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Post by k19k on May 28, 2005 10:03:21 GMT
do you think england have got a good chance of winning the ashes?
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Post by Cooke#19 on May 28, 2005 10:08:07 GMT
not really no, even though the probable win today against Bangladesh will boost their confidence. I just hope that neither Harmison or Jones get injured. Bring on the Aussies!! ;D I'll be there at Trent Bridge cheering the England boys on!! woooooooo!!! ;D
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Post by Soozie on May 28, 2005 16:23:24 GMT
No, I don't think they have a good chance, but I do think they will put up a good fight! 54 Days to go!
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Post by Cooke#19 on Jun 2, 2005 15:48:28 GMT
No, I don't think they have a good chance, but I do think they will put up a good fight! 54 Days to go! Counting down... deary me Suzie how sad even I'm not that bad!
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Post by newham on Jun 3, 2005 14:26:13 GMT
No chance? What are you on? We've not had a better chance for years. We've got the best young bowling attack in the world, we've got some fantastic front-line batsmen and for the first time in a while, we really do have some class as back-up. We've got a fantastic captain and we've lost 0 tests in the last 2 years.
Personally, i think the Aussies should be running scared, we're awesome.
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Post by Cooke#19 on Jun 3, 2005 18:12:19 GMT
Yes, but they're still the best team in the world and we're second. I think we have a better chance than we've had in a while though ;D Come on Vaughany lead 'em well! ;D
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 4, 2005 1:50:24 GMT
No chance? What are you on? We've not had a better chance for years. We've got the best young bowling attack in the world, we've got some fantastic front-line batsmen and for the first time in a while, we really do have some class as back-up. We've got a fantastic captain and we've lost 0 tests in the last 2 years. Personally, i think the Aussies should be running scared, we're awesome. LMAO! We have more chance of losing 5-0 then we do of winning the Ashes. Tres: Good form but McGrath believes he'll chew him up due to his poor foot movement. Strauss: out of form thanks to Fletcher and Vaughan's incompetent tactics. They messed him about in the 1 dayers in SA and he's never recovered. Well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Vaughan: One hot year has been followed by modest form against poor opposition. A dreadful skipper who believes thrashing Bangladesh will scare the Aussies! Yeah right. We should've batted first and made the match more competitive so it was a TEST match. And by not enforcing the follow-on guys like Strauss and Thorpe could have had a chance to find some form. Bell: Excellent cricketer. He should've played 15 tests by now. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Thorpe: Poor form for 6 months now. He's quitting England this year and so should be dumped. Just like Australia dumped the far more talented Mark Waugh. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Freddy: Quality player. Shame he's not batted v Bangladesh and has bowled very little. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Jones: A wicketkeeper who struggles to catch the ball. One dropped chance v the Aussies will be very expensive. And he's nothing special with the bat. The fact that he's really an Australian will fire up McGrath and co. He won't be playing by the time we reach The Oval. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Giles: He's had a good year. Quicks: No complaints. Head-to-head how many of our guys would make their team? Hayden v Tres = Hayden Langer v Strauss = Langer Ponting v Vaughan = Ponting Martyn v Bell = Martyn Clarke v Thorpe = Clarke Katich v Freddy = Freddy Gilly v Anybody = Gilly Warne v Giles = dumb question Kasper/Lee v S Jones = K/L Gillespie v GBH = too close to call McGrath v Hoggy = see Warne v Giles! I've seen a lot of Australia these last two years and only India and Sri Lanka [in Sri Lanka] have tested them. Only India could stop the Aussies from winning and that took exceptional batting from an Indian batting line-up that is light-years more talented than England's. Oh, and Warne and McGrath missed that series. When they returned for the tour of India Australia won. An England team of Tres, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell, KP, Freddy, Read/Prior, Swann, Jones, GBH and Hoggard might stand a chance in Australia when the likes of Warne, Gilly and McGrath are 18 months older. But not now. I've got tix for Thurs and Sunday at Trent Bridge and I'd expect Australia to have retained the Ashes before then. Sadly Fletcher and Vaughan wasted 2 years of matches against weak opposition to blood a new team in time for this Summer. Did I say 2 years of matches v weak opposition. Forgive me, we did play one tough series. Away in Sri Lanka. Murali made mincemeat of us and we were lucky to escape with a 1-0 series loss. A few weeks later Australia went to Sri Lanka. They took on Murali rather than treat every delivery like a hand-grenade. The result? 3-0 to Australia in a dog-fight of a series. An ominous warning for what lies ahead. Thanks to Vaughan and Fletcher!
