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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 29, 2021 21:50:58 GMT
Yikes....that was a tough watch! Can't say much else compared to what others have said but if was so so bad,completely outplayed,outmuscled...the difference was frightening. We need some roster changes now before it's too late. Who would you change? We still have an import spot open plus players injured for who we can bring in a replacement, so at this point we shouldn't get rid of any imports...yet. I'd bring in 1 D-man and 1 forward. One thing I'm curious about is the 'wage cap' that has been alluded to at various points this year. I'm hoping based on tonight's showing we've got spare to spend, because the idea that our lineup and the Giants cost the same is terrifying.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 29, 2021 21:51:51 GMT
First thing we should do is complete the other side of the injury reserve and bring in a couple of fill-ins for Carozza (import #13) and Lee (replace with import #14). They might even end up being worth keeping.
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Post by Bagheera on Oct 29, 2021 21:58:16 GMT
Kevin Carr?
Thought he had a very good start, I hoped he'd prove to be more consistent this time around. For me it appears it's same as last time though, looks a world beater 1 night, a liability another. Cant see him being changed but still dont think he is a championship winning goalie.
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Oct 29, 2021 22:07:53 GMT
Kevin Carr? Thought he had a very good start, I hoped he'd prove to be more consistent this time around. For me it appears it's same as last time though, looks a world beater 1 night, a liability another. Cant see him being changed but still dont think he is a championship winning goalie. I think he got a bad bounce tonight with the first but he almost seemed put out by the trapezoid rule tonight? Had no idea where his crease was either, still made a couple of excellent saves but yeah an off night. But given what was in front of him, meh least of our concerns I think at the moment.
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Post by jd on Oct 29, 2021 22:22:23 GMT
Kevin Carr? Thought he had a very good start, I hoped he'd prove to be more consistent this time around. For me it appears it's same as last time though, looks a world beater 1 night, a liability another. Cant see him being changed but still dont think he is a championship winning goalie. He reminded me of Miika tonight around his posts. One of the goals was a joke
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Post by iginla on Oct 29, 2021 22:23:36 GMT
But we qualified for the quarter finals of the CUP eh? I think we'd make it either way given the format 🤣 With that format,as daft as it sounds it is possible to lose all 8 group games and still go through to the quarter finals. Utterly ridiculous format !
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Post by nottinghamsenator on Oct 29, 2021 22:30:11 GMT
I think we'd make it either way given the format 🤣 With that format,as daft as it sounds it is possible to lose all 8 group games and still go through to the quarter finals. Utterly ridiculous format ! Manchester doing their best to test that out this year!
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Post by nightwish on Oct 30, 2021 6:57:48 GMT
Well that was painful…..
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Oct 30, 2021 7:24:14 GMT
Tbh last night has been signposted over the (few) matches I've seen. Dmen giving up the zone too easily to quick passing forwards and chasing the puck. Forwards only half heartedly back checking then dumping the puck on a line change so next shift starts on the back foot. No real invention going forward, but most of our forwards are grinders, wouldnt have made it on to Belfast's 4th line. You could easily replace the whole set of forwards. I said on the way out this is the worst team I've seen in many years. But they were totally outplayed by a skilled and efficient Giants side.
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Post by DMS on Oct 30, 2021 7:57:24 GMT
Winning hides faults, people said it was a great game vs Steelers… it wasn’t people just enjoyed the win, in reality only had a good 20 mins vs Cardiff & I’m still unsure how we beat Flames, this is our 4th poor performance in a row at home & got what we deserved unfortunately.
We are constantly getting caught out leaving a man open at the back door/far side and it seemed as if Belfast had that scouted from the off. Belfast weren’t outstanding just an efficient performance that we made very easy for them.
I was disappointed in Carr’s reaction to the first goal. It was just one of those things that happen but after 29 seconds he should just shrugged it off and got on with it but laying face down for a prolonged time as if it had cost us the playoff final with only seconds left gave the impression of how the game was going to go.
Toussignant is becoming increasingly frustrating to me. He is trying to play the irritant, “tough guy” (lol) but he is just so in effective at the role, doesn’t draw penalties and isn’t an intimidating force on the ice at all. He’s an ineffective import Robert farmer for me at this point. I know he’s semi retired but I’d 100% take farmer to do that role for us over MT at this point.
The lack of strength we have on the puck is so disheartening. We are out muscled so frequently that we struggle to get a good footing.
Hopefully we have a good turn around today against devils though and give us some positives to take into next week… it’s going to be tough already being short benched (others have already hit the nail on the head on this topic) but I don’t believe Cardiff have the same Aura they used to as they are starting again this year in a sense so fingers crossed for something to cheer about.
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Post by paddywack41 on Oct 30, 2021 9:07:23 GMT
As a Giants fan for the very first time in a long time I wasn't overly worried about going into Nottingham, a venue that I have felt cursed in a number of times. From watching the Giants against Cardiff a few weeks back I felt that they dominated that game and potentially could do the same against the Panthers. The question was always going to be whether or not they could get past a hot goalie. Certainly what could only be described as a Manchester Bounce of the boards gave the Giants momentum but I thought for the rest of the game Carr played a great game. It simply seemed to be that the Panthers just weren't up for the game tonight but suspect it might be different next game. If I was Nottingham I wouldn't be rushing too quickly into mass changes. A one of game no matter what the score should only be taken as that, a one off game. The measure of the team will be how they respond.
