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Post by ted on Aug 16, 2006 11:24:54 GMT
he looks up to the 8 foot lumberjackthat lives in the woods....
This guy is a comedy genius!
That ghost story is amazing!
The guy is great!
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Post by MP on Aug 16, 2006 11:41:41 GMT
In my opinion games will run smoother and be higher scoring if the top players are allowed to play the game as it was intended. Zero tolerance as I understand it will reduce the amount of clutch and grad style hockey that was on the increase in the EIHL. If you try and reduce/remove the fighting aspect of the game you are reducing a key aspect of the game for alot of fans including myself. No one turns up to see players get gragged to the ice, hooked and slashed all night but alot of people like a good old ruck. I cant imagine anything better than a close high scoring game between two teams with a couple of fights thrown in. For me the fighting rules need to be strict, ie 5 min major for first fight then 5 + game for second if the same two players fight each other again. BUT if we go down the route of a game penalty every time the gloves come off we're going to lose a hell of a lot of passion and excitement. Spot on Craig. That's just the way I hope they'll implement the rules this season. That approached worked well in the NHL last season - let's hope it can be made to work here too. I'm not a fan of figthing in hockey but it does have a place in the game - as long as it's not allowed to get out of hand.
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Post by Steelersmith on Aug 16, 2006 13:53:05 GMT
In his interview he said he doesnt go out looking for a fight but if he needs to stick up for teammates he will. I think you guys are underestimating this guy, he will be a really asset to the team I can see him but up 40-50ish points. You dont just lose goalscoring like he had in his junior years he was just in a totally different role than he will be here. There he was an out and out enforcer here he wont be that he will be getting more icetime and will be looked upon to score points and I think he will.
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Post by belak on Aug 16, 2006 13:56:16 GMT
So this is the guy being hyped up by Sheffield?
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Post by sunbeam on Aug 16, 2006 14:05:00 GMT
In my opinion games will run smoother and be higher scoring if the top players are allowed to play the game as it was intended. Zero tolerance as I understand it will reduce the amount of clutch and grad style hockey that was on the increase in the EIHL. If you try and reduce/remove the fighting aspect of the game you are reducing a key aspect of the game for alot of fans including myself. No one turns up to see players get gragged to the ice, hooked and slashed all night but alot of people like a good old ruck. I cant imagine anything better than a close high scoring game between two teams with a couple of fights thrown in. For me the fighting rules need to be strict, ie 5 min major for first fight then 5 + game for second if the same two players fight each other again. BUT if we go down the route of a game penalty every time the gloves come off we're going to lose a hell of a lot of passion and excitement. Spot on Craig. That's just the way I hope they'll implement the rules this season. That approached worked well in the NHL last season - let's hope it can be made to work here too. I'm not a fan of figthing in hockey but it does have a place in the game - as long as it's not allowed to get out of hand. Clutch and grab doesn't put bums-on-seats. Fighting does. Therefore fighting shall remain. Whether it should or not is moot but ice hockey won't ban it. The guy looks a good addition. But then the same can be said for just about every player signed by every team.
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Post by Rich on Aug 16, 2006 15:07:19 GMT
I think he'll be good for sheff (Ignoring the spin)
I had to laugh at the interview with matsos tho, hes building a united dressing room?! Hmmm going by a couple of the guys hes signed (I wont name names) I think thats hilarious!
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Post by barnsleyfan on Aug 16, 2006 15:14:50 GMT
I think you guys are underestimating this guy, he will be a really asset to the team I can see him but up 40-50ish points. You dont just lose goalscoring like he had in his junior years he was just in a totally different role than he will be here. There he was an out and out enforcer here he wont be that he will be getting more icetime and will be looked upon to score points and I think he will. Don't expect much do you SS?! I'd be expecting someone like Tessier with stats up in the fifties or sixties but not this guy! 20 will do me nicely...(bearing in mind he's got to regain his 25 minute a game fitness, which definitely won't come overnight!). I think the 40-50 points might come from the other wing!
