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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 13, 2022 9:54:51 GMT
Just quickly. Noticeable that all the new imports have Euro experience, which probably isn't coincidence. All look good signings so far, good stats in good leagues. Summers could be a bit of a gamble, but Coughler was apparently done for the season before Devils signed him, and he was OK. Devils especially have a history of excellent signings coming back from injuries. The upside to Summers is high. Also agree that last year's roster looked "alright to pretty good actually" on paper. Good experience in good leagues. For whatever reason, it ended up as a very poor season, in the end. Bottom line is, you can't tell much at all yet. There hasn't really been a "sit up and go wow" signing yet, from anyone, for me. No-one straight out of decent production in DEL/AHL/Liiga etc. That will come, I'm sure, my money is on Belfast doing that. As per usual.. I think it's down to Keefe having exceptional connections Two days running I find myself agreeing with you... Is it you that's changed or me...? I would expect Belfast to bring in some proper AHL experience for sure. Their recruitment last season clearly stood out from the rest, if they repeat that with a settled coach/system then it could be tough to get near them. |
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 13, 2022 10:15:36 GMT
Not quite sure i'm buying in to all the overly positive hype on here with the roster so far. As ever I find myself in the middle ground without any extreme views. I certainly dont think we've made bad signings either. At this point I think the Brit pack has improved for sure, but not wildly in terms of personel. More importantly it's better balanced with what it offers. That mainly down to Fererra adding goals. Our Brit pack in the here and now is likely still 3rd or 4th best. Albeit i'm 100% behind having Hopkins on board now in the hope of keeping him for what he matures in to down the line. Moore v Tetlow. Cant honeslty say I've paid enough atention to Moore to form a real opinion. You could argue we've swapped a GB regular for somebody who doesn't get selected. Hopefully thats more to do with him not being at a fashionable club though. Summers is a prime example of a bit of over excitement for me. Looks like he could be a very good pick up. His NCAA years show how good he was, since then he's ECHL and DEL2. He could be great for us sure, but confident statements like "he will be one of leagues best Dmen" I'm not sure where his history leads to that. Believe me, I hope he is, just dont think it's that WoW a signing. Thats pretty much how I see our roster so far. It's an improvement on last years for sure. Plenty still to sign that will make or break how good this roster is. Am I seeing the quality that convinces me we can compete at the top? Not yet. Well, depends what comes in to fill the gaps around the upgrades we've made. Also yet to see any player come in to play the style of hockey GG promised early on. A good start to recruitment, but we've been here before. Waiting for the last signings to be the WOW ones, only to be dissapointed. But then has their been any wow signings anywhere? No just solid EIHL players but not amazing either. Thats a fair point. Certainly not new to the league signings. Although Cardiff have managed to keep hold of Reid and have Joey Martin returning. They have a fair amount of proven top end EIHL talent. Giants so far have Goodwin and Cooper returning who racked up big points last season. You'd probably argue proven EIHL records trump any other history and stats a player could have. Those 2 teams have less work to do than Panthers to improve clearly and thus why I said we still have work to do to compete. I'd have been pretty WOWd had we managed to get any of those 4. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2022 10:52:17 GMT
As per usual.. I think it's down to Keefe having exceptional connections Two days running I find myself agreeing with you... Is it you that's changed or me...? I would expect Belfast to bring in some proper AHL experience for sure. Their recruitment last season clearly stood out from the rest, if they repeat that with a settled coach/system then it could be tough to get near them. 😂 |
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Post by iginla on Jul 13, 2022 13:15:05 GMT
As per usual.. I think it's down to Keefe having exceptional connections Two days running I find myself agreeing with you... Is it you that's changed or me...? I would expect Belfast to bring in some proper AHL experience for sure. Their recruitment last season clearly stood out from the rest, if they repeat that with a settled coach/system then it could be tough to get near them. It’s Pidge who’s changed mate,he’s gone all poacher/gamekeeper again. He’ll switch back again soon don’t worry. 😂 |
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Post by yeti on Jul 13, 2022 14:16:13 GMT
My feelings exactly. Not a lot to get me really exited yet. Just a good solid start to the team building. A lot will depend on the rest of the mix of the players.
