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Post by Discoray on Dec 14, 2022 10:34:05 GMT
Yes yes,good for the little teams to win a few games A reminder that without us "little teams" there's no league. Doubt playing Sheffield/Cardiff/Belfast 20 times a year in a 4 team league would quite cut it. although ISL teams would walk all over what you’re watching these days. And if my granny had wheels she'd be a wagon. Down at the NIC it must be like going to a fancy expensive restaurant for what should be a slap up quality meal,getting served a cold McDonald’s happy meal then continuing to go back there again and again Sounds like bad management to me.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 14, 2022 10:51:11 GMT
Doubt playing Sheffield/Cardiff/Belfast 20 times a year in a 4 team league would quite cut it. Don't worry, he'd be able to complain about that too. He already does. We shouldn't need to spend a penny more than Guildford to be within spitting distance of them. Blaming the wage cap for preventing us outspending them just seems to absolve poor recruitment.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 14, 2022 11:03:50 GMT
Yes yes,good for the little teams to win a few games A reminder that without us "little teams" there's no league. Doubt playing Sheffield/Cardiff/Belfast 20 times a year in a 4 team league would quite cut it. although ISL teams would walk all over what you’re watching these days. And if my granny had wheels she'd be a wagon. Down at the NIC it must be like going to a fancy expensive restaurant for what should be a slap up quality meal,getting served a cold McDonald’s happy meal then continuing to go back there again and again Sounds like bad management to me. i enjoy going to the games win or lose. I've supported the team for a long time and watched good and bad seasons but I keep going. I'm disappointed when they don't win, occasionally frustrated at the team or the performance but the next game always offers the chance to be better. to some people, it really is that simple, they don't over think it.
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Post by bobness on Dec 14, 2022 11:50:42 GMT
Doubt playing Sheffield/Cardiff/Belfast 20 times a year in a 4 team league would quite cut it. Don't worry, he'd be able to complain about that too. He already does. We shouldn't need to spend a penny more than Guildford to be within spitting distance of them. Blaming the wage cap for preventing us outspending them just seems to absolve poor recruitment. And/or coaching issues. 64 AHL games in the Flames roster, 55 of them in 1 player. 697 in Panthers roster.
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Post by iginla on Dec 14, 2022 12:04:30 GMT
Doubt playing Sheffield/Cardiff/Belfast 20 times a year in a 4 team league would quite cut it. Don't worry, he'd be able to complain about that too. He already does. We shouldn't need to spend a penny more than Guildford to be within spitting distance of them. Blaming the wage cap for preventing us outspending them just seems to absolve poor recruitment. They shouldn’t no,but if you could afford to buy yourself a Porsche why should you have to drive a Skoda just because that’s what your neighbours have got. Anybody who is happy with a wage cap that’s their choice but if they are they should never then complain about a poor signing,having a bang average team or losing games. It’s like settling for something second best (or 4th/5th even) when you could easily have better. Some people will do that,but my choice is different.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 14, 2022 12:32:38 GMT
Why shouldn't they? If 10 teams all spend the same money every week, by your logic of the more you spend, the more you win, shouldn't all teams be playing at about .500?
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Post by kievthegreat on Dec 14, 2022 13:06:14 GMT
How to make things fair in spending is something that can be done in a number of ways.
Take the NHL example, they have hard salary cap (and floor) to try and ensure teams are always competitive, but never blow the rest if the league out of the water.
MLB (Baseball) go a slightly different route, they went down the route if a "luxury tax". Once you pass a certain threshold, you pay a tax to the league for any player salary with 50% of the tax collected being distributed to all teams that don't reach the threshold. It's also an escalating rate, break it in 1 year and you pay 20%, break it for 2 consecutive years and pay 30%, break it for 3 or more consecutive years and pay 50%.
Then you have indirect restrictions in football, where it bases spending restrictions on the clubs wider finances. It's more in tune with trying to reduce unsustainable expenditure rather than fairness though.
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Post by iginla on Dec 14, 2022 13:11:04 GMT
Why shouldn't they? If 10 teams all spend the same money every week, by your logic of the more you spend, the more you win, shouldn't all teams be playing at about .500? In theory if they all spent the same they should all be around .500 but there’s far more to it than that as we all know. Coaches,keeping players,treatment of players,injuries and luck all play a part. But like most things in life as the saying goes “if you pay for quality then you usually get quality,but if you buy cheap then you’ll probably end up buying twice”. I just find it hard to understand why anybody would want to settle for poor quality if they could afford much better,then moan when the cheap stuff breaks.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 14, 2022 14:40:11 GMT
A lot of that wouldn't be wage cap restricted though.
