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Post by wannabe2 on Jan 2, 2022 16:09:27 GMT
Yep and I did think that, what’s wrong with backing your team unlike you. We started the season looking really good and have faded since but still hold 2nd place until Giants claim that, Still plenty of hockey to play and we still have some very good players, but Panthers are lacking in top players, as opposed to having many average ones. But Panthers will probably take the next game between us, as they do very well against us as long as it’s not in the play off semi finals at Nottingham.
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2022 16:58:12 GMT
First thing I’d do is get rid of Doucet and chuck his wage and package into the player budget. Nothing against Doucet but an EIHL team does not need a director of hockey,get rid of him,chuck the £40k or whatever into getting half a dozen better quality top six imports and you’ve improved the team far more than a director of hockey ever will. I don’t want to sound disrespectful but would it be an idea to put Doucet into the general manager role, taking up that wage, then putting the freed up DOH wage into the squad? It makes a lot more sense than paying him to do a job that Wallace could do,I can’t think of anything Doucet could be doing that Wallace couldn’t be. Although as it stands Black will be saving money now by not paying a GM because you can bet he won’t have split Gary’s old wage between the two new part time pretend GM’s. Imagine chucking Doucet’s say £40k ish into the player budget,that’s an extra £1500 a week. Split that between five top end imports to be able to offer them an extra £300 a week each and all of a sudden you’re fishing for players in a different pond ! And....it hasn’t cost Panthers any extra money. For a supposed savvy businessman Neil Black does make some daft choices at times !
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 2, 2022 17:10:24 GMT
Yep and I did think that, what’s wrong with backing your team unlike you. We started the season looking really good and have faded since but still hold 2nd place until Giants claim that, Still plenty of hockey to play and we still have some very good players, but Panthers are lacking in top players, as opposed to having many average ones. But Panthers will probably take the next game between us, as they do very well against us as long as it’s not in the play off semi finals at Nottingham. I'm a realist by nature I'm afraid. I call it for what it often is. Will take your 'predictions' with a worthy pinch of salt in the future.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 2, 2022 18:13:35 GMT
I don’t want to sound disrespectful but would it be an idea to put Doucet into the general manager role, taking up that wage, then putting the freed up DOH wage into the squad? It makes a lot more sense than paying him to do a job that Wallace could do,I can’t think of anything Doucet could be doing that Wallace couldn’t be. Although as it stands Black will be saving money now by not paying a GM because you can bet he won’t have split Gary’s old wage between the two new part time pretend GM’s. Imagine chucking Doucet’s say £40k ish into the player budget,that’s an extra £1500 a week. Split that between five top end imports to be able to offer them an extra £300 a week each and all of a sudden you’re fishing for players in a different pond ! And....it hasn’t cost Panthers any extra money. For a supposed savvy businessman Neil Black does make some daft choices at times ! Anyway, back in the real World... The GM role at Panthers is off ice, no point putting an on ice type in the position. It's actually a very watered down role, to call it a GM position is optimistic.
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2022 18:28:32 GMT
It makes a lot more sense than paying him to do a job that Wallace could do,I can’t think of anything Doucet could be doing that Wallace couldn’t be. Although as it stands Black will be saving money now by not paying a GM because you can bet he won’t have split Gary’s old wage between the two new part time pretend GM’s. Imagine chucking Doucet’s say £40k ish into the player budget,that’s an extra £1500 a week. Split that between five top end imports to be able to offer them an extra £300 a week each and all of a sudden you’re fishing for players in a different pond ! And....it hasn’t cost Panthers any extra money. For a supposed savvy businessman Neil Black does make some daft choices at times ! Anyway, back in the real World... The GM role at Panthers is off ice, no point putting an on ice type in the position. It's actually a very watered down role, to call it a GM position is optimistic. Oh I agree wholeheartedly. They don’t need a GM with all the office staff they’ve got and Black making all the big decisions. So let’s put Doucet and the GM’s wages into the player budget and for the first time in ten years Panthers might just at least challenge for a league title !