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Post by bobness on Oct 30, 2021 9:16:57 GMT
Exactly the above. Let’s see if there’s a pattern before we call for any wholesale changes. An off night is just that.
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Post by spik on Oct 30, 2021 9:27:03 GMT
Remember to put your clocks back tonight folks. Try 24 hours and we’ll go again.
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Post by spik on Oct 30, 2021 9:31:49 GMT
I think we'd make it either way given the format 🤣 With that format,as daft as it sounds it is possible to lose all 8 group games and still go through to the quarter finals. Utterly ridiculous format ! It is true if others also lost all eight too. So if Manchester are trying this idea they should give up now with the other teams having gained points.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2021 10:33:12 GMT
We still have an import spot open plus players injured for who we can bring in a replacement, so at this point we shouldn't get rid of any imports...yet. I'd bring in 1 D-man and 1 forward. One thing I'm curious about is the 'wage cap' that has been alluded to at various points this year. I'm hoping based on tonight's showing we've got spare to spend, because the idea that our lineup and the Giants cost the same is terrifying. If the Giants roster costs the same as ours the Adam Keefe is pure genius. This Giants team is going to steamroller a lot of teams this season when it gets into its stride.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2021 10:34:29 GMT
Exactly the above. Let’s see if there’s a pattern before we call for any wholesale changes. An off night is just that. Coaches are pretty limited with changes this year anyway and one or two changes wouldn't have made a big difference last night
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2021 10:57:43 GMT
Exactly the above. Let’s see if there’s a pattern before we call for any wholesale changes. An off night is just that. Coaches are pretty limited with changes this year anyway and one or two changes wouldn't have made a big difference last night They’re allowed seven changes aren’t they ? That’s half a team of imports,I’m surprised it’s actually that high if the purpose of the idea was to limit the bigger teams spending.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 30, 2021 11:14:54 GMT
We still have an import spot open plus players injured for who we can bring in a replacement, so at this point we shouldn't get rid of any imports...yet. I'd bring in 1 D-man and 1 forward. One thing I'm curious about is the 'wage cap' that has been alluded to at various points this year. I'm hoping based on tonight's showing we've got spare to spend, because the idea that our lineup and the Giants cost the same is terrifying. If the Giants roster costs the same as ours the Adam Keefe is pure genius. This Giants team is going to steamroller a lot of teams this season when it gets into its stride. It's a ceiling wage cap, teams don't have to spend the full amount. Their prerogative I guess.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2021 11:19:21 GMT
Coaches are pretty limited with changes this year anyway and one or two changes wouldn't have made a big difference last night They’re allowed seven changes aren’t they ? That’s half a team of imports,I’m surprised it’s actually that high if the purpose of the idea was to limit the bigger teams spending. I thought it was less but I can't see us making 7 changes
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2021 11:25:04 GMT
If the Giants roster costs the same as ours the Adam Keefe is pure genius. This Giants team is going to steamroller a lot of teams this season when it gets into its stride. It's a ceiling wage cap, teams don't have to spend the full amount. Their prerogative I guess. And do we know what the cap ceiling is set at ?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 30, 2021 11:27:26 GMT
If the Giants roster costs the same as ours the Adam Keefe is pure genius. This Giants team is going to steamroller a lot of teams this season when it gets into its stride. It's a ceiling wage cap, teams don't have to spend the full amount. Their prerogative I guess. The ceiling must be higher than I guessed as the Giants are not a cheap team
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2021 11:34:36 GMT
They’re allowed seven changes aren’t they ? That’s half a team of imports,I’m surprised it’s actually that high if the purpose of the idea was to limit the bigger teams spending. I thought it was less but I can't see us making 7 changes According to EIHL rules it says... “Nottingham have registered 13 non homegrown players therefore they are allowed to make up to 7 changes”. So basically each team is allowed to sign up to a maximum of 20 imports in a season. They best get cracking !
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Post by iginla on Oct 30, 2021 11:36:38 GMT
It's a ceiling wage cap, teams don't have to spend the full amount. Their prerogative I guess. The ceiling must be higher than I guessed as the Giants are not a cheap team If we knew the cap limit I don’t think it would be too hard to take a view whether the Giants had exceeded it.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 30, 2021 11:38:32 GMT
It's a ceiling wage cap, teams don't have to spend the full amount. Their prerogative I guess. And do we know what the cap ceiling is set at ? Actual numbers, no.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 30, 2021 11:39:52 GMT
It's a ceiling wage cap, teams don't have to spend the full amount. Their prerogative I guess. The ceiling must be higher than I guessed as the Giants are not a cheap team Ironically it was brought in to reign in the two other 'big' teams as they had spent significantly more than they had tended to in the past. It was felt the gap was getting too wide.
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