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Post by iginla on Oct 24, 2021 13:02:40 GMT
It wasn’t as full as you’d expect for a Sheffield game but I honestly think it’s down to the cup format. We’ve played Sheffield too many times already so the casual fans might not be interested and then a lot of season ticket holders are disillusioned with the format. Despite the lower than normal attendance I thought the atmosphere was great, drunken fools aside. Another point, we play Dundee at home on Sat 6th Nov, we then play Manchester at home the following day, Sun 7th Nov, in the cup. If they don’t introduce some more discounts and/or deals for that cup game than I think we could have an embarrassingly low attendance. Time for a revamp of the cup format. And yet Sheffield managed a good turn out last week against us. 7663 last week in Sheffield 5485 this week in Nottingham In other words Sheffield must have trousered some £30k ish extra from tickets alone for the same game. If this keeps up all season Wallace is going to be shopping at Aldi next year whilst Fox is in Selfridges !
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Post by John Casey on Oct 24, 2021 13:43:34 GMT
That was a great game of Ice Hockey. You can say what you want about the Cup Format but both teams and bot sets of supporters wanted that win badly. Must admit in the 3rd Period, I thought that after all the chances and saves by their Keeper (No way he faced 51 Shots though) that it would go true to form and that Sheffield will take a late oppertunity and get a winner also in O.T. (When they had a PP, I definitely thought that this was it) Boy, In was glad I was wrong. Great finish by Domingue in O.T. for the winner (Glad the opportunity fell to him) The Officials did something that united both teams (A rareity) by some dodgy calls. Can someone explain how Tousignant got a Too Many Men On The Ice Penalty after the Official opened up the door (He didn't break it open nor climb over it)Keeping in the winning habit is always a great thing especially with 2 tough games coming up. Don't know if Sheffield are playing tommorrow but this was a type of game that might wear them out for it. The reason would be for having touched the puck (been in play) but still classed as out of play - skate/s in the box I would assume. Cheers guys
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Post by John Casey on Oct 24, 2021 13:44:31 GMT
And yet Sheffield managed a good turn out last week against us. 7663 last week in Sheffield 5485 this week in Nottingham In other words Sheffield must have trousered some £30k ish extra from tickets alone for the same game. If this keeps up all season Wallace is going to be shopping at Aldi next year whilst Fox is in Selfridges ! How much were the tickets in Sheffield plus does it state how many freebies?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 13:47:32 GMT
And yet Sheffield managed a good turn out last week against us. 7663 last week in Sheffield 5485 this week in Nottingham In other words Sheffield must have trousered some £30k ish extra from tickets alone for the same game. If this keeps up all season Wallace is going to be shopping at Aldi next year whilst Fox is in Selfridges ! But if things carry on that projectile then things will get worse.. blacky will need to spend big to get the crowds back in.. that's what the giants have done this year as their crowds are never great. Wallace shopping in Aldi and fox in Selfridges was mentioned this year.. I guess bust was over priced for a posh shop eh amongst others! Norrish clearly VFM ...
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 13:51:01 GMT
And another game thread that descends into an attendance discussion.
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Post by John Casey on Oct 24, 2021 13:51:38 GMT
Yes he's a great pickup for them and I see a tubby netminder boarding a plane shortly. Never ever seen so many empty seats for a Steelers game (although we still managed to get a pair of particularly obnoxious drunks sat behind us). Sheffield are killing us on bums on seats. It wasn’t as full as you’d expect for a Sheffield game but I honestly think it’s down to the cup format. We’ve played Sheffield too many times already so the casual fans might not be interested and then a lot of season ticket holders are disillusioned with the format. Despite the lower than normal attendance I thought the atmosphere was great, drunken fools aside. Another point, we play Dundee at home on Sat 6th Nov, we then play Manchester at home the following day, Sun 7th Nov, in the cup. If they don’t introduce some more discounts and/or deals for that cup game than I think we could have an embarrassingly low attendance. Time for a revamp of the cup format. Regarding that Manchester game, I'm pretty sure that the Season Ticket holder period is over otherwise surely making it a League/Cup game would have been the way to go otherwise tickets should be £5 for Adults and Kids for a Quid. Surely the business side of the Arena would have seen sense that maybe a deal for the Arena for that game would be beneficial for them. If there was more people in the building, there should be more demand at the Concession Stands. I'm sure there will be many pages on it on the official match thread for that game.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 24, 2021 14:40:51 GMT
And another game thread that descends into an attendance discussion. It’s a bit of a worry when Black tells you that next years squad budget is a percentage of what has paid at the door.
