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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 8:43:13 GMT
Sounds to me from Blacks interview that they aren’t chancing wasting any money whatsoever until something is concrete and if the EIHL doesn’t start on the now planned Dec 5/6th then it won’t start at all. They aren't, no. Until something more clear cut is in the pipeline there's no player recruitment from Panthers. Some of the other let's say 'as big' clubs aren't too happy about this approach. Each to their own, when it suits.
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Post by texpef on Aug 6, 2020 9:20:58 GMT
Sounds to me from Blacks interview that they aren’t chancing wasting any money whatsoever until something is concrete and if the EIHL doesn’t start on the now planned Dec 5/6th then it won’t start at all. They aren't, no. Until something more clear cut is in the pipeline there's no player recruitment from Panthers. Some of the other let's say 'as big' clubs aren't too happy about this approach. Each to their own, when it suits. I cant say as a fan I am happy that others are recruiting and panthers aren't either... I do understand panthers approach and that a contract is worth little more than toilet paper right now but losing players such as perlini, herr and deutch will make for a very long season if it does go ahead in any shape or form and I believe the owners will make it happen even if its a shortened season as fans through the door is the only source of income for hockey as there is no tv/sponsorship of note...
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 6, 2020 9:22:42 GMT
Listening to Neil Black he didn’t say Panthers hasn’t signed anyone verbally, it seems a verbal agreement is what’s in motion, as he doesn’t want to announce anyone if the league don’t happen, or stand in anyone’s way should things change. Panthers obviously have a contingency plan, I think Devils signings are probably the same, but we have decided to announce them, six of one and half a dozen of the other. 4 months is still a long way off and anything can happen in between, we live in hope, stay safe everyone.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 9:30:55 GMT
They aren't, no. Until something more clear cut is in the pipeline there's no player recruitment from Panthers. Some of the other let's say 'as big' clubs aren't too happy about this approach. Each to their own, when it suits. I cant say as a fan I am happy that others are recruiting and panthers aren't either... I do understand panthers approach and that a contract is worth little more than toilet paper right now but losing players such as perlini, herr and deutch will make for a very long season if it does go ahead in any shape or form and I believe the owners will make it happen even if its a shortened season as fans through the door is the only source of income for hockey as there is no tv/sponsorship of note... Different owners, different ways of approaching the situation. Agree with you the prospects of having a team with any real quality or familiarity are lessened by Panthers approach but how far has having a plan got us recently? In the next few weeks I expect to see one or two players leave the EIHL shores for more guaranteed offers.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 6, 2020 9:37:56 GMT
Sounds to me from Blacks interview that they aren’t chancing wasting any money whatsoever until something is concrete and if the EIHL doesn’t start on the now planned Dec 5/6th then it won’t start at all. If they have to have things in place by next month then there is no chance
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 9:44:57 GMT
Listening to Neil Black he didn’t say Panthers hasn’t signed anyone verbally, it seems a verbal agreement is what’s in motion, as he doesn’t want to announce anyone if the league don’t happen, or stand in anyone’s way should things change. Panthers obviously have a contingency plan, I think Devils signings are probably the same, but we have decided to announce them, six of one and half a dozen of the other. 4 months is still a long way off and anything can happen in between, we live in hope, stay safe everyone. He also didn't say that unicorns don't exist.
