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Post by Discoray on Apr 13, 2021 20:41:56 GMT
Blaze 4 Steelers 5, blaze pull the netminder and go 6 on 5 then 11 seconds to go the webcast crashes! 🤣🤣🤣 Brings whole new meeting to the term "crash the net".
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 13, 2021 22:17:33 GMT
Blaze 4 Steelers 5, blaze pull the netminder and go 6 on 5 then 11 seconds to go the webcast crashes! 🤣🤣🤣 Brings whole new meeting to the term "crash the net". It’s 2021. They should have brought someone on board who knew what they were talking about with streaming live video and then listen to them instead of going for cheap server hosts. Overall it’s been a good package let down by budget bolt-on hosting and annoyed huge numbers of fans/customers even playing in an empty arena. Live web streaming is so easy now yet they managed to find a 2015 option. What sort of Micky Mouse outfit has a game to test cameras and production without testing the host platform. It’s like trying to help your grandmother set up a Facebook account.
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Post by Discoray on Apr 13, 2021 22:29:09 GMT
It’s 2021. They should have brought someone on board who knew what they were talking about with streaming live video and then listen to them instead of going for cheap server hosts. Overall it’s been a good package let down by budget bolt-on hosting and annoyed huge numbers of fans/customers even playing in an empty arena. Live web streaming is so easy now yet they managed to find a 2015 option. What sort of Micky Mouse outfit has a game to test cameras and production without testing the host platform. It’s like trying to help your grandmother set up a Facebook account. Sadly have to agree, and the worst part is the years of small fry thinking is likely responsible. They severely underestimated just how many people were looking for a hockey fix, and the day 1 problems have likely put off for good a decent chunk of folk that have never seen EIHL hockey before, from ever going once it's possible to do so after getting burned on a crashing webcast.
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 14, 2021 7:25:23 GMT
Due diligence... Something the EIHL 'powers that be' know absolutely nothing about.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2021 9:09:29 GMT
It’s 2021. They should have brought someone on board who knew what they were talking about with streaming live video and then listen to them instead of going for cheap server hosts. Overall it’s been a good package let down by budget bolt-on hosting and annoyed huge numbers of fans/customers even playing in an empty arena. Live web streaming is so easy now yet they managed to find a 2015 option. What sort of Micky Mouse outfit has a game to test cameras and production without testing the host platform. It’s like trying to help your grandmother set up a Facebook account. Sadly have to agree, and the worst part is the years of small fry thinking is likely responsible. They severely underestimated just how many people were looking for a hockey fix, and the day 1 problems have likely put off for good a decent chunk of folk that have never seen EIHL hockey before, from ever going once it's possible to do so after getting burned on a crashing webcast. With the thinking that this was the way out to be able to start the season in September (anyone thinking that masks + social distancing inside rinks/arenas will not be still happening then is SERIOUSLY deluded), it was a huge mistake. The EIHL knows that some fans plus webcasts is the only way possible they should have really stepped up with this series to stop its inevitable slip back to the old EPL days.
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Post by bobness on Apr 14, 2021 11:54:18 GMT
Genuinely, what would cause the feed to crash 30 seconds from the end? Can't be all kinds of new people logging on, can it?
I would say that the EIHL now seem to have a problem. The problem is that they look like they've underestimated demand for their product. Most "businesses" would kill for that kind of problem currently.
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Post by bobness on Apr 14, 2021 11:59:22 GMT
Due diligence... Something the EIHL 'powers that be' know absolutely nothing about. Is it actually DD or is it another issue? What if the platform they chose was spot on for (say a figure to illustrate) 1000 viewers, which the EIHL thought was the amount they'd get, but wholly inadequate for 5000, which is what they did get, and which was beyond their wildest forecasts? Todd Kelman is a long way from stupid, I know that. Neither are at least some of the others at owner level.
