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Post by jd on Nov 21, 2021 20:17:37 GMT
Average coach, players and team.
We won’t win a lot with this team. Problem is that we can’t make a lot of changes. Always next season.
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Post by wannabe2 on Nov 21, 2021 20:34:17 GMT
Agree with this, need a revamp to win anything, coach poor team average, and take no pleasure in saying that as a strong Panthers is good for everyone.
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Post by wgray on Nov 21, 2021 20:41:35 GMT
I knew today was going to be tough with Glasgow still on a high from their season starting but having said that you can’t be going 2-0 up at home and losing 3-2 without a response. A very disappointing result tonight.
Like others have said, I also thought Carr could have done better but in his defence we were letting the Clan drive to the net far too easily all night.
It’s becoming all too common that we’re heavily out shooting and out chancing teams yet we’re not pulling away in games. I think Boivin is a brilliant player but my god I wish he would stop shooting the puck over the bar when in close.
I was pleased to see that Tim has mixed the lines up but I still think there’s some tweaking to do to get the best out of the group. It was also good to see Kelsall get a goal and Welsh continued his good form.
A frustrating night, this team is far from the finished article, hopefully Tim can get them going.
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Post by iginla on Nov 21, 2021 20:50:16 GMT
Average coach, players and team. We won’t win a lot with this team. Problem is that we can’t make a lot of changes. Always next season. They could change half the imports. But they won’t because they wouldn’t spend the money to do it and also Tim seems to think they played pretty well. Sounds like he must be watching a different team.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 21, 2021 21:01:16 GMT
We look good at 90mph but you can only play at 90mph for five minutes a game. Most telling point was when Doherty was played as a forward as the clock ran down.
Great pass by Lane for Kelsall and Walsh is our best forward at the moment.
Wallace and Grommet have work to do and I think a couple of players need to go ASAP but the problem is unless they have wildly overspent on players we obviously have a very very small budget.
Carr sucker punched twice would be one to go. I didn’t think much of him last time and even less this time around.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 21, 2021 21:05:25 GMT
Average coach, players and team. We won’t win a lot with this team. Problem is that we can’t make a lot of changes. Always next season. They could change half the imports. But they won’t because they wouldn’t spend the money to do it and also Tim seems to think they played pretty well. Sounds like he must be watching a different team. Tim buying into the Panthers BS. All I can say is useless clueless muppet.
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Post by DMS on Nov 21, 2021 21:23:16 GMT
Welsh is becoming our standout player, his hockey IQ is superior to a lot of our team, he seems to have found his legs after a sluggish start. Will be pleased if he keeps up his form for the rest of the year.
I am becoming concerned about the mindset of some players when things don’t go well. For one Taylor Doherty. At one point he played an outlet pass directly to a clan forward (nowhere near any of the intended/available targets) and he stood still &visibly shrugged as if it wasn’t his fault.
Another who’s mindset is concerning is Carr. He was looking fine today and then conceding a soft goal he seemed to become despondent and then made the exact same mistake again. This same sort of thing happened in the Belfast debacle at the early goal with the bad bounce early on. Rather than shrug it off he seemed to let it get to him. I do agree with others that he may not Be a “league winning goalie” but we need him to retain his focus to at least keep us in games.
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Post by wgray on Nov 21, 2021 21:25:13 GMT
They could change half the imports. But they won’t because they wouldn’t spend the money to do it and also Tim seems to think they played pretty well. Sounds like he must be watching a different team. Tim buying into the Panthers BS. All I can say is useless clueless muppet. The evidence is there that we were the better team though from a coach’s standpoint, we outshot them 44-21, we created a lot more chances, Tim can’t control individual errors that cost us the game. I know tonight was frustrating but let’s not get carried away. Tonight was always going to be tough, Clan were up for it, they’ve got a fresh and heathy squad. The season so far has been full of upsets and surprising results, our position in the league is far from disastrous.
