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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 31, 2023 15:34:30 GMT
Michaud has taken to twitter:
Bjorkung has also expressed his support.
Unfortunately the big accounts pushing this seem to be mostly right wing American grifters, very transparently with racist intent. Pretty horrible stuff. The fact that at times there were more tweets about Petgrave than Johnson tells you how much they really care.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 17:24:34 GMT
Called by the arena this afternoon to lay flowers, lovely memorial. Very moving.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 31, 2023 17:41:26 GMT
What’s the story on the Gofundme for his partner and family? I hear there is one set up and the Panthers are looking to start one too?
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Post by Yotes on Oct 31, 2023 17:47:00 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 31, 2023 18:42:01 GMT
That's very bad news if the first page wasn't set up with good intentions
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 19:03:12 GMT
There's been a update. Westin Michaud has confirmed it's genuine and Laura has been in touch with the family . I think they plan to merge this one with the one the panthers are going to set up
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Post by blackpanther2011 on Oct 31, 2023 19:20:17 GMT
There's been a update. Westin Michaud has confirmed it's genuine and Laura has been in touch with the family . I think they plan to merge this one with the one the panthers are going to set up I saw and read that too, A lovely gesture. I will be donating when all is set up. the only game I saw Adam in was against the devils a few weeks ago and he was fantastic as were the whole team, Still slowly coming to terms and I urge the true hockey fans to not interact with the vile trolls as they aren't worth the time or effort. remember we are here for everyone and have to stand as ONE community. We will learn from this and hopefully things like this can be prevented from happening in the future. It will take time but for now stay strong everyone and stay united ^_^
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 31, 2023 19:43:50 GMT
There's been a update. Westin Michaud has confirmed it's genuine and Laura has been in touch with the family . I think they plan to merge this one with the one the panthers are going to set up I saw and read that too, A lovely gesture. I will be donating when all is set up. the only game I saw Adam in was against the devils a few weeks ago and he was fantastic as were the whole team, Still slowly coming to terms and I urge the true hockey fans to not interact with the vile trolls as they aren't worth the time or effort. remember we are here for everyone and have to stand as ONE community. We will learn from this and hopefully things like this can be prevented from happening in the future. It will take time but for now stay strong everyone and stay united ^_^ Yes we will be doing that too. ASAP hopefully
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 31, 2023 20:30:02 GMT
That's very bad news if the first page wasn't set up with good intentions She quickly updated the page to say she hadn't wanted to bother his family whilst they were grieving but had been in touch with his partner's family from the get go and would be transferring the money by whatever route his family preferred when the time was right. So it sounds like she has approached his partner's family to lighten the burden on Adam's family. But, either way, I'll wait for a link from the team before making my donation
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Post by humbucker on Oct 31, 2023 21:20:35 GMT
On the subject of neck protection, junior hockey players in the uk do wear neck protection but to what age of that I am uncertain. Perhaps someone has that information to hand?
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 31, 2023 21:39:23 GMT
On the subject of neck protection, junior hockey players in the uk do wear neck protection but to what age of that I am uncertain. Perhaps someone has that information to hand? I think it's under 20s
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 31, 2023 21:56:48 GMT
On the subject of neck protection, junior hockey players in the uk do wear neck protection but to what age of that I am uncertain. Perhaps someone has that information to hand? I think it's under 20s Well,all Nottingham under 20s have to wear them at least. Matt Bradbury mentioned it in a radio interview this evening.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 31, 2023 21:59:58 GMT
That's very bad news if the first page wasn't set up with good intentions She quickly updated the page to say she hadn't wanted to bother his family whilst they were grieving but had been in touch with his partner's family from the get go and would be transferring the money by whatever route his family preferred when the time was right. So it sounds like she has approached his partner's family to lighten the burden on Adam's family. But, either way, I'll wait for a link from the team before making my donation With apologies for cross-posting but thought it would be good for people to know the merged Memorial Fund page is now live....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 8:19:21 GMT
I see ex pros Sean Avery, Chris Thieren and Cam Janssen have had their say...