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Post by kievthegreat on Apr 14, 2021 12:04:18 GMT
Due diligence... Something the EIHL 'powers that be' know absolutely nothing about. Is it actually DD or is it another issue? What if the platform they chose was spot on for (say a figure to illustrate) 1000 viewers, which the EIHL thought was the amount they'd get, but wholly inadequate for 5000, which is what they did get, and which was beyond their wildest forecasts? Todd Kelman is a long way from stupid, I know that. Neither are at least some of the others at owner level. TBF I'd cut them some slack for the opening night. It's possible that a significant number only started ordering in the half hour before streaming (it's when I'd normally do it) so getting caught out is potentially understandable. Any subsequent issues shouldn't be acceptable. You've basically stress tested what is likely the worst case (until maybe the playoff games), now just factor in a reasonable margin to be in the safe side.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2021 12:10:09 GMT
Genuinely, what would cause the feed to crash 30 seconds from the end? Can't be all kinds of new people logging on, can it? I would say that the EIHL now seem to have a problem. The problem is that they look like they've underestimated demand for their product. Most "businesses" would kill for that kind of problem currently. Even if they under-estimated demand they must have hoped that it would have been there. It's the core part of the business, working out demand. No trial then straight in with Panthers/Steelers game and it crashes = Just rookie night for something they have been doing for years as often as possible. It's just poorly thought out and it must have been on a budget and whoever was advising them needs to be booted asap. The EIHL knows that this type of streaming is the only way it's going to survive going forwards and the Zoom meeting where they worked out how cheap they could do it needs forgetting and they need another Zoom meeting now to find someone to make it work.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2021 12:13:09 GMT
Is it actually DD or is it another issue? What if the platform they chose was spot on for (say a figure to illustrate) 1000 viewers, which the EIHL thought was the amount they'd get, but wholly inadequate for 5000, which is what they did get, and which was beyond their wildest forecasts? Todd Kelman is a long way from stupid, I know that. Neither are at least some of the others at owner level. TBF I'd cut them some slack for the opening night. It's possible that a significant number only started ordering in the half hour before streaming (it's when I'd normally do it) so getting caught out is potentially understandable. Any subsequent issues shouldn't be acceptable. You've basically stress tested what is likely the worst case (until maybe the playoff games), now just factor in a reasonable margin to be in the safe side. It's their business. They have done this for years so to have more capacity in place isn't rocket science when the alternative is to reinforce the fact that they are as stupid as we all think they are live on pay per view. Live web streaming is only new to the EIHL as they are still in the stone age. The rest of the world manages it perfectly fine.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2021 12:19:01 GMT
Due diligence... Something the EIHL 'powers that be' know absolutely nothing about. Is it actually DD or is it another issue? What if the platform they chose was spot on for (say a figure to illustrate) 1000 viewers, which the EIHL thought was the amount they'd get, but wholly inadequate for 5000, which is what they did get, and which was beyond their wildest forecasts? Todd Kelman is a long way from stupid, I know that. Neither are at least some of the others at owner level. Tod Kelman did make a stupid mistake. Came on to apologize then tell us that he didn't want it to happen again... And then it did. If it had been the other way around last night and Sheffield were chasing an equalizer and the stream stopped with 11 seconds to go Twitter would have erupted again. Old men from another era trying to put on professional quality live webcasts to dig their businesses out of a bottomless pit. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 14, 2021 12:19:27 GMT
Due diligence... Something the EIHL 'powers that be' know absolutely nothing about. Is it actually DD or is it another issue? What if the platform they chose was spot on for (say a figure to illustrate) 1000 viewers, which the EIHL thought was the amount they'd get, but wholly inadequate for 5000, which is what they did get, and which was beyond their wildest forecasts? Todd Kelman is a long way from stupid, I know that. Neither are at least some of the others at owner level. Kelman isn't involved, but agree he is far from stupid. Yes. Common sense would be to secure a platform/server that comfortably takes in to account & also exceeds the perceived demand. Maybe they aren't at fault here though yes, could well be doing them a disservice. Certain EIHL owners are learn by doing, do the detriment of everyone else, no matter who the everyone are. Sometimes they forget the learning part as well. Just the way it is.
