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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 28, 2021 20:20:26 GMT
Very little I can say about tonights game that would give any optimism - We never looked like winning even when we evened up the score, allways looked like they would score before we did - I think Tim needs to rewrite the coaching manual 1 - Do not pass the puck to an oposition player 2 - The little Red things either end of the rink are called "GOALS" - In order to score you need to put the puck in the oposing teams "GOAL" 3 - When passing the puck aim for a player in the same colour shirt as yours. 4 - Do not pass the puck to a player that has a different coloured shirt than you 5 - Skate faster towards the opositions goal when you have the puck and try to get the said puck in the opositions GOAL 6 - To reduce the chances of the oposition scoring try to make sure that the puck is nearer the opositions GOAL than ours 7 - Stop taking stupid penalties 8 - Look after your teammates if they are being bullied
We may not win any more games but if just one of the above are done the fans may not feel so ******* off
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 28, 2021 20:36:12 GMT
It is strange. Each season the personnel change, the coach may change, yet the results remain dire. Even the fanbase seems lower this season, yet we are one of the best supported teams in the League. I'm not sure that Black and Moran can influence it that much. Can they? One of the reasons the fanbase is lower is for years we have had out of date 1980's match night experience and promo and consequently, we have not brought in any younger people into replace those leaving. Look at the average ago of the fan base of other teams. We have gone from the biggest arena team to the smallest arena team in no time at all. The mega-expensive scoreboard is hardly used for anything other than the same advertising images the old one had up there. Very very poor and unless someone younger is brought in to show them how to use it PDQ together with the internet I think Panther's org could be in real trouble.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 28, 2021 20:36:58 GMT
Very little I can say about tonights game that would give any optimism - We never looked like winning even when we evened up the score, allways looked like they would score before we did - I think Tim needs to rewrite the coaching manual 1 - Do not pass the puck to an oposition player 2 - The little Red things either end of the rink are called "GOALS" - In order to score you need to put the puck in the oposing teams "GOAL" 3 - When passing the puck aim for a player in the same colour shirt as yours. 4 - Do not pass the puck to a player that has a different coloured shirt than you 5 - Skate faster towards the opositions goal when you have the puck and try to get the said puck in the opositions GOAL 6 - To reduce the chances of the oposition scoring try to make sure that the puck is nearer the opositions GOAL than ours 7 - Stop taking stupid penalties 8 - Look after your teammates if they are being bullied We may not win any more games but if just one of the above are done the fans may not feel so ******* off "Tim" is fifteen miles out of his depth unfortunately
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 28, 2021 20:47:54 GMT
So has Black. Less and less people there every week Personally, in my opinion we need to see the back of Black and Moran for the culture and ethos of the club to change. Personally...??!! We've ALL been saying this for years.
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Post by Mark on Nov 28, 2021 21:10:43 GMT
Personally, in my opinion we need to see the back of Black and Moran for the culture and ethos of the club to change. Personally...??!! We've ALL been saying this for years. Not all. Some people think the sun shines out of their arses.
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Post by jd on Nov 28, 2021 21:17:12 GMT
Personally, in my opinion we need to see the back of Black and Moran for the culture and ethos of the club to change. Personally...??!! We've ALL been saying this for years. I do wonder what it would take for them to go and it’s got to be money or the lack of earnings. I’ve been to 3 games and won’t be going back. I love hockey but this is a joke. When I think of some of the players we’ve had since I’ve been watching, this is close to the worst team ever. We are short in every department.
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 28, 2021 21:23:05 GMT
Personally...??!! We've ALL been saying this for years. I do wonder what it would take for them to go and it’s got to be money or the lack of earnings. I’ve been to 3 games and won’t be going back. I love hockey but this is a joke. When I think of some of the players we’ve had since I’ve been watching, this is close to the worst team ever. We are short in every department. Money, plain & simple. Take away their profit & they will look to sell. However, they are making an absolute killing, so it will take a severe attendance change to even contemplate this. If you want change you have to vote with your feet.
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Post by iginla on Nov 28, 2021 21:36:58 GMT
I do wonder what it would take for them to go and it’s got to be money or the lack of earnings. I’ve been to 3 games and won’t be going back. I love hockey but this is a joke. When I think of some of the players we’ve had since I’ve been watching, this is close to the worst team ever. We are short in every department. Money, plain & simple. Take away their profit & they will look to sell. However, they are making an absolute killing, so it will take a severe attendance change to even contemplate this. If you want change you have to vote with your feet. Certainly are making a killing.....Just look at this weekends two games. Sheffield must have grossed over £100k from 7000 plus fans yesterday and Panthers at least £70k today from 4400 fans and yet the weeks wage bill is only £12.5k for each team. They’re taking the pisss big time with this paltry wage cap, Neil Black and Tony Smith must be laughing all the way to the bank happy that their punters will put up with this poor quality of hockey !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2021 22:06:57 GMT
It's a cash cow.. becoming more evident by the year .. eventually crowds will dip alarmingly as even the average fan won't put up with a losing team. Once fighting and general physical play started getting watered down it leaves the game over here awful to watch as the quality of general play isn't very high to try and compensate.
