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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 2, 2022 12:45:07 GMT
Panthers should be looking at the play offs,that’s what teams do,bulk up,but if you don’t even try then what message does that send. One or two players can make a huge difference,look at what happened when Panthers brought in Lepine and Kelsey Wilson,it totally transformed the team. Panthers are going to be missing Lane for a while, Domingue is well just like a revolving door and Hedberg is a waste of space. It’s typical Panthers,sit tight,do nowt,wait for next year then do exactly the same thing again !!! 🙄 Exactly panthers have always been reactive and not proactive like other teams . Have to say since they lost Gary this side of things have declined to shocking levels of apathy. Gary wouldn't allow what's happening now How was Gary involved in the on ice side? Please explain this one to the audience.
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Post by bobness on Mar 2, 2022 12:55:57 GMT
Exactly panthers have always been reactive and not proactive like other teams . Have to say since they lost Gary this side of things have declined to shocking levels of apathy. Gary wouldn't allow what's happening now How was Gary involved in the on ice side? Please explain this one to the audience. I was wondering that too. GM was off ice, as far as I could ever tell. And given the high esteem GM was held in by some, it sounds a bit false to bring him into it in such a toe-curling way. From just under 3 years ago. "I wish GD would become our GM and completely replace Moran. If they want the club to move on this has to happen!"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 12:56:13 GMT
In the past when things were fading out (predictably) after a failed league campaign they always brought a ringer in the run up to the post season... Gary had a big influence in it .. since he's left us there's no effort whatsoever even for the playoffs . . And I believe in coincidence
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 12:57:20 GMT
How was Gary involved in the on ice side? Please explain this one to the audience. I was wondering that too. GM was off ice, as far as I could ever tell. And given the high esteem GM was held in by some, it sounds a bit false to bring him into it in such a toe-curling way. From just under 3 years ago. "I wish GD would become our GM and completely replace Moran. If they want the club to move on this has to happen!" So instead of him stealing a wage as the DOH you want him to steal a wage as GM? nice one 👍
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 2, 2022 13:35:24 GMT
Gary had a big influence in it Examples with Gary's 'big influence'?
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 2, 2022 13:38:21 GMT
How was Gary involved in the on ice side? Please explain this one to the audience. I was wondering that too. GM was off ice, as far as I could ever tell. And given the high esteem GM was held in by some, it sounds a bit false to bring him into it in such a toe-curling way. From just under 3 years ago. "I wish GD would become our GM and completely replace Moran. If they want the club to move on this has to happen!" He was totally off ice related, had absolutely zero impact on the on ice side for the past few years, you have to go back to CN's later years to find any impact he had. But I love a good yarn so let's investigate further.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 13:53:51 GMT
I was wondering that too. GM was off ice, as far as I could ever tell. And given the high esteem GM was held in by some, it sounds a bit false to bring him into it in such a toe-curling way. From just under 3 years ago. "I wish GD would become our GM and completely replace Moran. If they want the club to move on this has to happen!" He was totally off ice related, had absolutely zero impact on the on ice side for the past few years, you have to go back to CN's later years to find any impact he had. But I love a good yarn so let's investigate further. So he did have on ice influence then?
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Post by bobness on Mar 2, 2022 13:55:10 GMT
I was wondering that too. GM was off ice, as far as I could ever tell. And given the high esteem GM was held in by some, it sounds a bit false to bring him into it in such a toe-curling way. From just under 3 years ago. "I wish GD would become our GM and completely replace Moran. If they want the club to move on this has to happen!" So instead of him stealing a wage as the DOH you want him to steal a wage as GM? nice one 👍 No, that was a quote from you.
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 2, 2022 14:03:33 GMT
It's amazing how our opinions change over time isn't it. But that's the joy of hockey and life right, evolution? Beteridge is 4th line. Rheult with perlini and Golovkovs *Herr 2nd line* ...
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Post by wgray on Mar 2, 2022 15:00:14 GMT
I agree, we should have at least brought 1 player in to try and improve the team and I’m disappointed that we haven’t. We’ve not been in any sort of title challenge at all this season, we’ve not even managed to do our usual trick of doing well until December and then imploding.
I’m not sure what I was expecting though, we didn’t try and improve the team before our Cup semi final so why would we improve it before the end of the deadline, with the focus being on the playoffs?
I’m fed up of talking about and questioning the reasons why our recruitment has panned out the way it has this season, it’s been a complete mess.