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 2, 2022 18:41:22 GMT
Anyway, back in the real World... The GM role at Panthers is off ice, no point putting an on ice type in the position. It's actually a very watered down role, to call it a GM position is optimistic. Oh I agree wholeheartedly. They don’t need a GM with all the office staff they’ve got and Black making all the big decisions. So let’s put Doucet and the GM’s wages into the player budget and for the first time in ten years Panthers might just at least challenge for a league title ! That sounds a far too proactive decision to make to me. How about limiting the budget & 'competing' for the smaller trophies instead?
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2022 18:51:54 GMT
Oh I agree wholeheartedly. They don’t need a GM with all the office staff they’ve got and Black making all the big decisions. So let’s put Doucet and the GM’s wages into the player budget and for the first time in ten years Panthers might just at least challenge for a league title ! That sounds a far too proactive decision to make to me. How about limiting the budget & 'competing' for the smaller trophies instead? That’s been the current MO for years. Wait until the league is gone,usually by early January,then bolster the roster a bit to try win the cup or play offs and all the happy clappers will be well pleased. 🙄
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 2, 2022 20:31:26 GMT
That sounds a far too proactive decision to make to me. How about limiting the budget & 'competing' for the smaller trophies instead? That’s been the current MO for years. Wait until the league is gone,usually by early January,then bolster the roster a bit to try win the cup or play offs and all the happy clappers will be well pleased. 🙄 Providing you do bring home the cups that would be a successful formula. Corey was rather underrated.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 2, 2022 21:25:38 GMT
This is all heading towards disaster unless black realises he has to do something to improve crowds . Is black deluded enough to think he'll get good crowds watching a eihl basement team? First thing I’d do is get rid of Doucet and chuck his wage and package into the player budget. Nothing against Doucet but an EIHL team does not need a director of hockey,get rid of him,chuck the £40k or whatever into getting half a dozen better quality top six imports and you’ve improved the team far more than a director of hockey ever will. When it was announced that Doucet was to be DOH I had high hopes that this would be a good move but I’ve done a complete 180 on this. The weird thing is with NB under financing the team so badly then why have Doucet there at all? He’s either knowing that he’s in a no win situation knowing that the team budget is way too low or he’s just clueless. Why not just trouser his wage? For all of his bleeding the club dry there is also a level of incompetence too? I don’t care what anyone says, Wallace is the worst coach in the league by a long way unless you are an old mate needing a job. The new GM worries me even more as he isn’t even any good at the job he was originally hired for. The whole thing looks like a money grab to me before the whole thing comes to an end but the Doucet thing has me confused.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2022 21:56:59 GMT
First thing I’d do is get rid of Doucet and chuck his wage and package into the player budget. Nothing against Doucet but an EIHL team does not need a director of hockey,get rid of him,chuck the £40k or whatever into getting half a dozen better quality top six imports and you’ve improved the team far more than a director of hockey ever will. When it was announced that Doucet was to be DOH I had high hopes that this would be a good move but I’ve done a complete 180 on this. The weird thing is with NB under financing the team so badly then why have Doucet there at all? He’s either knowing that he’s in a no win situation knowing that the team budget is way too low or he’s just clueless. Why not just trouser his wage? For all of his bleeding the club dry there is also a level of incompetence too? I don’t care what anyone says, Wallace is the worst coach in the league by a long way unless you are an old mate needing a job. The new GM worries me even more as he isn’t even any good at the job he was originally hired for. The whole thing looks like a money grab to me before the whole thing comes to an end but the Doucet thing has me confused. How does the whole thing come to a end?