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Post by P.G.F.I. on Aug 16, 2006 15:19:49 GMT
Steelersmith every signing in the Elite League is a great signing to you.
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Post by madmarc on Aug 16, 2006 15:26:31 GMT
What about the "Zero-tolerate" that the Elite is harping on about recently...
Should be interesting match!
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Post by gazzathedevil on Aug 16, 2006 15:30:24 GMT
What about the "Zero-tolerate" that the Elite is harping on about recently... Should be interesting match! Look how many AHL games Clouthier played in the AHL last season, a much faster league which also implemented Zero tolerence he should have no problem!
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Post by thunder2 on Aug 16, 2006 15:38:16 GMT
Judging by comments on here about this mans fighting ability and his lack of good stats haven't we spelled his name wrong? Shouldn't it be Cloth Ear? heheheh
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Post by NevesMetro on Aug 16, 2006 15:46:05 GMT
I think you guys are underestimating this guy, he will be a really asset to the team I can see him but up 40-50ish points. You dont just lose goalscoring like he had in his junior years he was just in a totally different role than he will be here. There he was an out and out enforcer here he wont be that he will be getting more icetime and will be looked upon to score points and I think he will. Don't expect much do you SS?! I'd be expecting someone like Tessier with stats up in the fifties or sixties but not this guy! 20 will do me nicely...(bearing in mind he's got to regain his 25 minute a game fitness, which definitely won't come overnight!). I think the 40-50 points might come from the other wing! TBH I think that if your only getting 120-130 points out of your top line then you're going to struggle. I expect the likes of Belfast and Coventry to be getting 180 out of their top lines. I think that if you are to compete then you'll need Tess to get 70, Clouthier 35 and the new guy 55 (If that is you're top line of course) but it's all guess work and that's the best bit of the off-season
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Post by barnsleyfan on Aug 16, 2006 15:58:02 GMT
TBH I think that if your only getting 120-130 points out of your top line then you're going to struggle. I expect the likes of Belfast and Coventry to be getting 180 out of their top lines. I think that if you are to compete then you'll need Tess to get 70, Clouthier 35 and the new guy 55 (If that is you're top line of course) but it's all guess work and that's the best bit of the off-season Point taken. I can't see us struggling for goals this season. What with the Brits being able to chip in a lot more than those of the previous seasons (Hill and Phillips) and with two more spots to fill with hopefully high scoring forwards. It's just you don't find your scoring streak straight from playing the enforcing role, no matter how good you were in juniors. It's going to take him quite a few weeks to adjust and wrap up a few points I reckon. He wasn't signed to score say 50+ points as a top line forward, any would be a bonus. 20-30 wouldn't be bad for an enforcer! ;D
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Post by gazzathedevil on Aug 16, 2006 16:05:54 GMT
It's just you don't find your scoring streak straight from playing the enforcing role, no matter how good you were in juniors. It's going to take him quite a few weeks to adjust and wrap up a few points I reckon. He wasn't signed to score say 50+ points as a top line forward, any would be a bonus. 20-30 wouldn't be bad for an enforcer! ;D Thats exactly what you should be looking at from an Enforcer, Brad Voth was the top points scoring Enforcer in the league last season and he came away with 28 points for the season which when you consider his penalty minutes were 340 is a very decent return. I'll be honest i would be a lot more comfortable with clouthier in my team than i would with Shmyr who's stats seem to suggest he has struggled in the 2nd and 3rd tier in North America. Clouthier has some genuinely decent Junior Stats and has made a career in the AHL. And when going to the ECHL has roughly a point every other game.
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Post by Adam on Aug 16, 2006 16:10:29 GMT
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Post by Shorty on Aug 16, 2006 16:12:32 GMT
If he is afraid of ghosts, who is going to be first in the queue to tell him that Nottingham's arena is built over an old cemetry and that they had to exhume a number of skeletons when it was first built?
