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Post by Luca Toni on Mar 21, 2007 23:15:26 GMT
Exactly. And I hope all the trolls from other clubs are reading this so if it happens we all know where Panthers fans said it would be wrong, as in the case of Sheffield/Cardiff and the Phillips'.
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Post by Shaggy on Mar 21, 2007 23:55:29 GMT
Definitely a conflict of interest that should be avoided...
Can't see Bracknell making the jump up to the EIHL next season anyway... maybe not even the season after that. I'd love to have them in the same league as us again, but they've got an awful lot of local derbies down there to bring the cash in... and it has been mentioned on THF that they allegedly lost £30k this season (which is, at least, down from the £97k they were supposed to have lsot the previous season). With those kind of figures... might be a bit of a gamble. Hull did it, but then they were stuck far north of almost all of the rest of the EPIHL... travel costs must have beena nightmare for them.
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Post by Doom on Mar 22, 2007 7:56:02 GMT
So let's assume the league do decide that an owner (and his family) can only own one club.
Bob Phillips decides that his priority is Sheffield and therefore he puts Cardiff up for sale.
If there are no takers for the running of the Cardiff Devils, I take it you folks would be quite happy to see him fold the Devils.
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Post by LUFC on Mar 22, 2007 8:04:19 GMT
In a case like that the league should step in and run the club as a neutral until a new owner could be found. Thus Phillips would effectivly still own the club but it's day to day running is ran by the hopefully neutral league representatives.
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Post by Shaggy on Mar 22, 2007 8:17:15 GMT
So let's assume the league do decide that an owner (and his family) can only own one club. Bob Phillips decides that his priority is Sheffield and therefore he puts Cardiff up for sale. If there are no takers for the running of the Cardiff Devils, I take it you folks would be quite happy to see him fold the Devils. Regards Doom Don't be silly, Doom - you know none of us would be happy to see that... you're just stirring it. How attitudes change up the M1... I still remember the self-righteous digs from some of your lot about (in the ISL days) Neil Black allegedly having a (minority, non-voting) share in the Manchester Storm. As I recall, there was disquiet amongst our lot at even that... and that's a far cry from this particular situation, isn't it?
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Post by Luca Toni on Mar 22, 2007 9:19:34 GMT
Let's not be too hasty with Doom. He raises a foreseeable consequence of what some of us have been saying, or implying, when we say the same people should not run or own more than one club. From my own point of view I can envisage such a situation and am not going to pretend the consequence sdoes not exist. So, yes, if the rule was brought in you have to follow where it leads and if that meant a club had no legitimate owner then what follows, follows. Commercial hockey must be commercially viable. Ask Phillips or Black, they'll tell you the same thing.
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Post by Doom on Mar 22, 2007 13:24:07 GMT
So let's assume the league do decide that an owner (and his family) can only own one club. Bob Phillips decides that his priority is Sheffield and therefore he puts Cardiff up for sale. If there are no takers for the running of the Cardiff Devils, I take it you folks would be quite happy to see him fold the Devils. Regards Doom Don't be silly, Doom - you know none of us would be happy to see that... you're just stirring it. How attitudes change up the M1... I still remember the self-righteous digs from some of your lot about (in the ISL days) Neil Black allegedly having a (minority, non-voting) share in the Manchester Storm. As I recall, there was disquiet amongst our lot at even that... and that's a far cry from this particular situation, isn't it? Shaggy, I really don't care what Jo from up the M1 has said in the past, we're talking about the here and now and the current situation we find ourselves in. For what it's worth, I don't particularly like the idea of Bob's family having two clubs, because not only is it a conflict of interests, but I'd also prefer them to concentrate 100% on the Steelers. What we're talking about is the alternatives and I don't see any decent suggestions from you. I'd like to think Bob will sell the club, but what I don't want is: 1. It to be sold to the wrong person or 2. Bob to fold the Devils because there are no alternatives. At the moment I'm guessing there are no worthy potential investors for the Devils, so the alternative is either to carry on as we are or fold the Devils. I'm sure you'd all prefer to live with the current situation in the short term, I know I certainly would. Somebody above suggested the league running the Devils, I believe we have had a similar situation to that in the past, but let's be honest, the league are struggling to run their own affairs properly at the moment, never mind the additional responsibility of running a club. I have read in the past that Bob Phillip's wants to get Cardiff settled in their new home before he sells them to a 3rd party, how much truth there is in that I don't know, but it would seem the sensible thing to do in the short term. Perhaps we can all break open our piggy banks and club together to buy the Devils....anybody fancy running a hockey club? ;D Regards Doom
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Post by gazzathedevil on Mar 22, 2007 17:29:12 GMT
I have read in the past that Bob Phillip's wants to get Cardiff settled in their new home before he sells them to a 3rd party, how much truth there is in that I don't know, but it would seem the sensible thing to do in the short term. Perhaps we can all break open our piggy banks and club together to buy the Devils....anybody fancy running a hockey club? ;D Regards Doom Dont know where you would have read that doom. Also to be honest im a little upset at the tone of some postings that seem to make a second rate hockey club out of cardiff, why would bob sell Cardiff first and Sheffield second? surely there is an option of folding ssheffield in these hypotheticals? Or am i just being to oversensitive? (again! ;D) Personally i tink if we can prosper in the 5 years before the Super arena is built down the bay i think we can be a really strong force in the Elite league we are hitting the right strides we haev the right people coming on board at Cardiff slowly and thigns are looking brighter. There is a real positive feel arond the place that hasnt been there before since we moved in. Also its to my understanding Mike Ellis has no logner any stake in Bracknell.
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Post by texpef on Mar 23, 2007 9:40:36 GMT
Gazza, to be honest imho its all about the cash, BP has the potential to make far more money in sheffield than he has in cardiff (here and now, not sure if and when the "super" arena is built). If he has to sell one club then i suspect the bottom line would dictate it to be cardiff...
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Post by MP on Mar 23, 2007 10:17:52 GMT
If he has to sell one club then i suspect the bottom line would dictate it to be cardiff... That would be difficult seeing as Bob doesn't own Cardiff............
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Post by texpef on Mar 23, 2007 11:09:08 GMT
oh come on now MP lets NOT start on that one AGAIN.... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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