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2022 22:01:04 GMT
First thing I’d do is get rid of Doucet and chuck his wage and package into the player budget. Nothing against Doucet but an EIHL team does not need a director of hockey,get rid of him,chuck the £40k or whatever into getting half a dozen better quality top six imports and you’ve improved the team far more than a director of hockey ever will. When it was announced that Doucet was to be DOH I had high hopes that this would be a good move but I’ve done a complete 180 on this. The weird thing is with NB under financing the team so badly then why have Doucet there at all? He’s either knowing that he’s in a no win situation knowing that the team budget is way too low or he’s just clueless. Why not just trouser his wage? For all of his bleeding the club dry there is also a level of incompetence too? I don’t care what anyone says, Wallace is the worst coach in the league by a long way unless you are an old mate needing a job. The new GM worries me even more as he isn’t even any good at the job he was originally hired for. The whole thing looks like a money grab to me before the whole thing comes to an end but the Doucet thing has me confused. When Wallace and Doucet were announced my first thought was why the hell do we need a DOH and the second was that Neil Black had got the pair of them mixed up and each one in the wrong job. Doucet only ever played in France,the Uk and half a season in Denmark and Italy. Wallace on the other hand played about 100 NHL games, around 400 in the AHL,plus 100 or so in the SHL and 50 in the DEL plus a couple of years in the EIHL. It would seem therefore that the pupil sits over and above the professor which seems rather odd to me. 🤔
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 2, 2022 22:01:15 GMT
When it was announced that Doucet was to be DOH I had high hopes that this would be a good move but I’ve done a complete 180 on this. The weird thing is with NB under financing the team so badly then why have Doucet there at all? He’s either knowing that he’s in a no win situation knowing that the team budget is way too low or he’s just clueless. Why not just trouser his wage? For all of his bleeding the club dry there is also a level of incompetence too? I don’t care what anyone says, Wallace is the worst coach in the league by a long way unless you are an old mate needing a job. The new GM worries me even more as he isn’t even any good at the job he was originally hired for. The whole thing looks like a money grab to me before the whole thing comes to an end but the Doucet thing has me confused. How does the whole thing come to a end? Attendances are way down across a lot of teams anyway, COVID, Planet Ice, social distance restrictions, could be lots of reasons. Doesn't matter how good you are if you have no one to play against.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 2, 2022 22:03:38 GMT
When it was announced that Doucet was to be DOH I had high hopes that this would be a good move but I’ve done a complete 180 on this. The weird thing is with NB under financing the team so badly then why have Doucet there at all? He’s either knowing that he’s in a no win situation knowing that the team budget is way too low or he’s just clueless. Why not just trouser his wage? For all of his bleeding the club dry there is also a level of incompetence too? I don’t care what anyone says, Wallace is the worst coach in the league by a long way unless you are an old mate needing a job. The new GM worries me even more as he isn’t even any good at the job he was originally hired for. The whole thing looks like a money grab to me before the whole thing comes to an end but the Doucet thing has me confused. When Wallace and Doucet were announced my first thought was why the hell do we need a DOH and the second was that Neil Black had got the pair of them mixed up and each one in the wrong job. Doucet only ever played in France,the Uk and half a season in Denmark and Italy. Wallace on the other hand played about 100 NHL games, around 400 in the AHL,plus 100 or so in the SHL and 50 in the DEL plus a couple of years in the EIHL. It would seem therefore that the pupil sits over and above the professor which seems rather odd to me. 🤔 Wasn't it Doucet who hired Wallace?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 2, 2022 22:16:05 GMT
When it was announced that Doucet was to be DOH I had high hopes that this would be a good move but I’ve done a complete 180 on this. The weird thing is with NB under financing the team so badly then why have Doucet there at all? He’s either knowing that he’s in a no win situation knowing that the team budget is way too low or he’s just clueless. Why not just trouser his wage? For all of his bleeding the club dry there is also a level of incompetence too? I don’t care what anyone says, Wallace is the worst coach in the league by a long way unless you are an old mate needing a job. The new GM worries me even more as he isn’t even any good at the job he was originally hired for. The whole thing looks like a money grab to me before the whole thing comes to an end but the Doucet thing has me confused. I assumed the DOH role was what any other club would call the GM. Doing the hiring and firing, of players and coach. GM to us has been an office admin role for years surely? Now they're calling it "Operations", presumably because no one's initials in the office are GM anymore, I'm guessing it's stuff they've been doing for years anyway, largely irrelevant for what happens on ice? My problem with our DOH/Coach setup is there doesn't seem to be that distinction between Doucet (boss) and Wallace (employee), seems to be a team effort to put together this average lot we seem to have assembled, so no one is accountable for any of it, they're almost spoken of as a double act now.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 2, 2022 23:13:38 GMT