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Post by messier1851 on Aug 16, 2006 16:37:59 GMT
This guy seems to be crazy mental...
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Post by Heanor Lair on Aug 16, 2006 18:41:42 GMT
In his interview he said he doesnt go out looking for a fight but if he needs to stick up for teammates he will. I think you guys are underestimating this guy, he will be a really asset to the team I can see him but up 40-50ish points. You dont just lose goalscoring like he had in his junior years he was just in a totally different role than he will be here. There he was an out and out enforcer here he wont be that he will be getting more icetime and will be looked upon to score points and I think he will. SS, some of the best players to ever grace the EIHL have failed to make 50 points. I don't wish to dampen yer enthusiasm but this guy will not make 50 points. Sorry Regards HL
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Post by Heanor Lair on Aug 16, 2006 18:43:04 GMT
If he is afraid of ghosts, who is going to be first in the queue to tell him that Nottingham's arena is built over an old cemetry and that they had to exhume a number of skeletons when it was first built? ;D ;D
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2006 18:49:06 GMT
So the king of spin is at it again then, Simms says `very skilled player` ummm 6 points in 72 games , thats garbage even for a fighter, he ll obviously come with a bad reputation and will spend many mins sitting it out.
Seems another player after Donkey Darby is winging his way to sheffield who looks a serious liability
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Post by niceasey on Aug 16, 2006 19:47:26 GMT
So the king of spin is at it again then, Simms says `very skilled player` ummm 6 points in 72 games , thats garbage even for a fighter, he ll obviously come with a bad reputation and will spend many mins sitting it out. Seems another player after Donkey Darby is winging his way to sheffield who looks a serious liability Err, does it not occure to you that DS was throwing a red herring?
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Post by Peacock on Aug 16, 2006 19:51:40 GMT
After watching that, I reckon Moran will fancy his chances.
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Post by dp on Aug 16, 2006 20:06:38 GMT
Well if nothing else, them signing him should get the Nottingham-Sheffield rivalry going again a bit. Whatever Moran and Simms build the rivalry up to be, the last 3 or 4 seasons it's been practically non-contact between us two, and, like it or not, that's never going to get the occasional fans coming back or get the atmosphere going like it used to be.
Just been checking on Drop Your Gloves and it's interesting that in 2004-2005 he played 11 games in the ECHL, and had no fights and only 14 PIMs - so presumably wasn't playing the enforcing role. In these 11 games he managed the massive total of 1+1 for 2 points and a -8 rating.
Given that the ECHL is generally considered a similar standard to the EIHL, even if Steelers are asking him to play less of an out and out enforcer role, this doesn't indicate he'll be getting many points - certainly not on 50 points and in the top 10 points scorers in the league!
I also thought it was quite interesting that he hasn't even dressed for a single play off game since Junior hockey! Wonder why this could be? Surely if he can play as well as fight, then his coaches would have played him and just told him to "keep a lid on it". Doesn't add up to me.
To be fair to Sheffield though - they've every right to hype him up because they need to sell tickets. He might end up to be a turkey, but I can absolutely guarantee that one of the players we Panthers fans are getting excited about will do as well!
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Post by gazzathedevil on Aug 16, 2006 20:45:21 GMT
So the king of spin is at it again then, Simms says `very skilled player` ummm 6 points in 72 games , thats garbage even for a fighter, he ll obviously come with a bad reputation and will spend many mins sitting it out. Seems another player after Donkey Darby is winging his way to sheffield who looks a serious liability Looks just as much a liability as Shmyr though doesnt he? only the stats of Clouthier show he has played at a much higher level for a much longer time! Who knows when the season starts shmyr might show the British hockey scene he is ten times the player but from what i have to work on now i would take Clouthier.
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Post by spuzz on Aug 16, 2006 20:58:13 GMT
I get the feeling there may be a big difference in cost between Shmyr and Clouthier so Gazza for the simple role of enforcing wouldn't you rather have a cheaper option and go for a more expensive goal scorer
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