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Post by Yotes on Nov 30, 2021 11:53:36 GMT
But ultimately Black holds the purse strings Well, one of them at least.
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Post by iginla on Nov 30, 2021 12:23:35 GMT
But ultimately Black holds the purse strings Well, one of them at least. Mmmm...the Bermudan one !!!
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Post by Yotes on Nov 30, 2021 13:12:08 GMT
Yeah, from what I can see that hasn't changed.
I'm sure they're a largely silent partner, so Blacky will control the purse, but however much he shrugged them off in that Chris Ellis interview he did a few years ago that lot still have half the shares in the parent company, and they won't hold that investment for the sake of it.
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Post by bobness on Nov 30, 2021 14:13:44 GMT
That 2013 team nearly wasn't as successful if Ling had signed in Sheffield.. finnerty flew over to Italy to watch him and they both couldn't agree contracts..the rest is in the history books... Didnt he go on record as saying he was too old?
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Post by iginla on Nov 30, 2021 15:54:08 GMT
That 2013 team nearly wasn't as successful if Ling had signed in Sheffield.. finnerty flew over to Italy to watch him and they both couldn't agree contracts..the rest is in the history books... Didnt he go on record as saying he was too old? I seem to recall Finnerty thought Ling was lazy so Steelers didn’t sign him.
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Post by bobness on Nov 30, 2021 15:57:55 GMT
You can afford to be lazy when you can play like that. Inspired signing.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 30, 2021 15:58:50 GMT
That 2013 team nearly wasn't as successful if Ling had signed in Sheffield.. finnerty flew over to Italy to watch him and they both couldn't agree contracts..the rest is in the history books... Didnt he go on record as saying he was too old? Ling wanted a 2 year contract and finner only offered 1 year probably because of his age .I think He made comment that he looked lazy in the game he saw but don't think that was the reason he switched targets
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Post by bobness on Dec 1, 2021 6:43:33 GMT
To be fair, Ling was never winning any awards for being a 2 way player, but when you can be that good going one way, you let the others (I.e. Benedict) do the 2 way stuff. 😇 Ron Shudra said once of his time in Coventry, playing with Mattias Soderstrom “We have an understanding. When the puck goes in Matty’s corner, he fetches it. When the puck goes in my corner, he fetches it too.”
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Post by bobness on Dec 1, 2021 16:29:37 GMT
Norrish I really like. Im not sure this D can afford both him and Brassard. Of the 2 I prefer Norrish. We really need a solid stay at home Dman. Interesting thought re Norrish over Brassard. I've not seen a live game yet this season, but statistically, the 2 are poles apart. In all EIHL games... Brassard is 3+8 (3rd top scorer overall behind Boivin and Welsh), +8 (joint leader), 40 shots. Norrish is 0+6, -3 (joint second worst after Myers' -5) with 56 shots (league leader in "shots without a goal"). Hard to pick Norrish off the hard stats comparison. What's the reasoning? I think you're right, though, the team looks like it needs at least one Lepine/Beckett type D man.
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 1, 2021 16:56:28 GMT
Norrish I really like. Im not sure this D can afford both him and Brassard. Of the 2 I prefer Norrish. We really need a solid stay at home Dman. Interesting thought re Norrish over Brassard. I've not seen a live game yet this season, but statistically, the 2 are poles apart. In all EIHL games... Brassard is 3+8 (3rd top scorer overall behind Boivin and Welsh), +8 (joint leader), 40 shots. Norrish is 0+6, -3 (joint second worst after Myers' -5) with 56 shots (league leader in "shots without a goal"). Hard to pick Norrish off the hard stats comparison. What's the reasoning? I think you're right, though, the team looks like it needs at least one Lepine/Beckett type D man. To be honest it's just his style of play in the games i've seen. I havn't been to as many as usual by this time in a season. I've to approx 5 or 6 games. He looks a very good skater and puck carrier, Werner kind of player. Not looked at the stats at all for these two so it's fair to suggest Brassard is currently doing a better job.
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Post by bobness on Dec 1, 2021 17:06:10 GMT
Interesting thought re Norrish over Brassard. I've not seen a live game yet this season, but statistically, the 2 are poles apart. In all EIHL games... Brassard is 3+8 (3rd top scorer overall behind Boivin and Welsh), +8 (joint leader), 40 shots. Norrish is 0+6, -3 (joint second worst after Myers' -5) with 56 shots (league leader in "shots without a goal"). Hard to pick Norrish off the hard stats comparison. What's the reasoning? I think you're right, though, the team looks like it needs at least one Lepine/Beckett type D man. To be honest it's just his style of play in the games i've seen. I havn't been to as many as usual by this time in a season. I've to approx 5 or 6 games. He looks a very good skater and puck carrier, Werner kind of player. Not looked at the stats at all for these two so it's fair to suggest Brassard is currently doing a better job. Fair enough. The D does look a little unbalanced to me too. 7 games in November, score is 22-28, combined goalie SP% is 86.76%, GAA 3.83, despite outshooting opponents 292 to 205.
