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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2021 16:22:35 GMT
Come on then own up who’s applying for the new job ?
Crikey they don’t want much in that full on job description do they ! 😳
Something must be changing, GM is now listed as “operations” instead of General Manager and Greener and Simon seem to have disappeared from the off ice team.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 16:58:12 GMT
It's absolutely a great opportunity for somebody, hopefully they hire somebody who's given free reign to shake things up a little.
The job description strikes me as more of a marketing role rather than sales, of which there would be an aspect of sales but if I was to take a role described 'Sales Executive' you would assume that you would be selling directly, which clearly isn't what this role is.
Certainly not bad news though, got to spend money to make money and the fact that there is room in the budget for this suggests things aren't too bad financially at Neil Black Enterprises. The team off to a decent start this season too. A great opportunity for somebody to come in and bring tangible results when it comes to crowd numbers.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 26, 2021 17:18:43 GMT
Come on then own up who’s applying for the new job ? Crikey they don’t want much in that full on job description do they ! 😳 Something must be changing, GM is now listed as “operations” instead of General Manager and Greener and Simon seem to have disappeared from the off ice team. Having written many sales executive job descriptions I can assure you that is rather a short to middling list. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 18:10:04 GMT
Wonder what salary that starts at ? 🤔
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2021 19:04:34 GMT
Wonder what salary that starts at ? 🤔 It is a bit odd they don’t give a clue as to salary level. Rather pointless if somebody applies but then has to withdraw because they find it doesn’t pay enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2021 19:26:33 GMT
Wonder what salary that starts at ? 🤔 It is a bit odd they don’t give a clue as to salary level. Rather pointless if somebody applies but then has to withdraw because they find it doesn’t pay enough. I am in agreement, however this isn't just a Panthers thing. Many employers around the UK and the world don't specify salary. Like the employee, the employer is trying to get the best deal it can. My personal opinion is that every job should have at the very least a salary range to go with it's job description as a legal requirement but I don't make the rules. An interesting read from a recent BBC article: www.bbc.com/worklife/article/20210921-why-companies-dont-post-salaries-in-job-adverts |
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 26, 2021 19:28:48 GMT
Wonder what salary that starts at ? 🤔 It is a bit odd they don’t give a clue as to salary level. Rather pointless if somebody applies but then has to withdraw because they find it doesn’t pay enough. Standard for all sorts of jobs nowadays. It's a pet peev of mine for the reason you point out. |
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 26, 2021 19:32:41 GMT
Wonder what salary that starts at ? 🤔 It is a bit odd they don’t give a clue as to salary level. Rather pointless if somebody applies but then has to withdraw because they find it doesn’t pay enough. There's nothing odd about it, it's most companies standard procedure. |
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2021 19:43:11 GMT
It is a bit odd they don’t give a clue as to salary level. Rather pointless if somebody applies but then has to withdraw because they find it doesn’t pay enough. There's nothing odd about it, it's most companies standard procedure. I wouldn’t say it’s standard procedure Jord,I just googled “jobs in my area” there were nearly 500 advertised and well over half gave a salary. Suppose it’s up to the employer,but they’re potentially wasting their own time as well as the applicants. |
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 26, 2021 19:45:17 GMT
There's nothing odd about it, it's most companies standard procedure. I wouldn’t say it’s standard procedure Jord,I just googled “jobs in my area” there were nearly 500 advertised and well over half gave a salary. Suppose it’s up to the employer,but they’re potentially wasting their own time as well as the applicants. It's standard procedure, trust me. I get finding fault in anything to do with Panthers is your thing but your barking up the wrong tree with this. |
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2021 20:41:41 GMT
I wouldn’t say it’s standard procedure Jord,I just googled “jobs in my area” there were nearly 500 advertised and well over half gave a salary. Suppose it’s up to the employer,but they’re potentially wasting their own time as well as the applicants. It's standard procedure, trust me. I get finding fault in anything to do with Panthers is your thing but your barking up the wrong tree with this. Now now,calm down,i’m not finding fault with anything, I hope Panthers get the right person to make a massive difference to the club. But I don’t agree with your “standard procedure” because that’s not what I’m seeing. |
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 26, 2021 22:06:15 GMT
It's standard procedure, trust me. I get finding fault in anything to do with Panthers is your thing but your barking up the wrong tree with this. Now now,calm down,i’m not finding fault with anything, I hope Panthers get the right person to make a massive difference to the club. But I don’t agree with your “standard procedure” because that’s not what I’m seeing. I'll rephrase. It's standard procedure for an organization in the operating area Panthers dwell. |
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Post by Yotes on Oct 26, 2021 22:29:16 GMT
Didn't we used to have someone who did this? Simon something?
Hopefully it leads to some new ideas and a refreshed match night experience.