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Post by bobness on Nov 1, 2023 19:11:47 GMT
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 1, 2023 20:57:00 GMT
Not least as they add insult to injury as some of the t-shirts are using the tribute picture created by one of the fans. I believe scum is an appropriate word. Natalie did say she'd be willing to sell prints with all proceeds going to the family but something tells me she probably doesn't know anything about these
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Post by blackandgold73 on Nov 1, 2023 21:52:23 GMT
I know everything is still raw with this But I think we need to start the discussion about mandating the use of neck guards and protection in all levels of hockey. There has to be some learning from this tragedy. I was watching an nhl game last night and all I could look at was the neck areas that are so exposed Just want it out there Stay strong all x One of the lead articles in the sport section of today's Guardian is on the impact of Adam's death and the ongoing neck guard debate. It's a good read. Especially about the culture of not wearing them in the NHL, and possible changes. This paragraph brought me up cold: "In 2020, Moritz Seider, now with the Detroit Red Wings, was playing in Sweden when a neck guard saved him from a potentially horrific skate laceration. Three years later, the dynamic NHL defenceman goes without one" But this one, in a different way: "In all that time, only two NHL players wore neck coverings of any kind. One was Tomas Plekanec, whose turtleneck earned him ridicule. The other was Wayne Gretzky" www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/01/adam-johnsons-death-makes-ice-hockey-face-up-to-games-dangers
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 1, 2023 22:45:52 GMT
I know everything is still raw with this But I think we need to start the discussion about mandating the use of neck guards and protection in all levels of hockey. There has to be some learning from this tragedy. I was watching an nhl game last night and all I could look at was the neck areas that are so exposed Just want it out there Stay strong all x One of the lead articles in the sport section of today's Guardian is on the impact of Adam's death and the ongoing neck guard debate. It's a good read. Especially about the culture of not wearing them in the NHL, and possible changes. This paragraph brought me up cold: "In 2020, Moritz Seider, now with the Detroit Red Wings, was playing in Sweden when a neck guard saved him from a potentially horrific skate laceration. Three years later, the dynamic NHL defenceman goes without one" But this one, in a different way: "In all that time, only two NHL players wore neck coverings of any kind. One was Tomas Plekanec, whose turtleneck earned him ridicule. The other was Wayne Gretzky" www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/01/adam-johnsons-death-makes-ice-hockey-face-up-to-games-dangersAnd that brings us back to my first post on the subject. Is it for adults to make their own choices? After all the attention this has received. The pain many have spoken about. The tributes from well known names. Hardly any, if any NHL players have worn one since. Standing under a stunning tribute to AJ there were 40+ players without one on. If they dont choose to wear one now, im not sure they ever will. So the dangers are clear, they know the risks, they also know how often this has actually happened before. Do you leave it in their hands. If it were as simple as their life, their choice then yes, i'd let them decide. What has swayed me regards a possible mandate however is the impact on those who are around it. The wider impact on others. I cant see the NHL mandating it as the players union will get to decide. Those players that will decide via the union are the ones out there still not wearing one.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2023 8:13:28 GMT
One of the lead articles in the sport section of today's Guardian is on the impact of Adam's death and the ongoing neck guard debate. It's a good read. Especially about the culture of not wearing them in the NHL, and possible changes. This paragraph brought me up cold: "In 2020, Moritz Seider, now with the Detroit Red Wings, was playing in Sweden when a neck guard saved him from a potentially horrific skate laceration. Three years later, the dynamic NHL defenceman goes without one" But this one, in a different way: "In all that time, only two NHL players wore neck coverings of any kind. One was Tomas Plekanec, whose turtleneck earned him ridicule. The other was Wayne Gretzky" www.theguardian.com/sport/2023/nov/01/adam-johnsons-death-makes-ice-hockey-face-up-to-games-dangersAnd that brings us back to my first post on the subject. Is it for adults to make their own choices? After all the attention this has received. The pain many have spoken about. The tributes from well known names. Hardly any, if any NHL players have worn one since. Standing under a stunning tribute to AJ there were 40+ players without one on. If they dont choose to wear one now, im not sure they ever will. So the dangers are clear, they know the risks, they also know how often this has actually happened before. Do you leave it in their hands. If it were as simple as their life, their choice then yes, i'd let them decide. What has swayed me regards a possible mandate however is the impact on those who are around it. The wider impact on others. I cant see the NHL mandating it as the players union will get to decide. Those players that will decide via the union are the ones out there still not wearing one. Exactly this, and Mr Gretzky has been discussing the incident overnight as well.