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 6, 2020 10:24:02 GMT
Dundonald Ice Rink where the Giants train is re-opening tomorrow apparently.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 10:40:32 GMT
Sounds to me from Blacks interview that they aren’t chancing wasting any money whatsoever until something is concrete and if the EIHL doesn’t start on the now planned Dec 5/6th then it won’t start at all. If they have to have things in place by next month then there is no chance What do you expect to be in place by next Month? I presume your post was hypothetical and thus rhetorical.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Aug 6, 2020 11:07:20 GMT
If they have to have things in place by next month then there is no chance What do you expect to be in place by next Month? I presume your post was hypothetical and thus rhetorical. NB said they would have to plan from September to start in December and if they can’t start by December it won’t be viable to start the season.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 11:18:58 GMT
What do you expect to be in place by next Month? I presume your post was hypothetical and thus rhetorical. NB said they would have to plan from September to start in December and if they can’t start by December it won’t be viable to start the season. Ah, OK. I get you now. Apologies. Four months seems a while to prepare... But I guess by prepare NB is referring to the whole recruitment process as well which some of the other teams are way further ahead on. I really can't see a further confirmation on the December start date being possible in three weeks time so Panthers and the other teams yet to start their recruitment will have some pretty big decisions to make. As mentioned earlier these's some feeling from the other teams that not all is being done to get this thing going.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 11:38:23 GMT
If by some miracle a season does start in December then come October it won't be difficult to quickly assemble a team. Mike Blaisdell once said he could assemble team in a week if he wanted (in 01/02 it was 2 weeks) and they'll be plenty of quality available too. As it will be a shortened season they could pay quite a few players more anyway.
But there won't be a season so its all immaterial. NB is spot on with this approach btw.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 11:49:36 GMT
NB is spot on with this approach btw. Potentially... When you have owners with such evidently clear disparity as is being displayed now then the very structure of the league is under question. It's always been a Mickey Mouse concoction the EIHL. Owners and clubs themselves come & go with predictable hilarity. Why anyone would expect a cohesive decision from these same owners is a total mystery to me.
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Post by iginla on Aug 6, 2020 11:50:07 GMT
Sounds to me from Blacks interview that they aren’t chancing wasting any money whatsoever until something is concrete and if the EIHL doesn’t start on the now planned Dec 5/6th then it won’t start at all. If they have to have things in place by next month then there is no chance That’s right. Black said they needed two months notice,so to start Dec 5/6th they need the go ahead for crowds by end of September. The way things are spiking again now they’ve got no chance of that. Might as well cancel the season now.
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Post by Caesar on Aug 6, 2020 12:54:49 GMT
The only teams that have announced significant signings are Sheffield and Cardiff. Both of whom are supposedly playing in Europe. I cant see either of them being able to fulfill their Continental Cup/ CHL obligations at the minute but I do wonder if their signing announcements were made partly to appease the organisers of said competitions.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:55:22 GMT
NB is spot on with this approach btw. Potentially... When you have owners with such evidently clear disparity as is being displayed now then the very structure of the league is under question. It's always been a Mickey Mouse concoction the EIHL. Owners and clubs themselves come & go with predictable hilarity. Why anyone would expect a cohesive decision from these same owners is a total mystery to me. That's why we end up with a tinpot league when you have 9 owners all with their own views/plans etc instead of having them all reading off the same page and agreeing with each other this way and the league would be much stronger and just perhaps wouldn't rely so heavily on needing fans in attendance to survive.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 12:55:52 GMT
Hypothetically what would happen financially if this season did by some miracle get going in December & then there was a requirement to cancel in the New Year due to Covid..?!
The implications of this would be far too much for some clubs to bear surely.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 12:56:14 GMT
The only teams that have announced significant signings are Sheffield and Cardiff. Both of whom are supposedly playing in Europe. I cant see either of them being able to fulfill their Continental Cup/ CHL obligations at the minute but I do wonder if their signing announcements were made partly to appease the organisers of said competitions. Doubtful more like just to appease their own fans .. If Simms and Kelman had their way we'd have a 4 week season where as Sheffield, Nottingham, Belfast and Cardiff cram as many games as they can in against each other 🤣
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 12:57:14 GMT
The only teams that have announced significant signings are Sheffield and Cardiff. Both of whom are supposedly playing in Europe. I cant see either of them being able to fulfill their Continental Cup/ CHL obligations at the minute but I do wonder if their signing announcements were made partly to appease the organisers of said competitions. Perhaps, yes. Have other European teams in these comps made signings as well?