Last years team had some good CV's with players who had played in good leagues. The problem was the balance of the team was just wrong. To many similar players.
It did make me wonder if the Scandinavian leagues had fallen in quality. Wallenberg, Molin ect ect were far better players than the ones I have seen in recent years.
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 13, 2022 14:19:19 GMT
Two days running I find myself agreeing with you... Is it you that's changed or me...? I would expect Belfast to bring in some proper AHL experience for sure. Their recruitment last season clearly stood out from the rest, if they repeat that with a settled coach/system then it could be tough to get near them. It’s Pidge who’s changed mate,he’s gone all poacher/gamekeeper again. He’ll switch back again soon don’t worry. 😂 I think Pidge must take a blue pill the first day of off season then drop a red one day 1 of the new season. Barely a negative word written in months 🤣. A few bad performances and we'll see which Pidge we get. |
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Post by iginla on Jul 13, 2022 15:13:29 GMT
It’s Pidge who’s changed mate,he’s gone all poacher/gamekeeper again. He’ll switch back again soon don’t worry. 😂 I think Pidge must take a blue pill the first day of off season then drop a red one day 1 of the new season. Barely a negative word written in months 🤣. A few bad performances and we'll see which Pidge we get. Haha And I thought it was just me who noticed. 🤣 |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2022 15:46:49 GMT
My feelings exactly. Not a lot to get me really exited yet. Just a good solid start to the team building. A lot will depend on the rest of the mix of the players. Last years team had some good CV's with players who had played in good leagues. The problem was the balance of the team was just wrong. To many similar players. It did make me wonder if the Scandinavian leagues had fallen in quality. Wallenberg, Molin ect ect were far better players than the ones I have seen in recent years. The players being the two Finn's and Hedberg who came in with good CVs and we're a disappointment the other notable one was Welsh which we have retained and was probably the one forward worth retaining.. the likes of lane carozza and the lad from MK I wouldn't really say their CVs were that impressive |
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Post by samjohnson345 on Jul 13, 2022 15:48:05 GMT
Personally very upbeat with the start to recruitment this summer thus far. Think the goalie is the right age and looks to have the right mindset to play a lot of games…happy with those we have kept from last year and delighted with the British additions, very excited about a high point scoring, sought after Brit, coming to us. Thought Summers was an excellent pick up, hopefully comes in with a real point to prove in terms of accessing the top leagues in Europe for 23/24, after having missed last season. Sorensen and Puffer to me look like good, point scoring forwards who have all the pedigree to produce offensively. Keen for us to address problems from previous years and have a couple of players who make it incredibly uncomfortable to play against us in the NIC. I’m not talking hooligans, but a deterrent up front and on the back end gives us real bite. Gagnon and Hunt who are rumoured, would be perfect in my opinion, gives us the right level of toughness without compromising on playing ability, as in their roles they are effective. Mix in that with a couple 1st/2nd line quality and I think we’d be in an excellent position to have a strong, successful but also entertaining season!