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Post by bobness on Mar 2, 2022 15:24:43 GMT
I agree, we should have at least brought 1 player in to try and improve the team and I’m disappointed that we haven’t. We’ve not been in any sort of title challenge at all this season, we’ve not even managed to do our usual trick of doing well until December and then imploding. I’m not sure what I was expecting though, we didn’t try and improve the team before our Cup semi final so why would we improve it before the end of the deadline, with the focus being on the playoffs? I’m fed up of talking about and questioning the reasons why our recruitment has panned out the way it has this season, it’s been a complete mess. I literally could not have put it better myself. What should (for me, anyway) have been a team capable of at least being in with a shout 2/3rds of the way through the season has turned out not to be at all. Steelers went for a lot of known quantity players with the odd gem like Latal and picked the golden oldie Polak up late, who's been excellent. Giants picked up some frankly sensational players who've been stellar. How they did it within the wage cap I don't know... Both teams have proved that good "total" D and a couple of "special" forwards are what you need to mount a challenge. Cardiff aren't far behind, despite it being something of a transition year for them. A couple of high quality players in there too. Panthers have had a season like Suzuki had in MotoGP, I think. They stayed similar, which was pretty good "then", but the others got much better, so you're (literally in Suzuki's case) in their slipstream all season. The Finns didn't work, for reasons no-one knows, and the early injuries didn't help, but that's not the reason. Frustrating isn't the word.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 2, 2022 15:34:45 GMT
He was totally off ice related, had absolutely zero impact on the on ice side for the past few years, you have to go back to CN's later years to find any impact he had. But I love a good yarn so let's investigate further. So he did have on ice influence then? Back in 2014, yes. Looking forward to your examples from that time.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 2, 2022 15:45:54 GMT
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Mar 2, 2022 16:07:43 GMT
I agree, we should have at least brought 1 player in to try and improve the team and I’m disappointed that we haven’t. We’ve not been in any sort of title challenge at all this season, we’ve not even managed to do our usual trick of doing well until December and then imploding. I’m not sure what I was expecting though, we didn’t try and improve the team before our Cup semi final so why would we improve it before the end of the deadline, with the focus being on the playoffs? I’m fed up of talking about and questioning the reasons why our recruitment has panned out the way it has this season, it’s been a complete mess. I literally could not have put it better myself. What should (for me, anyway) have been a team capable of at least being in with a shout 2/3rds of the way through the season has turned out not to be at all. Steelers went for a lot of known quantity players with the odd gem like Latal and picked the golden oldie Polak up late, who's been excellent. Giants picked up some frankly sensational players who've been stellar. How they did it within the wage cap I don't know... Both teams have proved that good "total" D and a couple of "special" forwards are what you need to mount a challenge. Cardiff aren't far behind, despite it being something of a transition year for them. A couple of high quality players in there too. Panthers have had a season like Suzuki had in MotoGP, I think. They stayed similar, which was pretty good "then", but the others got much better, so you're (literally in Suzuki's case) in their slipstream all season. The Finns didn't work, for reasons no-one knows, and the early injuries didn't help, but that's not the reason. Frustrating isn't the word. With no Kevin Schwantz or Joan Mir unfortunately
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 16:08:19 GMT
So he did have on ice influence then? Back in 2014, yes. Looking forward to your examples from that time. I don't need to give examples.. because I never gave a timeframe in the first place. Thanks 👍
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 16:09:49 GMT
I agree, we should have at least brought 1 player in to try and improve the team and I’m disappointed that we haven’t. We’ve not been in any sort of title challenge at all this season, we’ve not even managed to do our usual trick of doing well until December and then imploding. I’m not sure what I was expecting though, we didn’t try and improve the team before our Cup semi final so why would we improve it before the end of the deadline, with the focus being on the playoffs? I’m fed up of talking about and questioning the reasons why our recruitment has panned out the way it has this season, it’s been a complete mess. I literally could not have put it better myself. What should (for me, anyway) have been a team capable of at least being in with a shout 2/3rds of the way through the season has turned out not to be at all. Steelers went for a lot of known quantity players with the odd gem like Latal and picked the golden oldie Polak up late, who's been excellent. Giants picked up some frankly sensational players who've been stellar. How they did it within the wage cap I don't know... Both teams have proved that good "total" D and a couple of "special" forwards are what you need to mount a challenge. Cardiff aren't far behind, despite it being something of a transition year for them. A couple of high quality players in there too. Panthers have had a season like Suzuki had in MotoGP, I think. They stayed similar, which was pretty good "then", but the others got much better, so you're (literally in Suzuki's case) in their slipstream all season. The Finns didn't work, for reasons no-one knows, and the early injuries didn't help, but that's not the reason. Frustrating isn't the word. To summarize other teams have people in place who know what they are doing ! P.s. are you ready to be frustrated next year.. and the year after...