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 1, 2021 20:57:27 GMT
To be honest it's just his style of play in the games i've seen. I havn't been to as many as usual by this time in a season. I've to approx 5 or 6 games. He looks a very good skater and puck carrier, Werner kind of player. Not looked at the stats at all for these two so it's fair to suggest Brassard is currently doing a better job. Fair enough. The D does look a little unbalanced to me too. 7 games in November, score is 22-28, combined goalie SP% is 86.76%, GAA 3.83, despite outshooting opponents 292 to 205. The forward lines are so poor that I think up until recently the defence have largely avoided much critisism. The conversation on here this weekend has really highlighted the lack of balance in the D for sure. The forwards do still remain the biggest concern though. Last 5 league games, 11 goals. 3 of those in the win away at Cardiff. Of the 4 home games we've managed just 7 regualtion goals + the OT winner v Dundee. 15 goals conceeded in those 4 games. Outscored more than 2 to 1 at home.
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Post by iginla on Dec 1, 2021 22:41:36 GMT
Fair enough. The D does look a little unbalanced to me too. 7 games in November, score is 22-28, combined goalie SP% is 86.76%, GAA 3.83, despite outshooting opponents 292 to 205. The forward lines are so poor that I think up until recently the defence have largely avoided much critisism. The conversation on here this weekend has really highlighted the lack of balance in the D for sure. The forwards do still remain the biggest concern though. Last 5 league games, 11 goals. 3 of those in the win away at Cardiff. Of the 4 home games we've managed just 7 regualtion goals + the OT winner v Dundee. 15 goals conceeded in those 4 games. Outscored more than 2 to 1 at home. The highest point scorer on Panthers roster in the whole league is Welsh and he is 33rd in the scoring charts. That’s shocking that a club the size of Panthers have nobody who is up there even remotely near the top. They should have two or three in the top dozen !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 1, 2021 22:53:45 GMT
The forward lines are so poor that I think up until recently the defence have largely avoided much critisism. The conversation on here this weekend has really highlighted the lack of balance in the D for sure. The forwards do still remain the biggest concern though. Last 5 league games, 11 goals. 3 of those in the win away at Cardiff. Of the 4 home games we've managed just 7 regualtion goals + the OT winner v Dundee. 15 goals conceeded in those 4 games. Outscored more than 2 to 1 at home. The highest point scorer on Panthers roster in the whole league is Welsh and he is 33rd in the scoring charts. That’s shocking that a club the size of Panthers have nobody who is up there even remotely near the top. They should have two or three in the top dozen ! And when we did have someone who could score for fun with his eyes shut Chernoclue benched him and played him on the 4th line and he was still the league’s top scorer. Underachievers are always the Panthers favourites
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Post by bobness on Dec 2, 2021 9:52:51 GMT
The forward lines are so poor that I think up until recently the defence have largely avoided much critisism. The conversation on here this weekend has really highlighted the lack of balance in the D for sure. The forwards do still remain the biggest concern though. Last 5 league games, 11 goals. 3 of those in the win away at Cardiff. Of the 4 home games we've managed just 7 regualtion goals + the OT winner v Dundee. 15 goals conceeded in those 4 games. Outscored more than 2 to 1 at home. The highest point scorer on Panthers roster in the whole league is Welsh and he is 33rd in the scoring charts. That’s shocking that a club the size of Panthers have nobody who is up there even remotely near the top. They should have two or three in the top dozen ! Several points. Not sure scoring prowess is directly related to the "size" of the club you play for? Twice in the last 7 seasons the league's top scorer has been a Storm player. Panthers have played the fewest games of all league teams bar Clan. It's not how many you score, per se, it's how many you score relative to your opposition. 1-0 gets you the same points as 7-6 or 7-0. Bit like the darts "Scoring for show, doubles for dough". Boivin is 6th in the Cup scoring. (Giants have the top 4. They've still qualified for the quarter finals same as Panthers.) Player with the most shots in the Cup is Ollie. Herr was the first time for years Panthers have had a genuine "league MVP" scoring type player. Last 7 years Panthers top scorer was, overall, 1 (Herr)/22/32/36/7/18/20th in league scoring. Nothing new in Panthers not having a "big scorer" (rightly or wrongly). Like I say, it's not necessarily what you score on its own. Recent years Panthers have scored by committee, but if you set up like that, the D has to be good, which it hasn't been. (Ling was top scorer in 12/13.)
