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Post by messier1851 on Dec 15, 2021 11:22:05 GMT
More chance of signing Mick Holland.. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 15, 2021 14:51:28 GMT
Haha absolute no chance .. 🤣 The sort of player we used to watch 20 years ago mate. Strangely,Panthers afforded them back then on crowds of about 2000 less than they get now ! And nothing else has changed in 20 years?  This guy has a CV head and shoulders above almost anything else in the BISL, then or now. 30 years old, 700 NHL/KHL/AHL games, including 266 NHL games and 85 points.` If we managed to sign him, I'd be seriously impressed. The top 30 (yes, thirty) ISL scorers 20 years ago had 273 NHL games experience, and a combined 71 points, between all thirty of them. There's just no comparison, CV wise. With, granted, some notable exceptions, the facts are that the ISL mainly attracted career minor league players. And quite a few career goons. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 15:03:54 GMT
The sort of player we used to watch 20 years ago mate. Strangely,Panthers afforded them back then on crowds of about 2000 less than they get now ! And nothing else has changed in 20 years? This guy has a CV head and shoulders above almost anything else in the BISL, then or now. 30 years old, 700 NHL/KHL/AHL games, including 266 NHL games and 85 points.` If we managed to sign him, I'd be seriously impressed. The top 30 (yes, thirty) ISL scorers 20 years ago had 273 NHL games experience, and a combined 71 points, between all thirty of them. There's just no comparison, CV wise. With, granted, some notable exceptions, the facts are that the ISL mainly attracted career minor league players. And quite a few career goons. The reason why those players back then didn't have the NHL games under their belt was that they were still reaching the peak of their careers when they came in , they weren't in their mid 30s! Those career goons you allude to were far better than than some top 6 forwards you see in the league today. The difference is back then those top line forwards forwards went on to have great careers after leaving the UK not to some retirement home like now! I don't need stats to back up a discussion I have those two things in the front of my head to make me decide .. 😉 |
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Post by gordie on Dec 15, 2021 16:14:59 GMT
The reason why those players back then didn't have the NHL games under their belt was that they were still reaching the peak of their careers when they came in , they weren't in their mid 30s! I don't need stats to back up a discussion I have those two things in the front of my head to make me decide .. 😉 Mmmm. Just had a quick look at the stats from BISL days, and most of the ex NHL players retired immediately after playing in UK. Would be nice for you to rack the front of your head to tell us which players you are referring to. I'm pretty sure that most of them never played any more NHL games after playing in UK. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 16:57:26 GMT
The reason why those players back then didn't have the NHL games under their belt was that they were still reaching the peak of their careers when they came in , they weren't in their mid 30s! I don't need stats to back up a discussion I have those two things in the front of my head to make me decide .. 😉 Mmmm. Just had a quick look at the stats from BISL days, and most of the ex NHL players retired immediately after playing in UK. Would be nice for you to rack the front of your head to tell us which players you are referring to. I'm pretty sure that most of them never played any more NHL games after playing in UK. Did I say they went to play in the NHL.. most went into Europe such as the DEL and some back to the AHL.. One off the top of my head was Drouin .. he went straight to the DEL then onto the Liiga Bottom line is the standard back then is only a pipedream now pal |
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Post by bobness on Dec 15, 2021 17:04:21 GMT