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Post by wgray on Oct 24, 2021 14:47:59 GMT
And another game thread that descends into an attendance discussion. It’s a bit of a worry when Black tells you that next years squad budget is a percentage of what has paid at the door. The thing is we’ve got a team worth supporting. Hopefully as the season goes on attendances will pickup.
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Post by iginla on Oct 24, 2021 14:58:06 GMT
And another game thread that descends into an attendance discussion. Mmmm Where as the interesting posters like you never contribute anything constructive, you just sit back and read others posts and criticise anything negative written about your precious team ! What’s wrong with talking attendances, it’s far more relevant than your tripe !!!
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Post by iginla on Oct 24, 2021 15:02:18 GMT
And another game thread that descends into an attendance discussion. It’s a bit of a worry when Black tells you that next years squad budget is a percentage of what has paid at the door. He has always been adamant that is indeed his business model, he’s certainly said it on several occasions and it appears to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 15:14:17 GMT
Supposing crowds drop to 2,000. What sort of roster can you expect then? Like fife ?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 15:26:13 GMT
And another game thread that descends into an attendance discussion. Mmmm Where as the interesting posters like you never contribute anything constructive, you just sit back and read others posts and criticise anything negative written about your precious team ! What’s wrong with talking attendances, it’s far more relevant than your tripe !!! That's a bit rich coming from you. I only post on matches that I have seen, not on hearsay.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 24, 2021 15:46:22 GMT
It’s a bit of a worry when Black tells you that next years squad budget is a percentage of what has paid at the door. The thing is we’ve got a team worth supporting. Hopefully as the season goes on attendances will pickup. I genuinely hope so but this together with a 2021 match night experience would be the best shot of that happening.
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Post by wnothridge on Oct 24, 2021 15:47:05 GMT
At last night game, some kind person stole 3 hockey sticks from Barry Burts desk that someone had paid for. cctv will be checked so you would like to return them.
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Post by wgray on Oct 24, 2021 16:22:25 GMT
Supposing crowds drop to 2,000. What sort of roster can you expect then? Like fife ? Not a very good one, but that would be the same for Belfast’s and Sheffield’s if their’s dropped that low. Why would they drop that low in the first place?😂
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 16:28:09 GMT
I guess people find new things to do pal. I do worry for the long term future of the club and league tbh
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Post by wgray on Oct 24, 2021 17:19:12 GMT
I guess people find new things to do pal. I do worry for the long term future of the club and league tbh In the 18 month period where we’ve been away I think Panthers look to have lost some season ticket holders. I think as the season goes on attendances will pick up and next season we’ll be heading back to where we were. Hopefully by that point Covid will be something that everyone has learnt to live with, like the flu.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 24, 2021 17:33:14 GMT
Have Steelers lost fans like Panthers seem to?
If their attendances are down then the covid reason has merit, if not then.... hmm....
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Post by wgray on Oct 24, 2021 18:22:45 GMT
Have Steelers lost fans like Panthers seem to? If their attendances are down then the covid reason has merit, if not then.... hmm.... I wasn’t saying Covid was the main reason that our attendances are down. One point I will make though is that we do have quite an old fanbase in comparison to others, maybe we’ve got a lot of people staying away and being cautious. The club must believe this hence the introduction of consistent webcasts. The most likely reason though is that people will have found new hobbies/interests in those 18 months. If you look at the fixtures we’ve had so far though we’ve only had one home Saturday league game which was against Coventry. That attendance was 5238, that’s not a disgrace. Hopefully they rise as the season goes on.
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Post by Jord v4 on Oct 24, 2021 19:49:50 GMT
Have Steelers lost fans like Panthers seem to? If their attendances are down then the covid reason has merit, if not then.... hmm.... I wasn’t saying Covid was the main reason that our attendances are down. One point I will make though is that we do have quite an old fanbase in comparison to others, maybe we’ve got a lot of people staying away and being cautious. The club must believe this hence the introduction of consistent webcasts. The most likely reason though is that people will have found new hobbies/interests in those 18 months. If you look at the fixtures we’ve had so far though we’ve only had one home Saturday league game which was against Coventry. That attendance was 5238, that’s not a disgrace. Hopefully they rise as the season goes on. Potentially a myriad of reasons, yes. No doubt covid plays a part as does the scheduling & the match experience. Panthers can do something about one of those reasons.
