us more runs a game than he's earning. "
Sums up how i feel.
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 4, 2005 18:24:54 GMT
Agree with you Dan. They've stuck with Giles, Tresco, Vaughan and Butcher for long enough so they should with Bell too.
Par on this wkt is 450. We really hsould've topped 500. Warne was brilliant again and today has proved that the Aussies will struggle without Warne and McGrath. They'll be praying that McGrath is back for Trent Bridge.
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 6, 2005 0:37:53 GMT
We must make 300 in this innings and set a target of 400+. This match is clearly illustrating how the Ashes will return home once Warne and McGrath retire.
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 6, 2005 19:00:04 GMT
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by newham on Aug 6, 2005 20:38:14 GMT
game, set and match
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Post by DaveE on Aug 7, 2005 18:59:59 GMT
I ran around at work when I saw Jones catch them out with just 2 runs to spare. Not sure who it was that was caught out, but to be honest, I don't care because we won the 2nd test Now its off to Manchester before the cricketing world reaches Nottingham (I have my ticket for day two wooooo )
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Post by girdeaux on Aug 7, 2005 19:02:10 GMT
Great game of cricket!
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 7, 2005 19:15:20 GMT
So this is how we win the Ashes: Ideally McGrath and/or Warne get an injury,All our key bowlers work as a unit,Giles is effective at bogging down an end,Trescothick and Strauss can put on decent opening stands,Vaughan can return to his Ashes form, Bell stays calm, KP is brought into the team and fires,Freddy needs to be massive,Jones can catch the ball,GBH must lead the attack, Hayden is in great nick but he has a bad record in England,Target Ponting,Clarke is vulnerable, They rely on Gilly to bail them out of trouble,Smash Lee early if he plays so he is dropped, Kasper is nothing special,Warne and McGrath are only human. We probably need to win at Edgbaston as OT will favour their spinners. TB tends to be a good batting track and a draw here would be a top result. If we can be 1-1 going to The Oval then anything is possible! So far I seem to be pretty good on the predictions. Yes we've won but I doubt we would have if GM had been fit. I also believe we'd have won at Lords if GM had missed that Test. The Aussies are really going to struggle when McGrath and Warne retire. Sadly the next Test is at OT. They'll drop Gillespie for McGill and will bat first if they win another toss. Batting first is very important to us as Warne and McGill will be a real handful as the match proceeds. OT is the one ground where they won't miss GM so much. If only this match was being played at Leeds! The forecast is for decent weather this week so I can't see this being a draw. If we do get to bat first then we certainly can win. McGill is rusty and does give away a lot more buffet balls than Warne. They'll only have two seamers so agressive batting could put Ponting in a pickle. Our bowlers will basically have to perform like they did at Edgbaston. If Hoggard doesn't start taking some wkts and G Jones scoring some runs then they should be dropped. Vaughan scoring a run or two would be nice too.
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 7, 2005 19:19:24 GMT
So this is how we win the Ashes: Ideally McGrath and/or Warne get an injury,All our key bowlers work as a unit,Giles is effective at bogging down an end,Trescothick and Strauss can put on decent opening stands,Vaughan can return to his Ashes form, Bell stays calm, KP is brought into the team and fires,Freddy needs to be massive,Jones can catch the ball,GBH must lead the attack, Hayden is in great nick but he has a bad record in England,Target Ponting,Clarke is vulnerable, They rely on Gilly to bail them out of trouble,Smash Lee early if he plays so he is dropped, Kasper is nothing special,Warne and McGrath are only human. We probably need to win at Edgbaston as OT will favour their spinners. TB tends to be a good batting track and a draw here would be a top result. If we can be 1-1 going to The Oval then anything is possible! So far I seem to be pretty good on the predictions. Yes we've won but I doubt we would have if GM had been fit. I also believe we'd have won at Lords if GM had missed that Test. The Aussies are really going to struggle when McGrath and Warne retire. Sadly the next Test is at OT. They'll drop Gillespie for McGill and will bat first if they win another toss. Batting first is very important to us as Warne and McGill will be a real handful as the match proceeds. OT is the one ground where they won't miss GM so much. If only this match was being played at Leeds! The forecast is for decent weather this week so I can't see this being a draw. If we do get to bat first then we certainly can win. McGill is rusty and does give away a lot more buffet balls than Warne. They'll only have two seamers so agressive batting could put Ponting in a pickle. Our bowlers will basically have to perform like they did at Edgbaston. If Hoggard doesn't start taking some wkts and G Jones scoring some runs then they should be dropped. Vaughan scoring a run or two would be nice too.