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Post by Robbie Nud on Nov 29, 2021 9:35:09 GMT
No was there nearly 4 1/2 thousand people attending, place hardly half full. I had a newby sitting next to me and they asked who was our best player, so I replied none of them based on how they were playing.
We dont seem to have a team that can create chances, it is just the same thing; get into the scoring zone, pass the puck around, pass it a bit more, take it round the back of the net, few more passes and get it to the man on the blue line for the shot, miss / saved. dont get the love in for Tousignant, we get into the zone and he goe in front of the net and then seems to concentrate on trying to draw a penalty then moans to the refs when it doesn't happen. Tries to be a connelly or finnerty type player chirps but can't or wont back it up.
Overall a woeful performance but we beat shuff the previous night, albeit a dead rubber game so that's alright.
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Post by Wolves 66 on Nov 29, 2021 10:25:22 GMT
No was there nearly 4 1/2 thousand people attending, place hardly half full. I had a newby sitting next to me and they asked who was our best player, so I replied none of them based on how they were playing. If I would be asked that, my answer for every game this season would be Ollie Betteridge. He shows the passion that seems to be lacking in others and has the skill to back it up. Stand out players for the wrong reasons for me - Doherty was just awful last night. And what has happened to Myers? In seasons past, definitely one of my favourite players but barely noticeable at the moment. I appreciate he's getting older but many other players have kept their form to a much older age. Overall the game left me feeling flat. Thank goodness for Lions NIHL 2 on the other rink afterwards who gave a passionate performance against Coventry for a 4-3 OT win.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 29, 2021 11:08:28 GMT
No was there nearly 4 1/2 thousand people attending, place hardly half full. I had a newby sitting next to me and they asked who was our best player, so I replied none of them based on how they were playing. We dont seem to have a team that can create chances, it is just the same thing; get into the scoring zone, pass the puck around, pass it a bit more, take it round the back of the net, few more passes and get it to the man on the blue line for the shot, miss / saved. dont get the love in for Tousignant, we get into the zone and he goe in front of the net and then seems to concentrate on trying to draw a penalty then moans to the refs when it doesn't happen. Tries to be a connelly or finnerty type player chirps but can't or wont back it up. Overall a woeful performance but we beat shuff the previous night, albeit a dead rubber game so that's alright. 4500 people? 😂😂😂
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Post by bobness on Nov 29, 2021 11:35:21 GMT
Money, plain & simple. Take away their profit & they will look to sell. However, they are making an absolute killing, so it will take a severe attendance change to even contemplate this. If you want change you have to vote with your feet. Certainly are making a killing.....Just look at this weekends two games. Sheffield must have grossed over £100k from 7000 plus fans yesterday and Panthers at least £70k today from 4400 fans and yet the weeks wage bill is only £12.5k for each team. They’re taking the pisss big time with this paltry wage cap, Neil Black and Tony Smith must be laughing all the way to the bank happy that their punters will put up with this poor quality of hockey ! Wages aren't the only costs though, are they? I suspect hiring an arena 40 times a season doesn't come cheap. £50k a time? Does anyone have any idea what the NIC charge the Panthers?
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 29, 2021 11:53:53 GMT
Certainly are making a killing.....Just look at this weekends two games. Sheffield must have grossed over £100k from 7000 plus fans yesterday and Panthers at least £70k today from 4400 fans and yet the weeks wage bill is only £12.5k for each team. They’re taking the pisss big time with this paltry wage cap, Neil Black and Tony Smith must be laughing all the way to the bank happy that their punters will put up with this poor quality of hockey ! Wages aren't the only costs though, are they? I suspect hiring an arena 40 times a season doesn't come cheap. £50k a time? Does anyone have any idea what the NIC charge the Panthers? I don't and I doubt anyone really knows outside the organisations involved. I have seen talk of a breakeven figure of about 2-3000 fans (please take this with a boulder of salt), which using some rough calculations would be anywhere from £20k to £45k (2000 fans @ £10 average) to 3000 fans @ £15 average). Also, you need to include all the other costs, presumably Panthers offices at the Arena are rented from them, plus ice for training etc....