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Post by iginla on Oct 26, 2021 22:48:01 GMT
Didn't we used to have someone who did this? Simon something? Hopefully it leads to some new ideas and a refreshed match night experience. Simon Moor used to garner sponsorship.and Greener did housing and other duties. Both seem to have now disappeared from the off ice team according to the website. |
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Oct 27, 2021 12:27:21 GMT
Think Simon Moor has just about retired. Maybe Green has moved on.
With regard to the new position, will it help if the applicants have a prior knowledge of British Ice Hockey, or just experience in the Leisure Industry. There have been examples of senior positions in some sports being filled by good people from other sports, only to find that there skills aren't necessarily transferable. I think fresh perspective is needed, not somewhere already mired in the internal politics of the League.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 29, 2021 12:57:16 GMT
Fyi I asked for the wage range on this, they wouldn't tell me without an official application.
Fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2021 13:05:37 GMT
Fyi I asked for the wage range on this, they wouldn't tell me without an official application. Fantastic. It's also worth considering that a job such as this is likely to come with an incentive bonus. EG If attendances average 5500 by the end of the season you'll have a bonus paid out or something along those lines. Most sales jobs come with some kind of performance/commission bonus so it's likely that the base salary is nothing to shout about. |
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 29, 2021 13:08:08 GMT
Fyi I asked for the wage range on this, they wouldn't tell me without an official application. Fantastic. It's also worth considering that a job such as this is likely to come with an incentive bonus. EG If attendances average 5500 by the end of the season you'll have a bonus paid out or something along those lines. Most sales jobs come with some kind of performance/commission bonus so it's likely that the base salary is nothing to shout about. Yep, that's why I asked for the 'range' as such. Wanted to know the in's & out's of it. |
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Post by spik on Oct 29, 2021 14:15:02 GMT
It's also worth considering that a job such as this is likely to come with an incentive bonus. EG If attendances average 5500 by the end of the season you'll have a bonus paid out or something along those lines. Most sales jobs come with some kind of performance/commission bonus so it's likely that the base salary is nothing to shout about. Yep, that's why I asked for the 'range' as such. Wanted to know the in's & out's of it. How many people might NOT apply because of withheld information of the remuneration? |
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 29, 2021 15:31:54 GMT
Yep, that's why I asked for the 'range' as such. Wanted to know the in's & out's of it. How many people might NOT apply because of withheld information of the remuneration? Speaking from personal experience, when I've been in a job, but looking around I'd sometimes skip over these ads. However when I was unemployed, I was rather less picky. I do think you run the risk of putting some people off with this unknown salary business. I think equally, you can run the risk of attracting good candidates who will never fit with your pay structure, but end up wasting everyone's time as things won't work out. |
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Post by iginla on Oct 29, 2021 17:16:16 GMT
How many people might NOT apply because of withheld information of the remuneration? Speaking from personal experience, when I've been in a job, but looking around I'd sometimes skip over these ads. However when I was unemployed, I was rather less picky. I do think you run the risk of putting some people off with this unknown salary business. I think equally, you can run the risk of attracting good candidates who will never fit with your pay structure, but end up wasting everyone's time as things won't work out. Agree entirely. It’ll be interesting to see what sort of person ends up in the job. |
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Post by blackandgold73 on Oct 30, 2021 14:41:25 GMT
Speaking from personal experience, when I've been in a job, but looking around I'd sometimes skip over these ads. However when I was unemployed, I was rather less picky. I do think you run the risk of putting some people off with this unknown salary business. I think equally, you can run the risk of attracting good candidates who will never fit with your pay structure, but end up wasting everyone's time as things won't work out. Agree entirely. It’ll be interesting to see what sort of person ends up in the job. Perhaps FC Cincinnati's sales/pr person is free? For context of this Twitter post... They'd lost all three of the games concerned and shipped 15 goals against them during those games. That's some Elite level sales spinning for you |
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2021 14:46:55 GMT
Agree entirely. It’ll be interesting to see what sort of person ends up in the job. Perhaps FC Cincinnati's sales/pr person is free? For context of this Twitter post... They'd lost all three of the games concerned and shipped 15 goals against them during those games. That's some Elite level sales spinning for you Haha yes that’s Panthers level spin there. Wonder if FC Cincinnati won the next game ? 🤣 |
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Post by kievthegreat on Nov 10, 2021 13:23:46 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 10, 2021 14:15:27 GMT
Retention = Business 101. Keeping a customer is a lot cheaper than going out to find a new one. In the past, with a city centre arena, new bums on seats might have been easy but just looking at crowds this year those days have gone. I couldn't really care less if crowds are smaller. Booking a place at a trough is easier, I don't miss an entire period getting a coke from the slowest staff in history, and it will possibly only take four hours to get in this Saturday with not even half the needed staff checking tickets with Chinese scanners, bags and Covid passports. My only concern is next years squad budget. Watching the Manchester/Guildford game for instance I'm pretty sure the Altringham staff could have given everyone there a lift in easily. Most of the hockey teams in the EIHL couldn't sell water in a desert. I'm surprised that there isn't some business school somewhere using a module on the EIHL on how to run a business so badly. |
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