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Post by iginla on Dec 2, 2021 11:19:19 GMT
The highest point scorer on Panthers roster in the whole league is Welsh and he is 33rd in the scoring charts. That’s shocking that a club the size of Panthers have nobody who is up there even remotely near the top. They should have two or three in the top dozen ! Several points. Not sure scoring prowess is directly related to the "size" of the club you play for? Twice in the last 7 seasons the league's top scorer has been a Storm player. Panthers have played the fewest games of all league teams bar Clan. It's not how many you score, per se, it's how many you score relative to your opposition. 1-0 gets you the same points as 7-6 or 7-0. Bit like the darts "Scoring for show, doubles for dough". Boivin is 6th in the Cup scoring. (Giants have the top 4. They've still qualified for the quarter finals same as Panthers.) Player with the most shots in the Cup is Ollie. Herr was the first time for years Panthers have had a genuine "league MVP" scoring type player. Last 7 years Panthers top scorer was, overall, 1 (Herr)/22/32/36/7/18/20th in league scoring. Nothing new in Panthers not having a "big scorer" (rightly or wrongly). Like I say, it's not necessarily what you score on its own. Recent years Panthers have scored by committee, but if you set up like that, the D has to be good, which it hasn't been. (Ling was top scorer in 12/13.) I would agree with you in part. But if Panthers signed Alex Ovechkin he would very highly likely end up as the top scorer in the league because he is quality. My point being that a team like Panthers should be signing better quality players than a small team could. Unfortunately,with a wage cap that limits spending,however you would still expect Panthers to have somebody up there near the top of the charts. When your top scorer sits in a lowly 33rd place then you most probably aren’t winning many trophies.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 2, 2021 12:02:29 GMT
Several points. Not sure scoring prowess is directly related to the "size" of the club you play for? Twice in the last 7 seasons the league's top scorer has been a Storm player. Panthers have played the fewest games of all league teams bar Clan. It's not how many you score, per se, it's how many you score relative to your opposition. 1-0 gets you the same points as 7-6 or 7-0. Bit like the darts "Scoring for show, doubles for dough". Boivin is 6th in the Cup scoring. (Giants have the top 4. They've still qualified for the quarter finals same as Panthers.) Player with the most shots in the Cup is Ollie. Herr was the first time for years Panthers have had a genuine "league MVP" scoring type player. Last 7 years Panthers top scorer was, overall, 1 (Herr)/22/32/36/7/18/20th in league scoring. Nothing new in Panthers not having a "big scorer" (rightly or wrongly). Like I say, it's not necessarily what you score on its own. Recent years Panthers have scored by committee, but if you set up like that, the D has to be good, which it hasn't been. (Ling was top scorer in 12/13.) I would agree with you in part. But if Panthers signed Alex Ovechkin he would very highly likely end up as the top scorer in the league because he is quality. My point being that a team like Panthers should be signing better quality players than a small team could. Unfortunately,with a wage cap that limits spending,however you would still expect Panthers to have somebody up there near the top of the charts. When your top scorer sits in a lowly 33rd place then you most probably aren’t winning many trophies. I don't believe Pathers have even spent anywhere near the fake wage cap
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Post by bobness on Dec 2, 2021 13:26:44 GMT
Several points. Not sure scoring prowess is directly related to the "size" of the club you play for? Twice in the last 7 seasons the league's top scorer has been a Storm player. Panthers have played the fewest games of all league teams bar Clan. It's not how many you score, per se, it's how many you score relative to your opposition. 1-0 gets you the same points as 7-6 or 7-0. Bit like the darts "Scoring for show, doubles for dough". Boivin is 6th in the Cup scoring. (Giants have the top 4. They've still qualified for the quarter finals same as Panthers.) Player with the most shots in the Cup is Ollie. Herr was the first time for years Panthers have had a genuine "league MVP" scoring type player. Last 7 years Panthers top scorer was, overall, 1 (Herr)/22/32/36/7/18/20th in league scoring. Nothing new in Panthers not having a "big scorer" (rightly or wrongly). Like I say, it's not necessarily what you score on its own. Recent years Panthers have scored by committee, but if you set up like that, the D has to be good, which it hasn't been. (Ling was top scorer in 12/13.) I would agree with you in part. But if Panthers signed Alex Ovechkin he would very highly likely end up as the top scorer in the league because he is quality. My point being that a team like Panthers should be signing better quality players than a small team could. Unfortunately,with a wage cap that limits spending,however you would still expect Panthers to have somebody up there near the top of the charts. When your top scorer sits in a lowly 33rd place then you most probably