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Post by Caesar on Aug 6, 2020 12:59:05 GMT
The only teams that have announced significant signings are Sheffield and Cardiff. Both of whom are supposedly playing in Europe. I cant see either of them being able to fulfill their Continental Cup/ CHL obligations at the minute but I do wonder if their signing announcements were made partly to appease the organisers of said competitions. Perhaps, yes. Have other European teams in these comps made signings as well? To be honest, I have no idea. I'm not enough of a geek to start looking either 😂😂.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 12:59:33 GMT
Potentially... When you have owners with such evidently clear disparity as is being displayed now then the very structure of the league is under question. It's always been a Mickey Mouse concoction the EIHL. Owners and clubs themselves come & go with predictable hilarity. Why anyone would expect a cohesive decision from these same owners is a total mystery to me. That's why we end up with a tinpot league when you have 9 owners all with their own views/plans etc instead of having them all reading off the same page and agreeing with each other this way and the league would be much stronger and just perhaps wouldn't rely so heavily on needing fans in attendance to survive. Preaching to the converted here Pidge, yes. It's very obvious to any with working eyes and ears how farcical the structure is.
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Post by Jord v4 on Aug 6, 2020 13:02:28 GMT
Perhaps, yes. Have other European teams in these comps made signings as well? To be honest, I have no idea. I'm not enough of a geek to start looking either 😂😂. Don't put yourself down so easily. Have a look, for me. My realistic disposition on the subject requires the fuel.
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 6, 2020 13:37:20 GMT
Pidge if the Inferno is the Dandy , this forum is definately the Topper, it mainly consists of 4/5 completely negative people who’s main aim is take the Mickey out of the league, and its owners, and no 0ne could come close to topping you guys when it comes to moans and groans. It’s so amusing it’s farcical. Also Pidge the ECHL is hoping to start 4/5 Dec,and that also depends on no restrictions, got that from the horses mouth. Anyway keep up the moaning lads, I always loved the Allo Allo TV show, good Moaning. Stay safe.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2020 13:45:46 GMT
Pidge if the Inferno is the Dandy , this forum is definately the Topper, it mainly consists of 4/5 completely negative people who’s main aim is take the Mickey out of the league, and its owners, and no 0ne could come close to topping you guys when it comes to moans and groans. It’s so amusing it’s farcical. Also Pidge the ECHL is hoping to start 4/5 Dec,and that also depends on no restrictions, got that from the horses mouth. Anyway keep up the moaning lads, I always loved the Allo Allo TV show, good Moaning. Stay safe. That horses mouth wouldn't be your fantastic owner would it? Who just happens to be guessing himself? Dec 4th was a date i stated on here days ago.. Do keep up. All this mickey taking...well they do make it easy with the way they are 🤣
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Post by wannabe2 on Aug 6, 2020 13:54:33 GMT
Not our owner no, and thanks for coming back so quick you just won me £20, I owe you a beer, although another minute and I would be out of pocket.
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Post by calv on Aug 6, 2020 17:15:08 GMT
To be honest, I have no idea. I'm not enough of a geek to start looking either 😂😂. Don't put yourself down so easily. Have a look, for me. My realistic disposition on the subject requires the fuel. The Austrian league (formerly EBEL now the bet-at-home ICE Hockey League) have had a transfer hiatus which has just lifted today - that's not to say they've not been signing players though for example Herr who appears to have an agreement but hasn't been announced yet. Liiga have already started their pre-season, so they're signings are going ahead as normal. SHL are planning a mid-September start and they're announcing signings as usual. As far as I can tell almost all other leagues are announcing signings etc, including France, DEL & DEL2, Slovakia (except for Kosice who have no players announcing seemingly), Czech, Denmark, Norway, Swiss NLA & NLB, Hungary (again, a few teams have very low roster numbers). There does appear to be some variation even within leagues, for example Chamonix in the French league currently have a roster size of 14, but Briancon have 24 on their roster. Similar story in DEL & DEL2. Poland roster sizes also vary from 6 to 23. The only leagues that I can see that have not been announcing or signing players are: Austria (expect that to change quickly as stated above) Latvia (all rosters are empty, except 1 team with 5 players) That's just from a quick look on Elite Prospects, but as far as I can tell the EIHL is one of the few leagues where the roster numbers are universally down across the league. I should add that I didn't look at every single league going, but certainly the main ones who feed into the CHL and conti cup
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