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 2, 2022 16:22:50 GMT
Back in 2014, yes. Looking forward to your examples from that time. I don't need to give examples.. because I never gave a timeframe in the first place. Thanks 👍 Next time I make a completely false & insipid statement with absolutely zero substance what-so-ever I'll try this response, cheers.
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 2, 2022 17:01:58 GMT
Have to say since they lost Gary this side of things have declined to shocking levels of apathy. Gary wouldn't allow what's happening now Actually the more I think about this statement the worse it actually reads. It's so far off the mark it's untrue. You either have no understanding of how the Panthers org. operates, despite being advised many times both on here & by the Panthers 'officially' themselves; or you were simply posting to complain & pick fault. Given your track record, especially recently, the latter would be the obvious reason. I find it difficult to comprehend the thought process of someone who criticises a man in a position or work as consistently for so long & then cites him as a reason for things not being so great after he is no longer involved. This is an act of hypocrisy, which is not a word I use lightly. This upsets me, Ian. You're better than this, much better.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 17:02:20 GMT
I don't need to give examples.. because I never gave a timeframe in the first place. Thanks 👍 Next time I make a completely false & insipid statement with absolutely zero substance what-so-ever I'll try this response, cheers. Well it's not false is it because you have pretty much backed it up 🤦 after all you are the oracle of the cage... I'm just waiting for the ahl winger too arrive...
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2022 17:06:58 GMT
Have to say since they lost Gary this side of things have declined to shocking levels of apathy. Gary wouldn't allow what's happening now Actually the more I think about this statement the worse it actually reads. It's so far off the mark it's untrue. You either have no understanding of how the Panthers org. operates, despite being advised many times both on here & by the Panthers 'officially' themselves; or you were simply posting to complain & pick fault. Given your track record, especially recently, the latter would be the obvious reason. I find it difficult to comprehend the thought process of someone who criticises a man in a position or work as consistently for so long & then cites him as a reason for things not being so great after he is no longer involved. This is an act of hypocrisy, which is not a word I use lightly. This upsets me, Ian. You're better than this, much better. The educated person would read it as Gary did more for the org than thought. He left a huge hole .. yes he wasn't everyone's cup of tea.. You can't really call people out for picking fault when you are as guilty as anyone .. yes hypocrosy indeed
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Post by Jord v4 on Mar 2, 2022 17:17:11 GMT
Actually the more I think about this statement the worse it actually reads. It's so far off the mark it's untrue. You either have no understanding of how the Panthers org. operates, despite being advised many times both on here & by the Panthers 'officially' themselves; or you were simply posting to complain & pick fault. Given your track record, especially recently, the latter would be the obvious reason. I find it difficult to comprehend the thought process of someone who criticises a man in a position or work as consistently for so long & then cites him as a reason for things not being so great after he is no longer involved. This is an act of hypocrisy, which is not a word I use lightly. This upsets me, Ian. You're better than this, much better. The educated person would read it as Gary did more for the org than thought. He left a huge hole .. yes he wasn't everyone's cup of tea.. You can't really call people out for picking fault when you are as guilty as anyone .. yes hypocrosy indeed Gary had no involvement in the on ice side, that ended when Corey quit playing. In the past few years since his unfortunate illness began he stepped back from most of his off ice activities & naturally became more of an onlooker. He had a presence in that side of course but it was inevitably diminishing as he concentrated on his health. How then could your statement have any fact in the slightest...?! Your words 'this side' were referring to the recruitment side, something that was completely & utterly nothing to do with him.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 2, 2022 17:44:01 GMT
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Post by blackandgold73 on Mar 2, 2022 21:32:26 GMT
The educated person would read it as Gary did more for the org than thought. He left a huge hole .. yes he wasn't everyone's cup of tea.. You can't really call people out for picking fault when you are as guilty as anyone .. yes hypocrosy indeed The educated person? Seriously? I'm not touching that troll bait in a million years. "We're all grown-ups, show proper respect to other posters."
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Post by bobness on Mar 2, 2022 21:45:43 GMT
Next time I make a completely false & insipid statement with absolutely zero substance what-so-ever I'll try this response, cheers. Well it's not false is it because you have pretty much backed it up 🤦 after all you are the oracle of the cage... I'm just waiting for the ahl winger too arrive... He’ll arrive when Latal departs and Herr plays on the second line. 👍
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Mar 4, 2022 17:42:14 GMT
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