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Post by k19k on Jun 4, 2005 11:36:24 GMT
No chance? What are you on? We've not had a better chance for years. We've got the best young bowling attack in the world, we've got some fantastic front-line batsmen and for the first time in a while, we really do have some class as back-up. We've got a fantastic captain and we've lost 0 tests in the last 2 years. Personally, i think the Aussies should be running scared, we're awesome. its nice to see some one and not just me are confident about england winnig the ashes. with steve harmison and freddie flintoff we'll smash those australians for six. by the way since andrew strauss has been playing for england he hasnt lost a test match and he wont want to give that up easily. lp
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Post by Big Dave Steeler on Jun 4, 2005 12:00:23 GMT
So sunbeam, who would you have to replace Vaughn and Fletcher, who have obviously killed the team, through that posting If im honest, I think it will go down to the final test all square (2-2, 1-1, 0-0) and then the aussies will nick it at the end. However, forgetting the pesemistic approach from Sunbeam (and I too have watched a lot of the Aussies) I do think there are areas in which the Aussies can be outdone. Look at Smith (SA), who had a belter of a series against us on 2003, comes into last winters series in decent form, and could hardly play against Hoggard who was getting it to swing into the left-hander, who is earning his place amongst the top 10 bowlers in the world. Both the Aussies openers are left handed and I honestly think that there is one of the Key battles of the series. With GBH holding his own at the other end, Im not sure that the Aussie openers will have it as easy as they have done. Lets also look at the opening bowling attacks from the past home ashes series, and lets look at this years. 2001 Gough Caddick White Butcher 2005 Hoggard Harmison Jones Flintoff IMO, there is a more rounded attack in this years team, which can compete with there attack. All I hope for is a competitive series!!
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 4, 2005 13:27:53 GMT
its nice to see some one and not just me are confident about england winnig the ashes. with steve harmison and freddie flintoff we'll smash those australians for six. by the way since andrew strauss has been playing for england he hasnt lost a test match and he wont want to give that up easily. lp Two things: 1, Strauss is out of form; 2, Yes he has lost. Versus SA last Winter.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 4, 2005 13:35:09 GMT
So sunbeam, who would you have to replace Vaughn and Fletcher, who have obviously killed the team, through that posting If im honest, I think it will go down to the final test all square (2-2, 1-1, 0-0) and then the aussies will nick it at the end. However, forgetting the pesemistic approach from Sunbeam (and I too have watched a lot of the Aussies) I do think there are areas in which the Aussies can be outdone. Look at Smith (SA), who had a belter of a series against us on 2003, comes into last winters series in decent form, and could hardly play against Hoggard who was getting it to swing into the left-hander, who is earning his place amongst the top 10 bowlers in the world. Both the Aussies openers are left handed and I honestly think that there is one of the Key battles of the series. With GBH holding his own at the other end, Im not sure that the Aussie openers will have it as easy as they have done. Lets also look at the opening bowling attacks from the past home ashes series, and lets look at this years. 2001 Gough Caddick White Butcher 2005 Hoggard Harmison Jones Flintoff IMO, there is a more rounded attack in this years team, which can compete with there attack. All I hope for is a competitive series!! I'd have replaced Fletcher with Moody or Greg Chappell. I'd now be talking to Rod Marsh and asking him to stay. Failing that I think Steve Waugh would be an interesting pick. I wanted Tres as skipper. Hoggard is in poor form and is really struggling. He is also less likely to get the ball to swing in late Summer when the Ashes will be played. Warney will be turning it sideways on those dry wickets. We can already write off the Test at Old Trafford as Warney will collect 10 wickets in that match! ps And it would seem England have CHEATED to take the 1st Bangladeshi wicket today. Shameful.