The reason why those players back then didn't have the NHL games under their belt was that they were still reaching the peak of their careers when they came in , they weren't in their mid 30s! I don't need stats to back up a discussion I have those two things in the front of my head to make me decide .. 😉 Mmmm. Just had a quick look at the stats from BISL days, and most of the ex NHL players retired immediately after playing in UK. Would be nice for you to rack the front of your head to tell us which players you are referring to. I'm pretty sure that most of them never played any more NHL games after playing in UK. Sadly, I think you may be right. Reaching the peak of their career as a minor leaguer, that is. Then coming to the UK, playing a bit, then retiring. That's what happened to a lot of ISL players. You can trawl EP to find out. From the top 10 scorers in 01-02, most were on their way down the leagues (including top scorer Riehl), played a few years at similar levels, but generally broadly equivalent not greatly better (Berens, Ruff, Allison, Ceman) or nearing retirement (some might say "mid 30s", Brebant (38) Courtenay (34)). You could argue Drouin had a later career resurgence (played Liiga first at 30), but was ex NHL, signed from the ECHL; and Wallenberg played in the SEL after Panthers a couple of seasons, but sorry, the facts largely don't back up Pidge's assertions. If Pidge really knew what he was talking about, which I'm sure he does, he would know the 5 players who have played in the UK in the "modern era" (i.e. last 30 years), who really were on their way up the ladder, as evidenced by them playing in the UK then going on from the UK to make their debut in the NHL. It's my favourite piece of trivia, but given the amount of players who have played over here since the 90s, 5 is not a great number to hang your hat on. A tiny, tiny percentage. Also, two of them were goons at the NHL level, and one was a goalie who only ever played one game. None of them played a ton of games, but there are 5 of them. One is Finnish, and has played at the NIC later in his career too. One was 5 foot 6, and IMHO, one of the best players ever to play in the UK. No more clues. (Seriously, I bet Pidge knows, he'll have seen them all play.) I think a bit of rose-tinted viewing is happening here. The ISL had some great players, yes, but not very many were "at the peak of their career" when they came to Britain. I'm struggling to find too many who have the kind of CV Holland has. FYI, Holland has more NHL games than even the mighty Jim Paek. Over to you Pidge. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 15, 2021 17:07:53 GMT
Mmmm. Just had a quick look at the stats from BISL days, and most of the ex NHL players retired immediately after playing in UK. Would be nice for you to rack the front of your head to tell us which players you are referring to. I'm pretty sure that most of them never played any more NHL games after playing in UK. Did I say they went to play in the NHL.. most went into Europe such as the DEL and some back to the AHL.. One off the top of my head was Drouin .. he went straight to the DEL then onto the Liiga Bottom line is the standard back then is only a pipedream now pal I'll give you Drouin, of course, possibly Wallenberg as well (above), but one swallow does not a summer make. The vast majority did not play "up" any leagues after playing in the UK. It was a fine standard, totally agree, but you can't run a league with 5 teams... Think how many times we'd have to play Steelers, for a start. |
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2021 17:09:57 GMT
The sort of player we used to watch 20 years ago mate. Strangely,Panthers afforded them back then on crowds of about 2000 less than they get now ! And nothing else has changed in 20 years? This guy has a CV head and shoulders above almost anything else in the BISL, then or now. 30 years old, 700 NHL/KHL/AHL games, including 266 NHL games and 85 points.` If we managed to sign him, I'd be seriously impressed. The top 30 (yes, thirty) ISL scorers 20 years ago had 273 NHL games experience, and a combined 71 points, between all thirty of them. There's just no comparison, CV wise. With, granted, some notable exceptions, the facts are that the ISL mainly attracted career minor league players. And quite a few career goons. Well I only started watching Panthers a bit in 2001 and got my first season ticket in 2002. It’s not all about forwards,it’s Dmen too and the all round game. Panthers defence in my first full season,sadly the last year of the BISL was Jimmy Paek, Eric Charon,Marc Hussey, Briane Thompson and Kristian Taubert with Mike Pietela in goal. Are you seriously telling me you wouldn’t swop this years whole current Panthers D for that 2002 one ? |