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 29, 2021 12:25:33 GMT
If you want change then don't attend. Only way it's going to happen. There are some lovely activities you could be doing in the Evening instead.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Nov 29, 2021 12:27:56 GMT
An utterly abysmal game. We can't pass, we can't defend and we certainly have nobody prepared or able to shoot accurately. Our main tactic seems to be to dump and chase around the boards and that's without Lee on the ice! Possibly a useful tactic if we had players in a receiving position. The crowds are definitely getting less each week and there were some gaping holes in the stands yesterday. What few attendees there are don't exactly get roused by the dire performance of Ken. His entire repertoire these days seems to revolve around a few tedious video clips of Freddie Mercury, Great Escape or some cartoon chicken. I've seen better cheerleading at funerals. to be fair to Ken, it's on the ice where the action should be. I agree the whole entertainment/music etc needs reviewing, it's so scripted it's untrue and aimed entirely at plugging sponsors or selling something, but the crowd woke up momentarily with Norrish/Brassard's open ice hit. After that we all went back to sleep. Team included
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Post by Jord v4 on Nov 29, 2021 12:54:58 GMT
Personally...??!! We've ALL been saying this for years. Not all. Some people think the sun shines out of their arses. Apologies if I came across a little obtuse, agree that some do believe they are the beacons of light... Which, given the cast iron evidence of one league title in most people's lifetime, is actually rather alarming isn't it.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 29, 2021 13:51:58 GMT
An utterly abysmal game. We can't pass, we can't defend and we certainly have nobody prepared or able to shoot accurately. Our main tactic seems to be to dump and chase around the boards and that's without Lee on the ice! Possibly a useful tactic if we had players in a receiving position. The crowds are definitely getting less each week and there were some gaping holes in the stands yesterday. What few attendees there are don't exactly get roused by the dire performance of Ken. His entire repertoire these days seems to revolve around a few tedious video clips of Freddie Mercury, Great Escape or some cartoon chicken. I've seen better cheerleading at funerals. Why anyone would pay that much for a scoreboard and then not use it is just baffling
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 13:58:44 GMT
An utterly abysmal game. We can't pass, we can't defend and we certainly have nobody prepared or able to shoot accurately. Our main tactic seems to be to dump and chase around the boards and that's without Lee on the ice! Possibly a useful tactic if we had players in a receiving position. The crowds are definitely getting less each week and there were some gaping holes in the stands yesterday. What few attendees there are don't exactly get roused by the dire performance of Ken. His entire repertoire these days seems to revolve around a few tedious video clips of Freddie Mercury, Great Escape or some cartoon chicken. I've seen better cheerleading at funerals. Why anyone would pay that much for a scoreboard and then not use it is just baffling It's all very panthers.. hasn't anyone from panthers jumped on a plane over the pond and seen how they do things and how they utilise them ? With falling crowds....cheap looking roster's..the future is bleak
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 29, 2021 14:09:17 GMT
Why anyone would pay that much for a scoreboard and then not use it is just baffling It's all very panthers.. hasn't anyone from panthers jumped on a plane over the pond and seen how they do things and how they utilise them ? With falling crowds....cheap looking roster's..the future is bleak Or just gone a few minutes up the M1 to see what they do Excuses would be: 1. The guy can't do it as he can't even program his video recorder to record The One Show 2. It would involve using someone else 3. The average age of the dwindling crowd can't see that far anyway 4. They have just given up
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Post by bobness on Nov 29, 2021 14:19:38 GMT
With falling crowds....cheap looking rosters..the future is bleak Point of order Pidge, you said earlier this season (August actually) I've said it before and I'll say it again THIS PANTHERS ROSTER DOES NOT LOOK CHEAP You even put it in capitals. Which one is your final answer? Is this roster cheap or not? Or do you just bend with the prevailing wind?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 14:45:43 GMT
Compared to fife it probably isn't cheap..imagine getting beaten by a team on a lower budget than you! Ouch
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Post by Deleted on Nov 29, 2021 14:47:01 GMT
It's all very panthers.. hasn't anyone from panthers jumped on a plane over the pond and seen how they do things and how they utilise them ? With falling crowds....cheap looking roster's..the future is bleak Or just gone a few minutes up the M1 to see what they do Excuses would be: 1. The guy can't do it as he can't even program his video recorder to record The One Show 2. It would involve using someone else 3. The average age of the dwindling crowd can't see that far anyway 4. They have just given up It's probably a bit of all 4 mate. Let's be honest apathy starts at the top.. and crap rolls downhill eh
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 29, 2021 15:12:07 GMT
An utterly abysmal game. We can't pass, we can't defend and we certainly have nobody prepared or able to shoot accurately. Our main tactic seems to be to dump and chase around the boards and that's without Lee on the ice! Possibly a useful tactic if we had players in a receiving position. The crowds are definitely getting less each week and there were some gaping holes in the stands yesterday. What few attendees there are don't exactly get roused by the dire performance of Ken. His entire repertoire these days seems to revolve around a few tedious video clips of Freddie Mercury, Great Escape or some cartoon chicken. I've seen better cheerleading at funerals. When Panthers posted a clip of the scoreboard being tested back before preseason, it was actually being controlled from a box above block 10. It might be that the controls were there just when it was being tested, but worth considering whether Ken actually has full control of the board? Secondly, whomever controls it during the game will still be limited by the content that is available. Anyone at the olympic qualifiers back in 2020 will have seen the screens (plural) being far better utilised because they had specially crafted content that made use of the main screen plus the wraparound corner sections. If good content was there, I'm certain it would be used. I just don't think it exists. Thirdly, can we try and be a bit more respectful?Specifically thinking that final remark. By all means have criticisms (I just included some of my own), but can we avoid being unnecessarily personal towards named individuals please? I'm not sure how often (if at all anymore) that he looks, but he is a registered member of this forum still.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Nov 29, 2021 15:43:39 GMT
If you want change then don't attend. Only way it's going to happen. There are some lovely activities you could be doing in the Evening instead. This is really beginning to feel like Grounghog Day !!
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