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Post by bobness on Apr 14, 2021 12:24:29 GMT
Genuinely, what would cause the feed to crash 30 seconds from the end? Can't be all kinds of new people logging on, can it? I would say that the EIHL now seem to have a problem. The problem is that they look like they've underestimated demand for their product. Most "businesses" would kill for that kind of problem currently. Even if they under-estimated demand they must have hoped that it would have been there. It's the core part of the business, working out demand. No trial then straight in with Panthers/Steelers game and it crashes = Just rookie night for something they have been doing for years as often as possible. It's just poorly thought out and it must have been on a budget and whoever was advising them needs to be booted asap. The EIHL knows that this type of streaming is the only way it's going to survive going forwards and the Zoom meeting where they worked out how cheap they could do it needs forgetting and they need another Zoom meeting now to find someone to make it work. It's core, yes, but it's also the most difficult. And "hoping" doesn't get you far. Sometimes, it's not how you fall down, it's how you get back up. I can't imagine anyone at EIHL Towers is overly happy just now, not just the people who've paid their money. I'd imagine someone is being asked very nicely how they are going to stop these things happening for the rest of the series. Now, if the same things continued happening once we get to the 21-22 season, that's when the Keystone Cops are called.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2021 12:35:02 GMT
Even if they under-estimated demand they must have hoped that it would have been there. It's the core part of the business, working out demand. No trial then straight in with Panthers/Steelers game and it crashes = Just rookie night for something they have been doing for years as often as possible. It's just poorly thought out and it must have been on a budget and whoever was advising them needs to be booted asap. The EIHL knows that this type of streaming is the only way it's going to survive going forwards and the Zoom meeting where they worked out how cheap they could do it needs forgetting and they need another Zoom meeting now to find someone to make it work. It's core, yes, but it's also the most difficult. And "hoping" doesn't get you far. Sometimes, it's not how you fall down, it's how you get back up. I can't imagine anyone at EIHL Towers is overly happy just now, not just the people who've paid their money. I'd imagine someone is being asked very nicely how they are going to stop these things happening for the rest of the series. Now, if the same things continued happening once we get to the 21-22 season, that's when the Keystone Cops are called. Instead of looking for "cheap" they should have been looking at what will "work". They are charging enough money to get exactly the sort of infrastructure that a live sports webcast needs and if the problem is just demand how come the next Steelers webcast crashed straight away for the Storm game? Did they cut back on the infrastructure again after the opening Panthers game? Then to lose the last 11 seconds of yesterday's game? That's just 100% down to cutting costs to the bone after customers have paid.
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Post by bobness on Apr 14, 2021 12:59:35 GMT
It's core, yes, but it's also the most difficult. And "hoping" doesn't get you far. Sometimes, it's not how you fall down, it's how you get back up. I can't imagine anyone at EIHL Towers is overly happy just now, not just the people who've paid their money. I'd imagine someone is being asked very nicely how they are going to stop these things happening for the rest of the series. Now, if the same things continued happening once we get to the 21-22 season, that's when the Keystone Cops are called. Instead of looking for "cheap" they should have been looking at what will "work". They are charging enough money to get exactly the sort of infrastructure that a live sports webcast needs and if the problem is just demand how come the next Steelers webcast crashed straight away for the Storm game? Did they cut back on the infrastructure again after the opening Panthers game? Then to lose the last 11 seconds of yesterday's game? That's just 100% down to cutting costs to the bone after customers have paid. Who knows? And that's my point. One explanation is that the EIHL are a bunch of incompetent shysters who would sell their grannies for a 50/50 ticket. That may suit some agendas, and may (frankly) actually be the truth, or not far from it. But there are a dozen other possible explanations, which put other people in the frame. And no sensible business would tolerate what's happening if it had power to do something. Unless we know, it's all speculation, though. The "free" Panthers vs Steelers game for initial subscribers is Friday. I suspect (and sincerely hope) they'll be pulling out all the stops to ensure that the initial issues are not repeated. See you Saturday morning?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2021 13:47:21 GMT
Instead of looking for "cheap" they should have been looking at what will "work". They are charging enough money to get exactly the sort of infrastructure that a live sports webcast needs and if the problem is just demand how come the next Steelers webcast crashed straight away for the Storm game? Did they cut back on the infrastructure again after the opening Panthers game? Then to lose the last 11 seconds of yesterday's game? That's just 100% down to cutting costs to the bone after customers have paid. Who knows? And that's my point. One explanation is that the EIHL are a bunch of incompetent shysters who would sell their grannies for a 50/50 ticket. That may suit some agendas, and may (frankly) actually be the truth, or not far from it. But there are a dozen other possible explanations, which put other people in the frame. And no sensible business would tolerate what's happening if it had power to do something. Unless we know, it's all speculation, though. The "free" Panthers vs Steelers game for initial subscribers is Friday. I suspect (and sincerely hope) they'll be pulling out all the stops to ensure that the initial issues are not repeated. See you Saturday morning? I really want this to work and work well both for the teams and the customers as I think this is the only way UK ice hockey survives post-COVID so lets hope they get it sorted out asap
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Post by iginla on Apr 14, 2021 14:14:26 GMT
Is it actually DD or is it another issue? What if the platform they chose was spot on for (say a figure to illustrate) 1000 viewers, which the EIHL thought was the amount they'd get, but wholly inadequate for 5000, which is what they did get, and which was beyond their wildest forecasts? Todd Kelman is a long way from stupid, I know that. Neither are at least some of the others at owner level. Kelman isn't involved, but agree he is far from stupid. Yes. Common sense would be to secure a platform/server that comfortably takes in to account & also exceeds the perceived demand. Maybe they aren't at fault here though yes, could well be doing them a disservice. Certain EIHL owners are learn by doing, do the detriment of everyone else, no matter who the everyone are. Sometimes they forget the learning part as well. Just the way it is. Kelman was announced as “Tournament Director” so that would suggest he is very heavily involved.