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Post by Discoray on Nov 2, 2023 9:12:25 GMT
And that brings us back to my first post on the subject. Is it for adults to make their own choices? After all the attention this has received. The pain many have spoken about. The tributes from well known names. Hardly any, if any NHL players have worn one since. Standing under a stunning tribute to AJ there were 40+ players without one on. If they dont choose to wear one now, im not sure they ever will. So the dangers are clear, they know the risks, they also know how often this has actually happened before. Do you leave it in their hands. If it were as simple as their life, their choice then yes, i'd let them decide. What has swayed me regards a possible mandate however is the impact on those who are around it. The wider impact on others. I cant see the NHL mandating it as the players union will get to decide. Those players that will decide via the union are the ones out there still not wearing one. There is another aspect to this as well. Under most situations I would agree choice/consultation is absolutely essential, in this specific context I'm not sure we'd get a real representation of all the player's true feelings on this. Given the culture of pro sport and other intangible external pressures players face, especially when they're multimillion pound assets in the higher-up leagues, and such pressures get higher. We often applaud players who get patched-up and carry on playing with nasty facial cuts, losing teeth, even playing with broken bones. When in any other context, we'd say that's a dangerous and foolish risk to take that shouldn't ever be happening. In one of the many resulting media reports from this, we're pointed to an example of an NHL player just this spring in the play-offs needing 70+ stitches after getting a skate blade to their face. They didn't even miss the rest of the game where it happened, they came back to play! This is something that needs to change both within and outwith sport with it's fans. (Also very much not limited to ice hockey.) We've heard in the past of players getting goaded/shamed to keep playing by coach's/peers & just pop pain killers when they had a concussion, being called "soft" or "not a team player" if they don't persist in efforts trying to ice. Sometimes players need to be protected from themselves, and also club staff of a certain mindset, who really need to take off some blinkers, take a step back from their "win at all costs" and dinosaur mantra, when it comes to the matter of player health and safety. Even if the majority of pro players wouldn't be happy about it, this sounds like the time when neck guards will (and should) be required by the rules. It's the next step of evolution in the sport, very akin to when helmets first came in for netminders only, then players, and then visors. I'm sure plenty at the time all those happened weren't too happy, but now they're the norm and I would expect this to be no different in time. While very few things are 100% in life, the bottom line here is this great tragedy has shown the sport currently wasn't doing everything possible to reasonably mitigate this from happening. If a piece of fabric on the neck of players is the price to prevent this happening again, then there's no other course to take, just do it and make it compulsory. Both the loss itself, and subsequent trauma this has caused the sport across the globe makes it a no-brainer, we can't have this happen ever again knowing something could have been done to prevent it.
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Post by Wolves 66 on Nov 2, 2023 9:57:29 GMT
On the subject of neck protection, junior hockey players in the uk do wear neck protection but to what age of that I am uncertain. Perhaps someone has that information to hand? Until the 22/23 season neck guards were mandatory in England for all players under 18 / or still playing in junior leagues. (i.e. if they turned 18 in their final junior season they still had to wear them in junior games, but could choose not to when "playing up" in senior games). Before that season, players of any age could remove the cage, (replaced by a visor,) and ear protection from their helmets and not wear neck guards as soon as they graduated to senior hockey. In the 22/23 season it became mandatory for all under 20 players in EIHA leagues to wear neck guards, ear protection and if they were wearing a visor, (rather than a cage,) a gumshield. It wasn't initially very well enforced last season because it seems that the referees hadn't all been briefed on it, but this season they have been sharper on it. Note - The Elite League is not part of the EIHA so they have different rulesObviously now the EIHA are phasing in mandatory neck guards for all players. I am not aware of any changes to the rules for ear protection or gumshields.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 2, 2023 20:01:17 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Nov 4, 2023 23:57:32 GMT
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Post by buggerlugz on Nov 5, 2023 9:04:22 GMT
Whilst now probably isn't the time I honestly do think there needs to be a proper discussion on what should and should not be allowed on the ice. I've seen so many incidents at Panthers matches which could have easily ended up like this and a game ban is the outcome. Yes its a rough game and yes people get hurt but there is a correct level of professionalism (which in my view should be way higher) that's required from all players.
Taking you're gloves off and resolving a dispute on the ice is acceptable. I've seen far too many incidents where it isn't and far too many things which for some players should have ended up banning them from playing for life.
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Post by Spooks on Nov 5, 2023 11:19:54 GMT
So many incidents that COULD have easily ended up like this ? I am confused to what your point actually is because this is a complete and utter freak occurrence.
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