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2021 17:12:37 GMT
Mmmm. Just had a quick look at the stats from BISL days, and most of the ex NHL players retired immediately after playing in UK. Would be nice for you to rack the front of your head to tell us which players you are referring to. I'm pretty sure that most of them never played any more NHL games after playing in UK. Did I say they went to play in the NHL.. most went into Europe such as the DEL and some back to the AHL.. One off the top of my head was Drouin .. he went straight to the DEL then onto the Liiga Bottom line is the standard back then is only a pipedream now pal Eric Charron,in my opinion the best defensive shut down Dman I’ve ever seen went to Russia after his year at Panthers. |
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Post by bobness on Dec 15, 2021 17:16:41 GMT
And nothing else has changed in 20 years? This guy has a CV head and shoulders above almost anything else in the BISL, then or now. 30 years old, 700 NHL/KHL/AHL games, including 266 NHL games and 85 points.` If we managed to sign him, I'd be seriously impressed. The top 30 (yes, thirty) ISL scorers 20 years ago had 273 NHL games experience, and a combined 71 points, between all thirty of them. There's just no comparison, CV wise. With, granted, some notable exceptions, the facts are that the ISL mainly attracted career minor league players. And quite a few career goons. Well I only started watching Panthers a bit in 2001 and got my first season ticket in 2002. It’s not all about forwards,it’s Dmen too and the all round game. Panthers defence in my first full season,sadly the last year of the BISL was Jimmy Park, Eric Charon,Marc Hussey, Briane Thompson and Kristian Taubert with Mike Pietela in goal. Are you seriously telling me you wouldn’t swop this years whole current Panthers D for that 2002 one ? Of course not (although there were only 5 of them...) but that wasn't the question, was it? |
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Post by bobness on Dec 15, 2021 17:17:40 GMT
Did I say they went to play in the NHL.. most went into Europe such as the DEL and some back to the AHL.. One off the top of my head was Drouin .. he went straight to the DEL then onto the Liiga Bottom line is the standard back then is only a pipedream now pal Eric Charron,in my opinion the best defensive shut down Dman I’ve ever seen went to Russia after his year at Panthers. With you all the way here. Wonderful player, one of the best ever in the black and gold. Quiet, assured, calm. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 17:42:50 GMT
You'll do well to see a better pairing than charron and Paek in 02/03 .
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Post by messier1851 on Dec 15, 2021 17:53:43 GMT
Eric Charron,in my opinion the best defensive shut down Dman I’ve ever seen went to Russia after his year at Panthers. With you all the way here. Wonderful player, one of the best ever in the black and gold. Quiet, assured, calm. He was tough as teak too, although given the amount of muscle on that roster he rarely had to show it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 17:58:20 GMT
Tbh Briane Thompson was one player you didn't want to get on the wrong side of.. I remember him going after Kory Karlander of Belfast (another superb player) Karlander quickly regretted it not that he had much choice lol
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Post by bobness on Dec 15, 2021 18:28:59 GMT
Tbh Briane Thompson was one player you didn't want to get on the wrong side of.. I remember him going after Kory Karlander of Belfast (another superb player) Karlander quickly regretted it not that he had much choice lol In my memory, he had a long fuse, but you certainly knew when he'd reached the end of it? |
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Post by kievthegreat on Dec 15, 2021 18:33:25 GMT
More games postponed. This time Devils vs Stars after "Dundee Stars have been placed in EIHL Covid Protocol".
EDIT: Only 1 hour before face-off! Bet Stars are glad they travelled 10 hours and THEN found out they had Covid!