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 14, 2021 14:34:45 GMT
Kelman isn't involved, but agree he is far from stupid. Yes. Common sense would be to secure a platform/server that comfortably takes in to account & also exceeds the perceived demand. Maybe they aren't at fault here though yes, could well be doing them a disservice. Certain EIHL owners are learn by doing, do the detriment of everyone else, no matter who the everyone are. Sometimes they forget the learning part as well. Just the way it is. Kelman was announced as “Tournament Director” so that would suggest he is very heavily involved. This is brand new information, thank you. Add him to the stupid list then.
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Post by wannabe2 on Apr 14, 2021 14:38:01 GMT
Instead of looking for "cheap" they should have been looking at what will "work". They are charging enough money to get exactly the sort of infrastructure that a live sports webcast needs and if the problem is just demand how come the next Steelers webcast crashed straight away for the Storm game? Did they cut back on the infrastructure again after the opening Panthers game? Then to lose the last 11 seconds of yesterday's game? That's just 100% down to cutting costs to the bone after customers have paid. Who knows? And that's my point. One explanation is that the EIHL are a bunch of incompetent shysters who would sell their grannies for a 50/50 ticket. That may suit some agendas, and may (frankly) actually be the truth, or not far from it. But there are a dozen other possible explanations, which put other people in the frame. And no sensible business would tolerate what's happening if it had power to do something. Unless we know, it's all speculation, though. The "free" Panthers vs Steelers game for initial subscribers is Friday. I suspect (and sincerely hope) they'll be pulling out all the stops to ensure that the initial issues are not repeated. See you Saturday morning? I have had my freebie already Steelers v Storm, last week. Todd as said is involved, but he certainly don’t suffer fools gladly.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2021 14:47:08 GMT
Who knows? And that's my point. One explanation is that the EIHL are a bunch of incompetent shysters who would sell their grannies for a 50/50 ticket. That may suit some agendas, and may (frankly) actually be the truth, or not far from it. But there are a dozen other possible explanations, which put other people in the frame. And no sensible business would tolerate what's happening if it had power to do something. Unless we know, it's all speculation, though. The "free" Panthers vs Steelers game for initial subscribers is Friday. I suspect (and sincerely hope) they'll be pulling out all the stops to ensure that the initial issues are not repeated. See you Saturday morning? I have had my freebie already Steelers v Storm, last week. Todd as said is involved, but he certainly don’t suffer fools gladly. He must get on like a house on fire with the others at the EIHL then
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Post by Jord v4 on Apr 14, 2021 14:54:48 GMT
I have had my freebie already Steelers v Storm, last week. Todd as said is involved, but he certainly don’t suffer fools gladly. He must get on like a house on fire with the others at the EIHL then God darn the block feature, such an opportunity.
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Post by iginla on Apr 14, 2021 17:15:10 GMT
Rumour has it that the Panthers have been at the rink since 9am this morning on the off chance they’ll be ready for the start of tonight’s game. 🤣🤣
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Post by Bagheera on Apr 14, 2021 18:04:27 GMT
Well, same old story. 0-1 inside 2mins.
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Post by floridadad on Apr 14, 2021 18:06:01 GMT
Well, same old story. 0-1 inside 2mins. [br Hockey 101. Tie up your man
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Post by floridadad on Apr 14, 2021 18:12:21 GMT
Well, same old story. 0-1 inside 2mins. [br Hockey 101. Tie up your man These refs are as bad as the refs in Florida.
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