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Post by spik on Nov 21, 2021 21:28:58 GMT
Shots on goal was 44 to 21. Panthers need to finish their chances. It's the case now, that whenever I see us on the breakaway, I expect us not to finish. We even conspired to miss a 2 on 0. 3rd period had the worst possible start conceding within a minute at that point we looked very shaky at the back. Also the powerplay they got the winner on was criminally bad penalty to give away. Doherty with a lazy slash behind the Clan net. I'm torn because we looked far better than the Clan, but we can't keep failing to convert chances. I'd love for the stattos to tell us a conversion rate for shots on goals into actual goals. It feels like it should be very poor.In the context on the league, this should have been 2 points, winning a game in hand to keep up pressure. A quick look says in domestic competition we have had 571 shots on goal and scored 47. hang on not got my calculator with me. ? 1 in 12 (571 divided by 47 = 12.15 rounded up)
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 21, 2021 21:38:53 GMT
Tim buying into the Panthers BS. All I can say is useless clueless muppet. The evidence is there that we were the better team though from a coach’s standpoint, we outshot them 44-21, we created a lot more chances, Tim can’t control individual errors that cost us the game. I know tonight was frustrating but let’s not get carried away. Tonight was always going to be tough, Clan were up for it, they’ve got a fresh and heathy squad. The season so far has been full of upsets and surprising results, our position in the league is far from disastrous. I was meaning the BS part. He might well desperately grasp at straws to see some hint of a glimmer to be pleased about and that’s fine. Our passing for 40 minutes was abysmal, Carr was terrible and in general our forwards are shooting blanks and from my view watching I can see a long winter ahead.
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Post by spik on Nov 21, 2021 21:39:30 GMT
Tim buying into the Panthers BS. All I can say is useless clueless muppet. The evidence is there that we were the better team though from a coach’s standpoint, we outshot them 44-21, we created a lot more chances, Tim can’t control individual errors that cost us the game. I know tonight was frustrating but let’s not get carried away. Tonight was always going to be tough, Clan were up for it, they’ve got a fresh and heathy squad. The season so far has been full of upsets and surprising results, our position in the league is far from disastrous. You could say we have a team that should have gelled well by now, are at home. Not as healthy a squad though.
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Post by iginla on Nov 21, 2021 22:14:25 GMT
The evidence is there that we were the better team though from a coach’s standpoint, we outshot them 44-21, we created a lot more chances, Tim can’t control individual errors that cost us the game. I know tonight was frustrating but let’s not get carried away. Tonight was always going to be tough, Clan were up for it, they’ve got a fresh and heathy squad. The season so far has been full of upsets and surprising results, our position in the league is far from disastrous. You could say we have a team that should have gelled well by now, are at home. Not as healthy a squad though. But had it been Clan who to date had played numerous games and Panthers only played just a couple then the excuse for losing being trotted out would no doubt have been....ah but we havn’t played many games so we havn’t had time to gell together yet !
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Post by Robbie Nud on Nov 22, 2021 10:13:53 GMT
We seemed to be doing well until the 3rd when Clan upped the physiclity and that was it, we were stuffed as there is no one ract to it. TW & GD were fast skillful players and have signed a team reflective of themselves, hence no grit and edginess. Teams know that all they have to do it get a little rough and we will fold. If someone runs Carr or lays a bad hit who is going to take the perpetrator to task? Only ones I can see doing that is Tetlow or Kelsall; dont get the love in for Tousignat (sp) still riding on the reputation of his first game when he was involved in an altercation, wouldnt say fight as he wasnt really a combatant in it.
If you look arond the league and some of the coaches and the players they were and what sort of team they have: Keefe, Stewart, Finnety; teams with someone who will get physical, hit, not back down.
Manchester have been slagged off for signing a goon like Springer, well that 'goon' has scored more points than all the team apart from Boivin, Walsh and Betteridge.
with reference to the new guy, I thought he played ok to start but then faded, perhaps was told not to be too physical as that is not the system they are playing.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 22, 2021 12:17:16 GMT
We seemed to be doing well until the 3rd when Clan upped the physiclity and that was it, we were stuffed as there is no one ract to it. TW & GD were fast skillful players and have signed a team reflective of themselves, hence no grit and edginess. Teams know that all they have to do it get a little rough and we will fold. If someone runs Carr or lays a bad hit who is going to take the perpetrator to task? Only ones I can see doing that is Tetlow or Kelsall; dont get the love in for Tousignat (sp) still riding on the reputation of his first game when he was involved in an altercation, wouldnt say fight as he wasnt really a combatant in it. If you look arond the league and some of the coaches and the players they were and what sort of team they have: Keefe, Stewart, Finnety; teams with someone who will get physical, hit, not back down. Manchester have been slagged off for signing a goon like Springer, well that 'goon' has scored more points than all the team apart from Boivin, Walsh and Betteridge. with reference to the new guy, I thought he played ok to start but then faded, perhaps was told not to be too physical as that is not the system they are playing. Wallace and Grommit have played enough games in this league between them to know what's needed to have a winning team. They either took no notice of who other teams were signing or signed ours hanging around the Aldi car park. Yes, Springer would make a HUGE difference to our team and change the way other teams played us in a heartbeat
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 12:21:12 GMT
I'd love finnerty here as coach he'd give the team Identity and maybe may well make me want to go and see the odd game again!