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Post by newham on Jun 4, 2005 19:35:53 GMT
LMAO! We have more chance of losing 5-0 then we do of winning the Ashes. Tres: Good form but McGrath believes he'll chew him up due to his poor foot movement. Strauss: out of form thanks to Fletcher and Vaughan's incompetent tactics. They messed him about in the 1 dayers in SA and he's never recovered. Well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Vaughan: One hot year has been followed by modest form against poor opposition. A dreadful skipper who believes thrashing Bangladesh will scare the Aussies! Yeah right. We should've batted first and made the match more competitive so it was a TEST match. And by not enforcing the follow-on guys like Strauss and Thorpe could have had a chance to find some form. Bell: Excellent cricketer. He should've played 15 tests by now. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Thorpe: Poor form for 6 months now. He's quitting England this year and so should be dumped. Just like Australia dumped the far more talented Mark Waugh. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Freddy: Quality player. Shame he's not batted v Bangladesh and has bowled very little. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Jones: A wicketkeeper who struggles to catch the ball. One dropped chance v the Aussies will be very expensive. And he's nothing special with the bat. The fact that he's really an Australian will fire up McGrath and co. He won't be playing by the time we reach The Oval. Again, well done Vaughan and Fletcher! Giles: He's had a good year. Quicks: No complaints. Head-to-head how many of our guys would make their team? Hayden v Tres = Hayden Langer v Strauss = Langer Ponting v Vaughan = Ponting Martyn v Bell = Martyn Clarke v Thorpe = Clarke Katich v Freddy = Freddy Gilly v Anybody = Gilly Warne v Giles = dumb question Kasper/Lee v S Jones = K/L Gillespie v GBH = too close to call McGrath v Hoggy = see Warne v Giles! I've seen a lot of Australia these last two years and only India and Sri Lanka [in Sri Lanka] have tested them. Only India could stop the Aussies from winning and that took exceptional batting from an Indian batting line-up that is light-years more talented than England's. Oh, and Warne and McGrath missed that series. When they returned for the tour of India Australia won. An England team of Tres, Strauss, Vaughan, Bell, KP, Freddy, Read/Prior, Swann, Jones, GBH and Hoggard might stand a chance in Australia when the likes of Warne, Gilly and McGrath are 18 months older. But not now. I've got tix for Thurs and Sunday at Trent Bridge and I'd expect Australia to have retained the Ashes before then. Sadly Fletcher and Vaughan wasted 2 years of matches against weak opposition to blood a new team in time for this Summer. Did I say 2 years of matches v weak opposition. Forgive me, we did play one tough series. Away in Sri Lanka. Murali made mincemeat of us and we were lucky to escape with a 1-0 series loss. A few weeks later Australia went to Sri Lanka. They took on Murali rather than treat every delivery like a hand-grenade. The result? 3-0 to Australia in a dog-fight of a series. An ominous warning for what lies ahead. Thanks to Vaughan and Fletcher! You're just another bloke who's scared of the Aussies... Nah, thrashing Bangladesh won't scared the Aussies but a series victory in South Africa (something the Aussies only just matched), a whitewash series against NZ (something the Aussies couldn't match) and a whitewash series against the Windies (something the Aussies didn't do as easily as we did) might just put the willies up them. So McGrath believes that he will get Tresco a lot, great stuff. There's nothing like over-confidence to get us into the box-seat. The Aussies believe they're invincible, they are most certainly not. They are an arrogant, aging, moody side who do not like losing. If we get the upper hand early on we will beat them. We have the best young team in the world. We have the number one all-rounder in the world. We have the former number one fast bowler in the world who has just come back into form. We have team spirit, something the Aussies are clearly lacking. Shane Warne - I've just returned from Notts vs Hampshire and Warne had a blinder. From a potential 20 wickets in the game, Warne picked up.......1 and that was a number 11 under huge pressure. Bear in mind that this is one of the pitches that he will have to play on this summer. You my friend are quite possibly the most negative and cynical England fan i have met for a long while. We have an awesome chance of beating them. We're playing in front of a passionate crowd with a fantastic batting line-up and a fantastic bowling attack. The Australians are getting old and extremely complacent. Oh, if India are the only ones capable of holding the Aussies, why aren't they number two in the world?