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Post by yeti on Jul 13, 2022 16:46:00 GMT
My feelings exactly. Not a lot to get me really exited yet. Just a good solid start to the team building. A lot will depend on the rest of the mix of the players. Last years team had some good CV's with players who had played in good leagues. The problem was the balance of the team was just wrong. To many similar players. It did make me wonder if the Scandinavian leagues had fallen in quality. Wallenberg, Molin ect ect were far better players than the ones I have seen in recent years. The players being the two Finn's and Hedberg who came in with good CVs and we're a disappointment the other notable one was Welsh which we have retained and was probably the one forward worth retaining.. the likes of lane carozza and the lad from MK I wouldn't really say their CVs were that impressive Exactly Pidge, that's what made me wonder about the level of the Scandinavian leagues now. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2022 17:08:16 GMT
Personally very upbeat with the start to recruitment this summer thus far. Think the goalie is the right age and looks to have the right mindset to play a lot of games…happy with those we have kept from last year and delighted with the British additions, very excited about a high point scoring, sought after Brit, coming to us. Thought Summers was an excellent pick up, hopefully comes in with a real point to prove in terms of accessing the top leagues in Europe for 23/24, after having missed last season. Sorensen and Puffer to me look like good, point scoring forwards who have all the pedigree to produce offensively. Keen for us to address problems from previous years and have a couple of players who make it incredibly uncomfortable to play against us in the NIC. I’m not talking hooligans, but a deterrent up front and on the back end gives us real bite. Gagnon and Hunt who are rumoured, would be perfect in my opinion, gives us the right level of toughness without compromising on playing ability, as in their roles they are effective. Mix in that with a couple 1st/2nd line quality and I think we’d be in an excellent position to have a strong, successful but also entertaining season! Agree there |
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Post by bobness on Jul 13, 2022 17:37:52 GMT
My feelings exactly. Not a lot to get me really exited yet. Just a good solid start to the team building. A lot will depend on the rest of the mix of the players. Last years team had some good CV's with players who had played in good leagues. The problem was the balance of the team was just wrong. To many similar players. It did make me wonder if the Scandinavian leagues had fallen in quality. Wallenberg, Molin ect ect were far better players than the ones I have seen in recent years. The players being the two Finn's and Hedberg who came in with good CVs and we're a disappointment the other notable one was Welsh which we have retained and was probably the one forward worth retaining.. the likes of lane carozza and the lad from MK I wouldn't really say their CVs were that impressive Lane's CV was (at face value) very similar to Piccinich's. 200+ games each, 0.56 vs 0.62 PPG scored, in the ECHL, both having cups of coffee in the A. Lane had by far the better, points wise, 20-21 in the same league. For whatever reason, their performance in the EIHL was very different indeed. Carozza scored at nearly a point a game, when he was fit. But hardly the most physical player. I'd argue Baillargeon ("the lad from MK"  ) actually overperformed compared to expectations. The Finns and Hedberg were big (frankly) disappointments. |
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Post by jd on Jul 13, 2022 19:01:09 GMT
Adam Brady it is!
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Post by mattalfuk on Jul 13, 2022 19:01:13 GMT
Adam Brady
Very happy with that one
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Post by Pies on Jul 13, 2022 19:05:44 GMT
A second 25 plus goal scorer from the EIHL last season…it’s almost like there’s a plan
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Post by pantherlee on Jul 13, 2022 19:07:23 GMT
We certainly have a lot more firepower than last season
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Post by jd on Jul 13, 2022 19:09:05 GMT
A second 25 plus goal scorer from the EIHL last season…it’s almost like there’s a plan I know we won’t find out, but would be fascinated to know what the difference is in budget from last season to this one. |
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Jord v4
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Post by Jord v4 on Jul 13, 2022 19:11:46 GMT
Nice signing this, knows the league & puts up points. Great age too.
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Post by Bagheera on Jul 13, 2022 19:17:12 GMT
As I said earlier in the day. Proven EIHL numbers probably trumps all other stats and history for a player.
Great addition.
The statos here may look at both these sites more regular, I tend to just use EP. EliteProspects has him listed as 6ft. HockeyDB 5ft 11in. Is this fairly normal to find differences between the two? If so is one particularly more reliable?