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Post by iginla on Nov 22, 2021 12:30:28 GMT
I'd love finnerty here as coach he'd give the team Identity and maybe may well make me want to go and see the odd game again! Hopefully the Mrs might have a look at the Panthers website and buy you a “Panthers pass” for Christmas mate. Lol If only they put as much effort into signing a decent team as they do flogging tickets eh !
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 12:39:59 GMT
I know mate. Panthers pass eh why do they try and be fancy when essentially it's a half Season ticket? Mind you no doubt they'll flog a few lol
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Post by bobness on Nov 22, 2021 16:17:28 GMT
I'd love for the stattos to tell us a conversion rate for shots on goals into actual goals. It feels like it should be very poor.In the context on the league, this should have been 2 points, winning a game in hand to keep up pressure. A quick look says in domestic competition we have had 571 shots on goal and scored 47. hang on not got my calculator with me. ? 1 in 12 (571 divided by 47 = 12.15 rounded up) 22/296, 7.43% in the league (Best Cardiff 8/70, 11.43%, worst Belfast, 0/26) 24/284, 8.45% in the Cup, 17/165, 10.30% vs Storm, 7/119, 5.88% vs Steelers. Only Stars have a worse shot% in the league, but Panthers are mid table in the Cup. Steelers are the league total leaders, 34/223 in the Cup alone, over 15%. Best individual % is Sointu 3/7, then Tousignant on 4/11. For players with >25 shots, Brodie Reid heads the pack at 10/51 in the league, Ian Watters 5/28, Adam Brady 7/42. Just for Pidge, Matt Carter in 5th overall on that list 5/33 = 15.15%, better than all of the Panthers. How you explain that when both are completely rubbish I'm waiting to see. Probably just luck. Only Panther on that list is Boivin with 3/28, 10.71%.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2021 17:36:27 GMT
Good for him.. just proves how poor the overall standard is these days 🤣🤦
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Post by bobness on Nov 22, 2021 18:09:39 GMT
Good for him.. just proves how poor the overall standard is these days 🤣🤦 I knew you'd say that.
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Post by iginla on Nov 22, 2021 19:00:10 GMT
Good for him.. just proves how poor the overall standard is these days 🤣🤦 I knew you'd say that. It’s actually not a bad comeback answer though. When Matt Carter is top five that shows what sort of quality you get when you bring in a very paltry wage cap of only £12.5k a week. Just think there are premiership footballers earning more in a week than most EIHL complete rosters earn combined in a WHOLE season.
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Post by Yotes on Nov 22, 2021 19:12:25 GMT
Is that a confirmed number? And what's the usual value, for the year before the plague say?
Premier League Footballer isn't really a useful metric for anything.
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Post by gordie on Nov 22, 2021 19:45:45 GMT
When Matt Carter is top five that shows what sort of quality you get when you bring in a very paltry wage cap of only £12.5k a week. Many fans consider the EIHL very similar to the ECHL, which has a wage cap of $14,400 in 2021 (£10.5k per week). It appears that we pay more in the UK as we also have a smaller squad.
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Post by iginla on Nov 22, 2021 19:53:11 GMT
Is that a confirmed number? And what's the usual value, for the year before the plague say? Premier League Footballer isn't really a useful metric for anything. Apparently Kelman confirmed the cap a week or so ago at £12.5k maximum and I think it was £8k minimum spend.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 22, 2021 20:34:35 GMT
Is that a confirmed number? And what's the usual value, for the year before the plague say? Premier League Footballer isn't really a useful metric for anything. Apparently Kelman confirmed the cap a week or so ago at £12.5k maximum and I think it was £8k minimum spend. Didn't they also put an advert up for more clubs to come up to the EIHL?
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