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Post by bobness on Jun 6, 2023 14:37:45 GMT
Bobness simple question:- Are panthers giving the impression they are doing everything they can to be successful on the ice? And don't dodge it like a crap politician please I have no idea this season yet. There's literally almost no data. And I also don't know how you'd even measure that. You'd probably say it's something to do with signing big time players with great CVs from the AHL. Which is, of course, wholly unlikely. (And "trying" to be successful isn't synonymous with "being" successful.) Early signs are good, though. Two current WC Pool A international players are signed already. And a very useful role player. And my pick for the best D man last year has re-signed.
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Post by bobness on Jun 6, 2023 14:38:56 GMT
A broken clock is only right twice a day. We’ve both been right all day,every day for TEN YEARS. Don’t worry, you’ll learn over time as the barren seasons go by. 😆 Again why so selective with the years. Haven't we established that it's easier to be right about lack of success already? What about before then? What about predicting the successful years? After all we've won more EIHL trophies than anyone else. Surely you predicted that as well then Iggy? All those successful years. When NB was also the owner. At least Pidge came out and said that Corey might be an inspired choice as a coach Iggy. Now that was not placing a safe bet if you remember that summer. So presumably being usually right you predicted all those trophies too? Come on, you know better than to confuse the issue with facts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 14:46:21 GMT
Bobness simple question:- Are panthers giving the impression they are doing everything they can to be successful on the ice? And don't dodge it like a crap politician please I have no idea this season yet. There's literally almost no data. And I also don't know how you'd even measure that. You'd probably say it's something to do with signing big time players with great CVs from the AHL. Which is, of course, wholly unlikely. (And "trying" to be successful isn't synonymous with "being" successful.) Early signs are good, though. Two current WC Pool A international players are signed already. And a very useful role player. And my pick for the best D man last year has re-signed. Which d man was that? Surely not Caruso who probably ended up as the biggest disappointment given his CV. You don't need stats to form a opinion, I've seen more social media posts about flogging stuff rather than on ice business which is what the fan (who cares about winning) is really interested in
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 14:50:40 GMT
Again why so selective with the years. Haven't we established that it's easier to be right about lack of success already? What about before then? What about predicting the successful years? After all we've won more EIHL trophies than anyone else. Surely you predicted that as well then Iggy? All those successful years. When NB was also the owner. At least Pidge came out and said that Corey might be an inspired choice as a coach Iggy. Now that was not placing a safe bet if you remember that summer. So presumably being usually right you predicted all those trophies too? Come on, you know better than to confuse the issue with facts. 3 domestic trophies in 10 years.. 3 out of 30 available... Now that's facts . Is that acceptable for a supposed big club in this league?
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 15:03:14 GMT
A broken clock is right twice a day. It's easy to say Panthers won't win the league/cup/playoffs, because 9 of the 10 teams don't win them. Easy to base what may happen on what historically has. When that then happens, that doesn't make you geniuses. I genuinely sometimes wonder why you're both still "fans". You're correct but come September do you think they'll be a even split on opinion that Belfast or panthers will win the league? NO. Oh for sure no, not least at we all know that success breeds success and it'll be a heck of a lot easier for Giants to recruit than for us based on position. But at least like you say in September it would be a comparison and then we'd be comparing like for like. I think you and I would both agree that right now any prediction based in June with so little signing knowledge is essentially just playing the numbers. I suspect neither of us would place a bet on any team to win the league now with so little information available about all the squads right now. But I think we'd both be significantly more comfortable placing a bet on a team not winning because the odds of that are so much greater that even with no information it wouldn't be much of a risk
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Post by bobness on Jun 6, 2023 15:19:33 GMT
I have no idea this season yet. There's literally almost no data. And I also don't know how you'd even measure that. You'd probably say it's something to do with signing big time players with great CVs from the AHL. Which is, of course, wholly unlikely. (And "trying" to be successful isn't synonymous with "being" successful.) Early signs are good, though. Two current WC Pool A international players are signed already. And a very useful role player. And my pick for the best D man last year has re-signed. Which d man was that? Surely not Caruso who probably ended up as the biggest disappointment given his CV. You don't need stats to form a opinion, I've seen more social media posts about flogging stuff rather than on ice business which is what the fan (who cares about winning) is really interested in Yep, Caruso. The best full-time D man +/- for the season. (That's how I generally measure D-men) The rest were eminently forgettable/underwhelming. Whatever your CV is, you play how you play. Funny, when you don't do social media, you see far less crap, and get less wound up by it. Genuinely, what do you expect? If they tweeted "We're working really hard on getting the best players for this season" with a photo of Pacha and Paredes on the phone at 3am, you'd just say it was propaganda. Do you expect them to name players they're talking to? Don't forget, there currently isn't even any ice in the arena, that's how imminent an issue it is just yet.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Jun 6, 2023 15:23:49 GMT
Come on, you know better than to confuse the issue with facts. 3 domestic trophies in 10 years.. 3 out of 30 available... Now that's facts . Is that acceptable for a supposed big club in this league? Presumably you're excluding 19-20 when no league or playoff title was awarded and the 20-21 "series" as it wasn't an EIHL full league season of all the teams? To make all 10 years equal and with 3 trophies available (unlike 19-21) So by my reckoning 10 EIHL full league years would therefore take us back to 2011-12 season. Yes? In that case, I make the trophy count: 10 of 30 for Giants 8 of 30 for Panthers 7 of 30 for Cardiff 4 of 30 for Squeelers, 1 of 30 for Blaze Admittedly our place in the table feels worse because you have to go back to 2015-16 for our last. Giants dominance is more evident in the last 5 years winning 8 of 15 trophies. I don't think our performance of the last five full years has been good enough for sure, and I'd normally argue that stability helps breeds consistency and progress - and we've definitely not had stability in the past five years.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 17:19:16 GMT
Come on, you know better than to confuse the issue with facts. 3 domestic trophies in 10 years.. 3 out of 30 available... Now that's facts . Is that acceptable for a supposed big club in this league? NO it isn’t. Especially in a league where realistically (until last year with Guildford rising) only four teams had any realistic chance of winning anything.