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 5, 2005 11:18:25 GMT
You're just another bloke who's scared of the Aussies... Nah, thrashing Bangladesh won't scared the Aussies but a series victory in South Africa (something the Aussies only just matched), a whitewash series against NZ (something the Aussies couldn't match) and a whitewash series against the Windies (something the Aussies didn't do as easily as we did) might just put the willies up them. Australia have battered SA home and away, in both forms of the game. They only didn't whitewash NZ because of the rain. And the Aussies dismissed WI with ease. So McGrath believes that he will get Tresco a lot, great stuff. There's nothing like over-confidence to get us into the box-seat. The Aussies believe they're invincible, they are most certainly not. They are an arrogant, aging, moody side who do not like losing. If we get the upper hand early on we will beat them. They don't like losing. Who does? That's why they don't lose. We have the best young team in the world. We have the number one all-rounder in the world. We have the former number one fast bowler in the world who has just come back into form. We have team spirit, something the Aussies are clearly lacking. Freddy has a long way to go before he catches Kallis: Kallis: 93 matches, 7337 runs, 56.87 average, 22 tons, 183 wickets, 6/54 best, 31.60 average, 89 catches. Fred: 46 matches, 2239 runs, 32.44 average, 4 tons, 115 wkts, 5/58 best, 33.86 average, 31 catches. The first thing Fred needs to do is get his batting average above his bowling average! GBH was never in reality the best quickie in the world. Just like Vaughan wass never the best batter. To comapre Vaughan to Lara, Kallis, Dravid, Ponting etc is just laughable. Shane Warne - I've just returned from Notts vs Hampshire and Warne had a blinder. From a potential 20 wickets in the game, Warne picked up.......1 and that was a number 11 under huge pressure. Bear in mind that this is one of the pitches that he will have to play on this summer. So? 35 wkts this season at an average of 21.5. No player has more wkts than him this season. The guy is sheer class. You my friend are quite possibly the most negative and cynical England fan i have met for a long while. We have an awesome chance of beating them. We're playing in front of a passionate crowd with a fantastic batting line-up and a fantastic bowling attack. The Australians are getting old and extremely complacent. You sound like wone of those happy-clappers Daniel! So how many of our players would make their team? How many of our batsman are better than their's. Awesome batting line-up? It could've been if it had been assembled 12 months earlier. Oh, if India are the only ones capable of holding the Aussies, why aren't they number two in the world? Because whilst we have been beating the mighty WI home and away India have been taking on OZ home and away. When's the last time England beat India at home? Or away? The same can be said about Sri Lanka. We've beaten dross. When we go to India this Winter we'll btruggle. Australia went to India and won. Nobody goes to India and wins! Bangladesh have just smashed 316 at over 4 an over which shows we've got a long way to go. As Liverpool have just shown, anything is possible in sport. There is a reason why Australia are 2/5 and England 10/3 at the bookies.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 5, 2005 11:33:42 GMT
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 5, 2005 11:34:07 GMT
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Post by Soozie on Jun 5, 2005 14:33:31 GMT
Counting down... deary me Suzie how sad even I'm not that bad! I only just noticed this... It's not sad! I'm just excited! But more nervous now. If our bowlers perform well, and our bastmen stay in form, we do have a good chance. But i think the Aussie's will win. Sorry
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 15, 2005 18:09:09 GMT
Somerset just beat Australia.
B Lee 4.0 0 26 0 G D McGrath 10.0 0 49 2 M S Kasprowicz 8.0 0 89 0 S R Watson 8.5 0 72 1 M J Clarke 10.0 0 63 1 M E K Hussey 6.0 0 41 2
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So this is how we win the Ashes:
Ideally McGrath and/or Warne get an injury, All our key bowlers work as a unit, Giles is effective at bogging down an end, Trescothick and Strauss can put on decent opening stands, Vaughan can return to his Ashes form, Bell stays calm, KP is brought into the team and fires, Freddy needs to be massive, Jones can catch the ball, GBH must lead the attack, Hayden is in great nick but he has a bad record in England, Target Ponting, Clarke is vulnerable, They rely on Gilly to bail them out of trouble, Smash Lee early if he plays so he is dropped, Kasper is nothing special, Warne and McGrath are only human.
We need some luck and a lot of momentum going into the series. We have the momentum so far. We mustn't lose at Lords. The Aussies expect to win there so a decent performance will worry them.
We probably need to win at Edgbaston as OT will favour their spinners. TB tends to be a good batting track and a draw here would be a top result. If we can be 1-1 going to The Oval then anything is possible!
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 15, 2005 18:22:24 GMT
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Post by Soozie on Jun 15, 2005 21:16:50 GMT
We Will Win ;D
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 23, 2005 18:21:06 GMT
You're just another bloke who's scared of the Aussies... So McGrath believes that he will get Tresco a lot, great stuff. There's nothing like over-confidence to get us into the box-seat. If we're going to have a prayer this Summer then Strauss and Tres are going to have to sort out a way of playing McGrath and Lee. Vaughan can handle them if he can re-find his form but we can't keep exposing our middle-order to the new ball.