aren’t winning many trophies. There's not a lot to disagree with there. I concur, the Panthers should have a "franchise" type player most, if not every, years. Welsh is looking better almost every game this year (6 points in his last 4 league games, last 4 Cup games at least one point) but as good as Herr/Ling? Maybe, to be fair. The interesting thing is that "quality" in EIHL circles (assuming Gui isn't in touch with Ovi) isn't necessarily translating into performance. Of the current top 10 scorers, Reid looks and is quality, Mcnicholas has a "decent but not spectacular" CV but is scoring very well, Crandall is playing to his CV to be fair, Brady is a second year pro, Piccinich is good and experienced, Watters is an EIHL stalwart having had a middling CV prior, Combs is effectively straight out of college, as is Watson, and Critchlow is a diamond in the rough, playing well above expectation. Lower down, Matt Lane has the CV to be right up there, but it hasn't clicked yet (outside the Cup, at least), Lammon has some decent ECHL numbers but hasn't got going yet, a few thought Boucher might tear up the league, but he's on 2 goals (+5) from 11 games, I perhaps expected more from Dupont, who has a very good CV. I could go on. I guess the bottom line is, it's not an exact science. Interesting to look at and speculate though.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 2, 2021 13:58:10 GMT
Several points. Not sure scoring prowess is directly related to the "size" of the club you play for? Twice in the last 7 seasons the league's top scorer has been a Storm player. Panthers have played the fewest games of all league teams bar Clan. It's not how many you score, per se, it's how many you score relative to your opposition. 1-0 gets you the same points as 7-6 or 7-0. Bit like the darts "Scoring for show, doubles for dough". Boivin is 6th in the Cup scoring. (Giants have the top 4. They've still qualified for the quarter finals same as Panthers.) Player with the most shots in the Cup is Ollie. Herr was the first time for years Panthers have had a genuine "league MVP" scoring type player. Last 7 years Panthers top scorer was, overall, 1 (Herr)/22/32/36/7/18/20th in league scoring. Nothing new in Panthers not having a "big scorer" (rightly or wrongly). Like I say, it's not necessarily what you score on its own. Recent years Panthers have scored by committee, but if you set up like that, the D has to be good, which it hasn't been. (Ling was top scorer in 12/13.) I would agree with you in part. But if Panthers signed Alex Ovechkin he would very highly likely end up as the top scorer in the league because he is quality. My point being that a team like Panthers should be signing better quality players than a small team could. Unfortunately,with a wage cap that limits spending,however you would still expect Panthers to have somebody up there near the top of the charts. When your top scorer sits in a lowly 33rd place then you most probably aren’t winning many trophies. How is it even possible to have a your top points scorer around the league's top 32 when there's only 10 teams Dave? 🙄🤦
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 2, 2021 14:33:55 GMT
I would agree with you in part. But if Panthers signed Alex Ovechkin he would very highly likely end up as the top scorer in the league because he is quality. My point being that a team like Panthers should be signing better quality players than a small team could. Unfortunately,with a wage cap that limits spending,however you would still expect Panthers to have somebody up there near the top of the charts. When your top scorer sits in a lowly 33rd place then you most probably aren’t winning many trophies. I don't believe Pathers have even spent anywhere near the fake wage cap This, 100% this. Panthers have been no where near the highest spenders for years now so I highly doubt they are anywhere near the wage ceiling cap. It was bought in to reign in other teams spending.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 2, 2021 14:50:38 GMT
I don't believe Pathers have even spent anywhere near the fake wage cap This, 100% this. Panthers have been no where near the highest spenders for years now so I highly doubt they are anywhere near the wage ceiling cap. It was bought in to reign in other teams spending. And Barbados just isn't cheap anymore
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Post by iginla on Dec 2, 2021 15:32:42 GMT
This, 100% this. Panthers have been no where near the highest spenders for years now so I highly doubt they are anywhere near the wage ceiling cap. It was bought in to reign in other teams spending. And Barbados just isn't cheap anymore Bermuda isn’t either ! 🤣🤣
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Post by Jord v4 on Dec 2, 2021 15:47:12 GMT
In fact it's a perfect excuse for them to spend less than in previous years & seeing the results so far they could well have done that.
Some teams are forced to spend less so we can spend even less than in previous years to make sure we don't accidently compete.
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Post by bobness on Dec 2, 2021 16:30:38 GMT
Welsh has just had 2 points taken off him and (rightly) given to Baillargeon, so Boivin is now top Panther at 43rd!
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