When it was announced that Doucet was to be DOH I had high hopes that this would be a good move but I’ve done a complete 180 on this. The weird thing is with NB under financing the team so badly then why have Doucet there at all? He’s either knowing that he’s in a no win situation knowing that the team budget is way too low or he’s just clueless. Why not just trouser his wage? For all of his bleeding the club dry there is also a level of incompetence too? I don’t care what anyone says, Wallace is the worst coach in the league by a long way unless you are an old mate needing a job. The new GM worries me even more as he isn’t even any good at the job he was originally hired for. The whole thing looks like a money grab to me before the whole thing comes to an end but the Doucet thing has me confused. I assumed the DOH role was what any other club would call the GM. Doing the hiring and firing, of players and coach. GM to us has been an office admin role for years surely? Now they're calling it "Operations", presumably because no one's initials in the office are GM anymore, I'm guessing it's stuff they've been doing for years anyway, largely irrelevant for what happens on ice? My problem with our DOH/Coach setup is there doesn't seem to be that distinction between Doucet (boss) and Wallace (employee), seems to be a team effort to put together this average lot we seem to have assembled, so no one is accountable for any of it, they're almost spoken of as a double act now. In the EIHL I would think that the GM's main role nowadays is finding and servicing sponsorship, work permits, etc.
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 2, 2022 23:15:01 GMT
When Wallace and Doucet were announced my first thought was why the hell do we need a DOH and the second was that Neil Black had got the pair of them mixed up and each one in the wrong job. Doucet only ever played in France,the Uk and half a season in Denmark and Italy. Wallace on the other hand played about 100 NHL games, around 400 in the AHL,plus 100 or so in the SHL and 50 in the DEL plus a couple of years in the EIHL. It would seem therefore that the pupil sits over and above the professor which seems rather odd to me. 🤔 Wasn't it Doucet who hired Wallace? Yes, the DOH is in charge of all on ice operations. Wallace answers to him.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 2, 2022 23:31:23 GMT
Wasn't it Doucet who hired Wallace? Yes, the DOH is in charge of all on ice operations. Wallace answers to him. Doucet “The teams playing crap”. Wallace “Yes, you signed them”
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2022 23:41:24 GMT
Wasn't it Doucet who hired Wallace? Yes, the DOH is in charge of all on ice operations. Wallace answers to him. Doing what on ice operations,that the coach couldn’t do himself ? This is where it goes wrong,you could have Wallace wanting to play one way and Doucet another style,then you maybe have Black wanting his “sexy” attacking hockey. All I can see is muddled thinking,conflict and confusion, throw in a poor budget and they wonder why they’ve got problems. I don’t see the other big three EIHL teams employing a DOH and they seem to be doing just fine. The last bloke in the EIHL who had a fancy jumped up job title was Thommo at Steelers and we all know how that ended up !
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 2, 2022 23:55:15 GMT
Yes, the DOH is in charge of all on ice operations. Wallace answers to him. Doing what on ice operations,that the coach couldn’t do himself ? This is where it goes wrong,you could have Wallace wanting to play one way and Doucet another style,then you maybe have Black wanting his “sexy” attacking hockey. All I can see is muddled thinking,conflict and confusion, throw in a poor budget and they wonder why they’ve got problems. I don’t see the other big three EIHL teams employing a DOH and they seem to be doing just fine. The last bloke in the EIHL who had a fancy jumped up job title was Thommo at Steelers and we all know how that ended up ! The model is Doucet signs the players/coaches, Wallace as HC coaches the team and two peeps are currently acting GM's covering the off ice stuff. At 'our' level a DOH seems a little OTT I'd agree but that's the model for now so on we go. I'm not sure exactly where Doucet's wage sits in the figures but as he's technically the same level as the GM position I would have thought it wasn't the on ice players/coaches budget.