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Post by sunbeam on Jun 26, 2005 2:01:58 GMT
This shouldn't really be connected to this thread but of course it could have a big bearing on the Ashes. For the sake of Warney, his wife and kids, I hope it is not permanent.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 17, 2005 19:45:36 GMT
Mark Waugh gave his rundown on both team's strengths and weaknesses: AUSTRALIA LANGER Strengths: Extremely resilient, consistent player who has got Australia off to many good starts with aggressive stroke play. Weaknesses: Can be suspect to the in-swinger and is a big lbw chance. HAYDEN S: Powerful, imposing figure who can dominate off front or back foot. W: Has lost a bit of confidence shown by his indecisive footwork. PONTING S: Great stroke player who scores very quickly all around the wicket. Excellent catcher. W: Can become unbalanced early and plays across his front pad to full straight balls. MARTYN S: Classic stroke player who times the ball beautifully with little fuss. W: Lack of footwork can bring him undone on seaming wickets. CLARKE S: Powerful shot maker with a cricket brain beyond his years. Very quick scorer when he gets on a roll, and excellent fieldsman. W: Can be vulnerable on wickets with a bit of movement because of loose footwork and poor shot selection. Not much experience against quality fast bowling. KATICH S: Good, tough, no-nonsense player who puts a high price on his wicket. W: Rigid style with strong bottom hand grip. Slow wickets may trouble him as he hits at the ball too early. GILCHRIST S: Excellent keeper and matchwinner with the bat. W: Hits a lot of balls in the air and sometimes tries to hit every ball to the boundary. WARNE S: Has a psychological hold on most English batsmen, great accuracy and durability in all conditions. W: Can be testy if attacked by a batsman and things don't go his way. LEE S: Fit, strong and fresh, bowls at extreme pace and can swing old and new ball. Matchwinner on his day. W: Too many no-balls could cost him wickets. Action can get a little flat, leading to poor line and length. GILLESPIE S: At best when hitting the seam with deceptive pace and accuracy. W: Has lost a little pace and confidence. Sloppy wrist action results in varied line and length. McGRATH S: Consistent, challenges batsmen and gets wickets in all conditions. W: Not many, but probably lacks a yard of pace on slow wickets. Can get a little testy under pressure. KASPROWICZ S: Lion-hearted performer who can do the donkey work. Hits deck hard. W: Lacks real pace and doesn't have the same aura as the other quicks. ENGLAND TRESCOTHICK Strengths: Free-scoring batsman who accumulates runs quickly and plays spin particularly well. Weaknesses: No footwork, struggles against seam and swing. STRAUSS S: Strong square of the wicket, confident after good start to Test career. W: Plays from the crease, struggles to get forward and drive. Untested in elite company. VAUGHAN S: Class player who has score on the board against Australia. W: Nicks a lot of balls, unsure where off-stump is, captaincy too bland. BELL S: Solid, compact player who is unknown to the Aussies. W: Has not faced the pressure and intimidation that he will this week. PIETERSEN S: Self-confident and quick scorer, not afraid to take the bowling on. W: Suspect technique and a big ego to keep in check. FLINTOFF S: Powerful all-rounder with bat or ball and excellent slips fieldsman, could be matchwinner. W: Lacks patience and footwork with the bat and can get carried away with bowling too short. GERAINT JONES S: Gutsy, resilient keeper-batsman. W: Not the best gloveman I've seen, drops too many balls and still finding his feet as a Test keeper. GILES S: A consistent performer who is able to tie up an end for his captain. W: Doesn't turn the ball enough to worry top batsmen, and can get too defensive with his tactics. HOGGARD S: Genuine, lively swing bowler. W: Will be punished if he can't swing. HARMISON S: Pace and bounce like the top West Indian bowlers of the '80s and '90s. W: Inconsistency and can he remain fit enough and mentally strong enough to do it for five Tests? SIMON JONES S: Can swing the ball at a very lively pace, will run in all day. W: Skidding, flat style of bowler who tends to over-pitch. TREMLETT S: Tall bowler with lots of bounce. W: Inexperienced.
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 20, 2005 13:05:28 GMT
England team: Trescothick, Strauss, Vaughan (capt), Bell, Pietersen, Flintoff, G Jones, Giles, Hoggard, S Jones, Harmison bbc
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 20, 2005 13:12:39 GMT
Warne to retire soon?: SMH
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Post by sunbeam on Jul 20, 2005 17:59:45 GMT
So here's my two pennies worth: If we win the toss we must bat! And then the first session is vital. If Tresco and Strauss fall early then I fear the worse. If we're bowling then we must breakthrough in the first hour. If the Aussies get off to a flier then history tells us we're in for a long series. I remember Martin McMcague getting smacked for four of the very first ball down under and it was downhill all the way after that. Australia to have retained the Ashes before the Trent Bridge Test. Fingers crossed, hope for the best. I hope I'm wrong and Daniel is telling me he told me so.
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