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Post by gordie on Dec 15, 2021 18:54:39 GMT
Mmmm. Just had a quick look at the stats from BISL days, and most of the ex NHL players retired immediately after playing in UK. Would be nice for you to rack the front of your head to tell us which players you are referring to. I'm pretty sure that most of them never played any more NHL games after playing in UK. Did I say they went to play in the NHL.. most went into Europe such as the DEL and some back to the AHL.. One off the top of my head was Drouin .. he went straight to the DEL then onto the Liiga Bottom line is the standard back then is only a pipedream now pal I'll give you Drouin, who played one season in DEL then 2 in Liiga. Each team had at least 15+ imports for 7 ISL seasons and can only come up with one player. The likes of Dennis Vial, Ken Priestlay, Jim Paek, Derek Laxdal, Scott Levins, Dody Wood, Paul Kruse, Rob Nordmark (I could go on) all retired in UK or went to low level teams, as they were at the end of their careers. Successful players using ISL as a stepping stone - Sean Berens?, Patrik Wallenberg, Trevor Gallant - Only a few that mainly went to Europe for a season or two |
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2021 19:09:03 GMT
With you all the way here. Wonderful player, one of the best ever in the black and gold. Quiet, assured, calm. He was tough as teak too, although given the amount of muscle on that roster he rarely had to show it. I can’t remember who he hit but i remember Eric Charron lining up and hitting a player so hard in front of block 16/17 that if the glass wasn’t there the fella would have ended up in about row D. 😆 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 19:17:07 GMT
Did I say they went to play in the NHL.. most went into Europe such as the DEL and some back to the AHL.. One off the top of my head was Drouin .. he went straight to the DEL then onto the Liiga Bottom line is the standard back then is only a pipedream now pal I'll give you Drouin, who played one season in DEL then 2 in Liiga. Each team had at least 15+ imports for 7 ISL seasons and can only come up with one player. The likes of Dennis Vial, Ken Priestlay, Jim Paek, Derek Laxdal, Scott Levins, Dody Wood, Paul Kruse, Rob Nordmark (I could go on) all retired in UK or went to low level teams, as they were at the end of their careers. Successful players using ISL as a stepping stone - Sean Berens?, Patrik Wallenberg, Trevor Gallant - Only a few that mainly went to Europe for a season or two Christian Sjorgren .. he went back to the SHL. Jeff Ulmer who was a sensation at Cardiff (first time) and went onto New York Rangers affiliate team I believe |
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Post by wgray on Dec 15, 2021 20:16:50 GMT
More games postponed. This time Devils vs Stars after "Dundee Stars have been placed in EIHL Covid Protocol". EDIT: Only 1 hour before face-off! Bet Stars are glad they travelled 10 hours and THEN found out they had Covid! What is going on? That makes no sense. |
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2021 20:18:38 GMT
I'll give you Drouin, who played one season in DEL then 2 in Liiga. Each team had at least 15+ imports for 7 ISL seasons and can only come up with one player. The likes of Dennis Vial, Ken Priestlay, Jim Paek, Derek Laxdal, Scott Levins, Dody Wood, Paul Kruse, Rob Nordmark (I could go on) all retired in UK or went to low level teams, as they were at the end of their careers. Successful players using ISL as a stepping stone - Sean Berens?, Patrik Wallenberg, Trevor Gallant - Only a few that mainly went to Europe for a season or two Christian Sjorgren .. he went back to the SHL. Jeff Ulmer who was a sensation at Cardiff (first time) and went onto New York Rangers affiliate team I believe Hey Pidge,you’re forgetting Jeff Sebastian,he went to the DEL (not sure how though) and so did Kent Simpson and Shayne McCosh. There’s lots of players went bigger places from the BISL. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 20:19:13 GMT
Probably can't afford to do regular PCR tests!
It's a utter farce!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 20:21:11 GMT
Christian Sjorgren .. he went back to the SHL. Jeff Ulmer who was a sensation at Cardiff (first time) and went onto New York Rangers affiliate team I believe Hey Pidge,you’re forgetting Jeff Sebastian,he went to the DEL (not sure how though) and so did Kent Simpson and Shayne McCosh. There’s lots of players went bigger places from the BISL. Mccosh went to the DEL .. cracking D Man as was Simpson.. we've now named a few players .. that's quite a few players more than who make the step up today from this league that's for certain! |
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2021 20:24:05 GMT
Panthers v Devils and Dundee and Steelers v Giants double header games all now postponed.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2021 20:31:09 GMT
Panthers v Devils and Dundee and Steelers v Giants double header games all now postponed. Ouch |
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