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Post by iginla on Jan 3, 2022 0:03:55 GMT
Doing what on ice operations,that the coach couldn’t do himself ? This is where it goes wrong,you could have Wallace wanting to play one way and Doucet another style,then you maybe have Black wanting his “sexy” attacking hockey. All I can see is muddled thinking,conflict and confusion, throw in a poor budget and they wonder why they’ve got problems. I don’t see the other big three EIHL teams employing a DOH and they seem to be doing just fine. The last bloke in the EIHL who had a fancy jumped up job title was Thommo at Steelers and we all know how that ended up ! The model is Doucet signs the players/coaches, Wallace as HC coaches the team and two peeps are currently acting GM's covering the off ice stuff. At 'our' level a DOH seems a little OTT I'd agree but that's the model for now so on we go. I'm not sure exactly where Doucet's wage sits in the figures but as he's technically the same level as the GM position I would have thought it wasn't the on ice players/coaches budget. So Doucet signs the players while Wallace sits with his feet up all summer and then when the season starts Wallace coaches the team whilst Doucet sits with his feet up all season. What a waste of one of them’s wage if that really is the case. My own take on it is,I don’t believe a word of it,they’re a pair of mates who both sign the players between them and then close ranks when it goes tits up.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 3, 2022 0:21:18 GMT
I wish that was the case, so Doucet could either back the team he's put together and find them a new coach (if it's not working), or he could accept his recruitment has gone pear shaped and get his coach some new players (or Blacky could sack him).
Guys like Baillargeon suggest team effort though.
For this one we turned out like an Edinburgh tribute act with 16 players, so whoever's doing it needs to make a few signings quickly.
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Post by iginla on Jan 3, 2022 1:07:57 GMT
I wish that was the case, so Doucet could either back the team he's put together and find them a new coach (if it's not working), or he could accept his recruitment has gone pear shaped and get his coach some new players (or Blacky could sack him). Guys like Baillargeon suggest team effort though. For this one we turned out like an Edinburgh tribute act with 16 players, so whoever's doing it needs to make a few signings quickly. Baillargeon....and Golovgovs. Both ex MK players,unless of course Doucet just happened across them !
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Post by Jord v4 on Jan 3, 2022 8:54:31 GMT
The model is Doucet signs the players/coaches, Wallace as HC coaches the team and two peeps are currently acting GM's covering the off ice stuff. At 'our' level a DOH seems a little OTT I'd agree but that's the model for now so on we go. I'm not sure exactly where Doucet's wage sits in the figures but as he's technically the same level as the GM position I would have thought it wasn't the on ice players/coaches budget. So Doucet signs the players while Wallace sits with his feet up all summer and then when the season starts Wallace coaches the team whilst Doucet sits with his feet up all season. What a waste of one of them’s wage if that really is the case. My own take on it is,I don’t believe a word of it,they’re a pair of mates who both sign the players between them and then close ranks when it goes tits up. Well I doubt it's that simple.... Wallace will have a a say on the players he wanted/wants for sure & Doucet will be very active throughout the season, especially with the replacements rules freshly in place. This is the model the Panthers are currently using, whether it lasts or not given the current performances will be interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2022 8:58:39 GMT
This model ain't working and never will. Get rid of them both and put them out of their misery !
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Post by iginla on Jan 3, 2022 9:03:47 GMT
So Doucet signs the players while Wallace sits with his feet up all summer and then when the season starts Wallace coaches the team whilst Doucet sits with his feet up all season. What a waste of one of them’s wage if that really is the case. My own take on it is,I don’t believe a word of it,they’re a pair of mates who both sign the players between them and then close ranks when it goes tits up. Well I doubt it's that simple.... Wallace will have a a say on the players he wanted/wants for sure & Doucet will be very active throughout the season, especially with the replacements rules freshly in place. This is the model the Panthers are currently using, whether it lasts or not given the current performances will be interesting. Doucet doesn’t seem very active to me throughout the season,I think he needs a new set off batteries because so far he’s found us a young kid who isn’t exactly setting the league on fire and Fournier who’s signing they messed up. Cardiff and Sheffield meanwhile seem to have a fresh set of batteries in place ready to sign replacements within days of needing one and they haven’t even got a “Director of Hockey” ! Remind me,how long have Carozza,Domingue and Lee been missing now ?
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