I doubt the coach goes against the cap, so you can spend more there to get a good one (or not), and perhaps some assistants (or not), and I'd imagine well treated players - good housing, good kit, good transport, good food, good injury treatment, good facilities to play/practice in - are easier to retain and will perform better than someone you've mugged off. Again, that's not going to come out of a wage cap.
To use your Skoda analogy, if you run it on premium, you'll get better performance than the bloke next door who can only pay for regular.
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Post by iginla on Dec 14, 2022 15:41:01 GMT
A lot of that wouldn't be wage cap restricted though. I doubt the coach goes against the cap, so you can spend more there to get a good one (or not), and perhaps some assistants (or not), and I'd imagine well treated players - good housing, good kit, good transport, good food, good injury treatment, good facilities to play/practice in - are easier to retain and will perform better than someone you've mugged off. Again, that's not going to come out of a wage cap. To use your Skoda analogy, if you run it on premium, you'll get better performance than the bloke next door who can only pay for regular. Exactly yes you will. From a smaller team and their fans point of view a wage cap is a good thing,but I’m looking at it purely from the view of a big clubs fans. Not that I’m a big club fan now because this is one reason why I walked away,the fact that they didn’t do what the club could have done therefore it gave me a feeling I was being mugged off or sold short. It doesn’t bode well that they had all those seasons with a potential financial advantage over most teams and yet struggled in the league, so it’s no real surprise that now the wage cap is in place and the playing field levelled that the Panthers aren’t even in the top four or five any more !
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 14, 2022 22:28:06 GMT
Flyers beat Stars after ot and ps to qualify for cup SF. Zack Phillips with 3+1 on the night AND the winning penalty shot.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 20, 2022 16:02:40 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 20, 2022 16:10:14 GMT
Something very bad happening there
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Post by wgray on Dec 20, 2022 17:42:29 GMT
Clan have made 19 import signings so far this season, they’re putting Waltz and Boutin on injured reserve so they can make two temporary signings for them but that leaves them with 1 more signing.
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Post by Discoray on Dec 20, 2022 18:59:29 GMT
Clan have made 19 import signings so far this season, they’re putting Waltz and Boutin on injured reserve so they can make two temporary signings for them but that leaves them with 1 more signing. We have a couple more as two of our other signings were also injury cover ones, but regardless it's still a monumental mess. One spark of hope however:
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Post by Yotes on Dec 20, 2022 20:21:03 GMT
Something very bad happening there Is it that they're absolutely terrible and anyone with anything like a better offer is bound to take it? If they can get away from Blacky, they can still count it a successful season.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 20, 2022 21:30:32 GMT
Something very bad happening there Is it that they're absolutely terrible and anyone with anything like a better offer is bound to take it? If they can get away from Blacky, they can still count it a successful season. It looks to me like a team falling apart
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Post by Yotes on Dec 20, 2022 22:00:31 GMT
Maybe Blacky's looking to save a bit on wages for the rest of the season, given it's been a complete bust since about week 4 and, with a bit of luck (for Clan), won't be his problem next year. Hasn't even bothered replacing the coach has he?
LaPorte's done quite well to get a deal elsewhere, doesn't appear to have played for a couple of months.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 21, 2022 7:07:59 GMT
Maybe Blacky's looking to save a bit on wages for the rest of the season, given it's been a complete bust since about week 4 and, with a bit of luck (for Clan), won't be his problem next year. Hasn't even bothered replacing the coach has he? LaPorte's done quite well to get a deal elsewhere, doesn't appear to have played for a couple of months. DEL 2/3??
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Post by bobness on Dec 21, 2022 11:20:58 GMT
Steelers are 11-0-1 away from home this season so far. They have outscored their opponents 58-21 and outshot them 423-373. Greenfield has played in all the 12 games and has a GAA of 1.66 and a SP of 94.64%. Their shooting % of 13.71% is the league's best in away games, and, indeed, all home games too. Outrageous. That said, no away games yet in Nottingham or Belfast.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 11:23:48 GMT
Wasn't Greenfield signed initially as a No2?
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Post by bobness on Dec 21, 2022 11:50:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 11:59:53 GMT
"Hasn't happen yet"? 🤣 The season is over in 12 weeks Ostlund is like Steelers version of mark Lee.. 😭🤣
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Post by bobness on Dec 21, 2022 12:57:40 GMT
"Hasn't happen yet"? 🤣 The season is over in 12 weeks Ostlund is like Steelers version of mark Lee.. 😭🤣 It's a strange one, I'll give it that. Not sure I (or anyone?) even know what's up with him. He must be looking at a first though, he's got no distractions currently...
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Post by bobness on Dec 21, 2022 16:11:30 GMT
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