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Post by newham on Aug 7, 2005 21:52:39 GMT
What an amazing weekend! Forest win in the third last minute and England win with only three needed to lose!
I'd keep it as it is at Old Trafford, MacGill may come in but he's not in the same class as Warne and isn't in the best of form at the moment either. I really can't see them dropping Gillespie though, he's become part of the Aussie 'old guard' much like England had in the 90's. It would be harsh to drop Kasprovicz (sp?) based on his performance at Edgbaston too. Hell, this may all be immaterial, McGrath may be back from what i've heard.
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 8, 2005 1:14:33 GMT
GM's swelling hasn't even gone down yet. He may be struggling to make TB according to smh. Warne can't wait to get to his happy hunting ground. They won't worry about dumping Dizzy. They dropped Ian Healy and Mark (the forgotten) Waugh and never showed any sentiment and were ready to dump Steve (Tugga) Waugh as player and captain until he saved himself by scoring a ton at Sydney. We give guys like Thorpe, Stewart and Atherton farewell tours whereas they abandon their weak like something out of Wildlife on One!
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 8, 2005 19:11:26 GMT
Brett Lee has gone yo hospital with a suspected knee infection and is a doubt for the third Ashes Test on Thursday.
MacGill, Shane Watson or Shaun Tait may be called up. Watson provides them with a third seamer and is still a very useful bat.
Possible line-up: Hayden, Langer, Ponting, Martyn, Clarke, Gilly, Watson, Warne, Lee, MacGill, Gillespie.
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Post by newham on Aug 11, 2005 15:54:04 GMT
Wow, day starts badly with the news that Lee and McGrath are playing but England currently stand on 280-2! Vaughan unbeaten on 170-odd and Bell on 30.
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Post by Thomas Elliott on Aug 11, 2005 21:37:43 GMT
A good first day, could have done without losing Pieterson when we did, but tomorrow we start with two recognised batsmen and have Jones to come next. I think a total of 400+ is acceptable and will set up this test nicely!! Big well done to skipper too!! A great knock from him, and Bell seems to have settled well, just hope he and Freddie can add a good hundred or more!!
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 12, 2005 0:10:46 GMT
A good first day, could have done without losing Pieterson when we did, but tomorrow we start with two recognised batsmen and have Jones to come next. I think a total of 400+ is acceptable and will set up this test nicely!! Big well done to skipper too!! A great knock from him, and Bell seems to have settled well, just hope he and Freddie can add a good hundred or more!! I agree with Vaughan that 450 is really a minimum target on this track. We really could do with 500 and we may struggle to get them. Going into this match I was sure Freddy would flop as he'd struggle to live up to the hype. I hope I'm wrong. It's asking a lot for Fred and Bell to see of the new ball. Maybe G Jones will finally deliver. Great to see Vaughan and Bell come good. Vaughan rode an awful amount of luck as he should've been caught twice and bowled once AND run out to boot! I hope this turns his form around. Bell proved me right. He's going to be some player for us for years to come. We need a hundred run lead after the 1st inns. It looks like this match might be a draw as it forecast to rain all day on Sat.
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 12, 2005 17:57:26 GMT
Another hopeless performance by the Oz batters. We ended up 50 short again but the Aussies just keep throwing their wkts away.
The weather forecast is for the rain to clear Manchester tomorrow pm so we should definately not enforce any follow-on. If we have a 150 lead then we should look to bat sensibly tomorrow afternoon and set the Aussies 400 on Sunday afternoon. Hopefully they'll continue to shoot themselves in the foot.
I don't know why Clark's back is hurting him. It is Shane Warne is carrying the Aussies on his back!
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