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Post by iginla on Jul 13, 2022 19:30:24 GMT
The players being the two Finn's and Hedberg who came in with good CVs and we're a disappointment the other notable one was Welsh which we have retained and was probably the one forward worth retaining.. the likes of lane carozza and the lad from MK I wouldn't really say their CVs were that impressive Exactly Pidge, that's what made me wonder about the level of the Scandinavian leagues now. Finns and Swedes these days virtually all seem to be disappointing signings,have been for quite a few years. Personally I wouldn’t bother signing any Scandinavians,if they’re not Canadian or American I’d much rather have a Czech/Slovak any day. |
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Post by notts1999 on Jul 13, 2022 19:59:56 GMT
That’s a title winning pack of Centres imo
Sorenson
Welsh
Brady
Myers
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Post by Pies on Jul 13, 2022 20:46:20 GMT
That’s a title winning pack of Centres imo Sorenson Welsh Brady Myers Watch Brady’s highlights and how many he snaps off from the top of the circle on a face off. Put Myers out to win the draw and let him rip one in. The depth is already scary good |
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Post by Joe on Jul 13, 2022 20:52:14 GMT
That’s a title winning pack of Centres imo Sorenson Welsh Brady Myers Wouldn't surprise me if Sorenson plays on the wing as he was described as being able to play all forward positions when he signed. Also when Myers signed, GG spoke about having his best year in terms of points since 12/13 so I'd be surprised if he put him 4th line with Kelsall and probably Hopkins |
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Post by Jonno on Jul 13, 2022 21:08:09 GMT
Not quite sure i'm buying in to all the overly positive hype on here with the roster so far. As ever I find myself in the middle ground without any extreme views. I certainly dont think we've made bad signings either. At this point I think the Brit pack has improved for sure, but not wildly in terms of personel. More importantly it's better balanced with what it offers. That mainly down to Fererra adding goals. Our Brit pack in the here and now is likely still 3rd or 4th best. Albeit i'm 100% behind having Hopkins on board now in the hope of keeping him for what he matures in to down the line. Moore v Tetlow. Cant honeslty say I've paid enough atention to Moore to form a real opinion. You could argue we've swapped a GB regular for somebody who doesn't get selected. Hopefully thats more to do with him not being at a fashionable club though. Summers is a prime example of a bit of over excitement for me. Looks like he could be a very good pick up. His NCAA years show how good he was, since then he's ECHL and DEL2. He could be great for us sure, but confident statements like "he will be one of leagues best Dmen" I'm not sure where his history leads to that. Believe me, I hope he is, just dont think it's that WoW a signing. Thats pretty much how I see our roster so far. It's an improvement on last years for sure. Plenty still to sign that will make or break how good this roster is. Am I seeing the quality that convinces me we can compete at the top? Not yet. Well, depends what comes in to fill the gaps around the upgrades we've made. Also yet to see any player come in to play the style of hockey GG promised early on. A good start to recruitment, but we've been here before. Waiting for the last signings to be the WOW ones, only to be dissapointed. Exactly this. The annual over positivity of some fans is baffling. Load of ok signing so far…not a stud in sight! |
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Post by wgray on Jul 13, 2022 21:32:01 GMT
Now we’ve got a lot of roster spots filled it’s interesting to read peoples thoughts on line combinations. I think we might be looking at something like this:
Import - Brady - Import
Puffer - Welsh - Ferrara
Import - Sorenson - Import
Kelsall - Myers - Hopkins
Import - Import
Brassard - Summers
Import - Moore
Dubeau
Brit
I think you could play Brady, Welsh or Sorenson on any of the top 3 lines. I recall Graham talking about how he wanted a 3rd line that was horrible to play against, looking at Sorenson’s career and the amount of PIM’s (not astronomical) that he’s taken without being renowned as a fighter, I wonder if he may be a bit of a wind up merchant, our own version of Brendan Connolly if you will.
With Hunt rumoured to be signing I’d to like to see him and Sorenson playing on the 3rd line with a big, physical forward on the RW to compliment them.
We’ve got the buildings of a good team so far but there’s still some big spots to fill on the roster which will be pivotal to our success this season.
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