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Post by bobness on Oct 24, 2021 20:27:34 GMT
7663 last week in Sheffield 5485 this week in Nottingham In other words Sheffield must have trousered some £30k ish extra from tickets alone for the same game. If this keeps up all season Wallace is going to be shopping at Aldi next year whilst Fox is in Selfridges ! The potential fallacy of your argument can be illustrated by the following. I know I can, with 100% certainty, create a business that will turnover potentially millions of pounds, next week. I'll sit in the market square selling tenners for a fiver. My turnover will be astronomical. But I won't be rich. The point is, attendances alone mean nothing. Most premier league football clubs get good attendances but haemorrhage money, for example. We don't know what the tickets have been sold for, if anything. All we know is there were bums on seats. At this point in time, meh. I'd rather have a solid 5500 paying customers than 4000 paying and 3500 freebies. The trick is to get 7500 paying customers every week. As a wise man once said, of all businesses. Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity, cash is king.
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Post by iginla on Oct 24, 2021 20:59:44 GMT
7663 last week in Sheffield 5485 this week in Nottingham In other words Sheffield must have trousered some £30k ish extra from tickets alone for the same game. If this keeps up all season Wallace is going to be shopping at Aldi next year whilst Fox is in Selfridges ! The potential fallacy of your argument can be illustrated by the following. I know I can, with 100% certainty, create a business that will turnover potentially millions of pounds, next week. I'll sit in the market square selling tenners for a fiver. My turnover will be astronomical. But I won't be rich. The point is, attendances alone mean nothing. Most premier league football clubs get good attendances but haemorrhage money, for example. We don't know what the tickets have been sold for, if anything. All we know is there were bums on seats. At this point in time, meh. I'd rather have a solid 5500 paying customers than 4000 paying and 3500 freebies. The trick is to get 7500 paying customers every week. As a wise man once said, of all businesses. Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity, cash is king. And for every free ticket that Steelers might hand out there is the same possibility that Panthers will do the same too. It wasn’t a Steelers £5 game last week therefore that is not a case here. Now bearing in mind that Sheffield were charging FULL normal ticket price this year for even pre season games it’s hard, very hard indeed to imagine that they would be giving anything free away for a game against Panthers. So for comparison on equal games look at the official EIHL Challenge Cup average attendance figures for this season...,,Steelers 6953 and Panthers 2743 plus add in the shockingly low Manchester game crowd Panthers were too embarrassed to state and even then it’s stiil poor. And finally,the reason football clubs haemorrhage money as you well know is because they pay absolutely stupid and ridiculous amounts of money they can’t afford in player wages.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 24, 2021 21:01:30 GMT
Seems the highlights are back to normal. First Steelers goal has ZERO buildup, just the shot. Also has the same issues from previous weeks with odd cuts. This seemed to be fixed in Wednesday's highlights, wondering if someone else edited those?
Also, Carr was adamant that Connolly dived to draw the penalty in OT. I had a rubbish view on the night but the replay looks clear as day. Connolly throws his legs up into the air after contact in a way that makes zero sense except as a dive. Hopefully the refs get a good look and remember that for future officiating.
6:19 for Connolly's theatrics
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Post by Yotes on Oct 24, 2021 21:09:18 GMT
6:19 for Connolly's theatrics Probably 2 each (tripping, unsportsmanlike), do they ever still call that? O'Connor-esque turnover for the winner.
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 24, 2021 21:12:52 GMT
The potential fallacy of your argument can be illustrated by the following. I know I can, with 100% certainty, create a business that will turnover potentially millions of pounds, next week. I'll sit in the market square selling tenners for a fiver. My turnover will be astronomical. But I won't be rich. The point is, attendances alone mean nothing. Most premier league football clubs get good attendances but haemorrhage money, for example. We don't know what the tickets have been sold for, if anything. All we know is there were bums on seats. At this point in time, meh. I'd rather have a solid 5500 paying customers than 4000 paying and 3500 freebies. The trick is to get 7500 paying customers every week. As a wise man once said, of all businesses. Turnover is vanity, profit is sanity, cash is king. And for every free ticket that Steelers might hand out there is the same possibility that Panthers will do the same too. It wasn’t a Steelers £5 game last week therefore that is not a case here. Now bearing in mind that Sheffield were charging FULL normal ticket price this year for even pre season games it’s hard, very hard indeed to imagine that they would be giving anything free away for a game against Panthers. So for comparison on equal games look at the official EIHL Challenge Cup average attendance figures for this season...,,Steelers 6953 and Panthers 2743 and that is a shocking stat. And finally,the reason football clubs haemorrhage money as you well know is because they pay absolutely stupid and ridiculous amounts of money they can’t afford in player wages. NOTE: The Average Attendance on the EIHL webpage is wrong because Panthers didn't give an attendance for the Storm game so it's being counted as zero!
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