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 17:24:27 GMT
3 domestic trophies in 10 years.. 3 out of 30 available... Now that's facts . Is that acceptable for a supposed big club in this league? Presumably you're excluding 19-20 when no league or playoff title was awarded and the 20-21 "series" as it wasn't an EIHL full league season of all the teams? To make all 10 years equal and with 3 trophies available (unlike 19-21) So by my reckoning 10 EIHL full league years would therefore take us back to 2011-12 season. Yes? In that case, I make the trophy count: 10 of 30 for Giants 8 of 30 for Panthers 7 of 30 for Cardiff 4 of 30 for Squeelers, 1 of 30 for Blaze Admittedly our place in the table feels worse because you have to go back to 2015-16 for our last. Giants dominance is more evident in the last 5 years winning 8 of 15 trophies. I don't think our performance of the last five full years has been good enough for sure, and I'd normally argue that stability helps breeds consistency and progress - and we've definitely not had stability in the past five years. The Giants have done the last couple of years exactly what Panthers failed to do after 2012/13. Wonder what the trophy count is since 2003 or whenever it was the EIHL started ?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 18:06:04 GMT
Update..
Stephen Anderson returns lol
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 6, 2023 18:07:12 GMT
Update.. Stephen Anderson returns lol 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OMFG!
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Post by allingtonskates on Jun 6, 2023 18:07:56 GMT
Clubs content with failure.
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Post by Yotes on Jun 6, 2023 18:16:25 GMT
He did at least seem to be trying at the end of last season, but yes I was expecting an upgrade. Suppose it depends how far down the lines he ends up.
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Post by pantherlee on Jun 6, 2023 18:19:01 GMT
Jesus wept. I thought he’s was worst forward we’ve had since Raphael Bussieres
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Post by TjPanther on Jun 6, 2023 18:25:19 GMT
fact they've brought back anyone from last year is a joke, maybe only levin would be the exception
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 18:31:45 GMT
And people still seem to be happy they've brought perennial failures back. 🤣.. obviously happy with their 7th place finish
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Post by wgray on Jun 6, 2023 18:34:58 GMT
Another returnee then. He picked it up in the 2nd half of the season after a dreadful start and scored a few goals in the end, he wasn’t afraid to stand up for himself or teammates either and he was a good skater.
I’m not disappointed that he’s returned as I think he’ll fit the supposedly speedy style that Paredes wants to play. Apart from Jones and Levin there should be no other players returning from last years team IMO
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 18:36:26 GMT
Won't get Levin back, he'll want a payrise which Freddie won't allow !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jun 6, 2023 19:29:19 GMT
Spend pretty much the entire season with much of the fan base wanting to gas Anderson, and then the puppet Pasha signs him for a second year! You really couldn't make it up to be honest. Nottingham Panthers, the biggest rink team in the EIHL.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Jun 6, 2023 19:33:36 GMT
Won't get Levin back, he'll want a payrise which Freddie won't allow ! I doubt Anderson will have taken a pay cut to return, not this early in the off season. If he'd been offered less money he'd surely have waited until he was sure no better offer was forthcoming. I'm pleased he's back, as long as he's not expected by club and fans to be a major points contributor. As JP says, he can move up and down the lineup.
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Post by bobness on Jun 6, 2023 19:34:40 GMT
Charitably, 8 points in his last 8 league games. Uncharitably, 16 in his first 44.
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Post by chucka1 on Jun 6, 2023 19:46:57 GMT
Probably happy to finish off his university course.
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Post by yeti on Jun 6, 2023 20:04:55 GMT
He better come back and In the frame of mind he was in the last couple of months of the season. I along with many wanted him gassing before Christmas as he was appalling. He then picked it up and was a decent 3rd line player in the last couple of months.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2023 20:28:34 GMT
And that's all he is a 3rd liner..
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Post by iginla on Jun 6, 2023 21:04:55 GMT
Pmsl....Brassard next then ! 🤣🤣🤣🙈
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