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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 17:17:37 GMT
If you bother to read the posts above .. 2 people have quite clearly pointed out what's wrong with this league.. I actually asked your views because of what YOU posted,
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Post by Joe on May 18, 2020 17:43:32 GMT
He can’t because he hasn’t got a clue about how this or any other league is run So you think it's been ran professionally then lol . Theres a reason they can only attract a Irish 3rd rate sports channel I just think it’s ridiculous to throw statements around like that when you know very little about how this league is run, unless information is actually coming from people who are present in league meetings or are involved in any deals then it is purely speculation and guess work which is most likely incorrect
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 19:40:53 GMT
Putting an idea out there. So hate them or agree with them, the pessimists are probably correct there is going to be no EIHL 20/21 season. This league needs bums on seats and I just don't see any minimal import league funded by webcasts to be possible. Dundee for example, they just don't have the fanbase for that kind of setup. Rosters will be thin and with the possibility of people having to isolate due to COVID still it'll be a complete farce of a competition.
We do however have a contingent of British players who for the foreseeable future won't be able to play hockey professionally and also work towards the world champs next year, which I'd still say are in doubt even next year. Some may have to source work elsewhere.
What about a 3 or 5 game exhibition series played between the best Brit EIHL players in the league. Maybe put it under a North V South, EIHL V GB or however you wish to do it.
When the rules have been relaxed to a point that a hockey game behind closed doors take place then this can be advertised as a charity/fundraising event for UK hockey available for webcast.
I think there may be enough numbers to make it feasible to make a few quid to at least pay some players some kind of payment, or to wherever it best serves UK hockey.
This is the only kind of hockey of any reasonable standard I see being played in the UK for some time. It's just a stop gap to at least keep things ticking over.
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Post by spik on May 18, 2020 21:08:01 GMT
So you think it's been ran professionally then lol . Theres a reason they can only attract a Irish 3rd rate sports channel I just think it’s ridiculous to throw statements around like that when you know very little about how this league is run, unless information is actually coming from people who are present in league meetings or are involved in any deals then it is purely speculation and guess work which is most likely incorrect Are you able to explain how this league is run? I truly understand that there is much we don't know of and that includes the good as well. But I'm not in the know yet can understand, like any neutral on the side, that it's dismal how things operate. I'm a statistician but you don't have to be one to know when things don't add up. No pun there just look at the official stats on the OS and that's what the governing body puts out in the public domain. That to me is embarrassing. Many people on the outside try to help and get no reply, not even a 'thanks but no thanks'.Closed shop they call it. As far as being a pessimist. I don't think we as a country have a clue how to go about fighting this virus. People come before sport and I believe/ think/ assume (whatever it be said) it's not going to be rid of fast. That things will be back to some sort of ' normal' soon. But I think EIHL should be keeping contact with its public and more so than the clubs.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 21:08:30 GMT
If you bother to read the posts above .. 2 people have quite clearly pointed out what's wrong with this league.. I actually asked your views because of what YOU posted, Well I got beat to it by other posters it doesnt matter where it comes from that fact is there has been examples of shoddy mis management over a long period of time and I dont need to be in the know either as it's well documented regarding issues Iginla made
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Post by John Casey on May 18, 2020 21:29:41 GMT
I'm wondering if The Panthers are looking to join some sort of Euro League. It wouldn't shock me if other Leagues in Europe start losing teams therefore may look to unify with other European Teams?
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Post by wannabe2 on May 19, 2020 6:47:18 GMT
So crowds will be allowed to watch panthers against Europeans , but not against British teams.
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Post by kievthegreat on May 19, 2020 7:11:43 GMT
I'm wondering if The Panthers are looking to join some sort of Euro League. It wouldn't shock me if other Leagues in Europe start losing teams therefore may look to unify with other European Teams? Not until at least 2021. If we have doubts over a national league taking place this year, a multinational league is even less likely. And even then, I don't see it being a positive. The closest leagues are Scandinavian ones, DEL, BeNe league, France. What would fit? Denmark, France, Norway are not a significant step up in quality, plus they have far fewer imports. Unless we buy up all the good Brits, we wouldn't compete. BeNe is a huge step down Finland, Sweden and Germany, we'd not be competitive without 14 imports. Hell with 14 imports we'd probably only compete in the DEL. None of the existing leagues seem to be a fit and that's from a Panthers perspective. Why would any existing league take on the additional costs of a UK team, such as travel, compromising their rules to fit them in, etc...? The only league that would be conceivable (but I think highly dubious still) is a league spanning the top teams from France, the UK and perhaps Tilburg. I doubt that any German or Scandinavian team will be joining a new euro league with higher travel costs and no tangible benefits. "Panthers to join 'Euroleague'" is a constant fairytale that pops up on here. I'm wondering if it will happen before or after Neil Blacks new team in London...
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 8:17:19 GMT
I'm wondering if The Panthers are looking to join some sort of Euro League. It wouldn't shock me if other Leagues in Europe start losing teams therefore may look to unify with other European Teams? No, they're definitely not. Very happy being one of the kids running amok in the poorly supervised EIHL playground.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 8:19:39 GMT
So crowds will be allowed to watch panthers against Europeans , but not against British teams. Do you get lots of low flying aircraft near your house?
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Post by wannabe2 on May 19, 2020 8:58:17 GMT
Not since I set up my anti aircraft ack ack guns, and my ground to air missiles. It’s quite quiet now surprisingly.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2020 9:40:04 GMT
I'm wondering if The Panthers are looking to join some sort of Euro League. It wouldn't shock me if other Leagues in Europe start losing teams therefore may look to unify with other European Teams? No, they're definitely not. Very happy being one of the kids running amok in the poorly supervised EIHL playground. 🤣🤣
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Post by Bagheera on May 19, 2020 11:09:31 GMT
I'm wondering if The Panthers are looking to join some sort of Euro League. It wouldn't shock me if other Leagues in Europe start losing teams therefore may look to unify with other European Teams? No, they're definitely not. Very happy being one of the kids running amok in the poorly supervised EIHL playground. That is for sure the biggest factor in my view. I dont see a lot of the other suggested barriers that have been discussed over the years as an issue myself. You'd fit into the big leagues structure where much bigger sponsorship money etc comes into it. The EIHL owners can do as they please with the clubs and their accounting etc. Having to answer to a higher power would probably have most of them running for the hills and burying the books.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 11:20:37 GMT
No, they're definitely not. Very happy being one of the kids running amok in the poorly supervised EIHL playground. That is for sure the biggest factor in my view. I dont see a lot of the other suggested barriers that have been discussed over the years as an issue myself. You'd fit into the big leagues structure where much bigger sponsorship money etc comes into it. The EIHL owners can do as they please with the clubs and their accounting etc. Having to answer to a higher power would probably have most of them running for the hills and burying the books. Definitely Bags, as alluded to in Kiev's excellent post yesterday the reasons for why the league is seen as such a joke by many are very obvious. Only those blinded by the product or choosing to bury their heads in the sand would argue otherwise.
It's one little party on the bridge & everyone is invited provided you keep the vessel heading straight for that large shadowy type thing in the distance which could well be an iceberg.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 19, 2020 11:51:47 GMT
So if I enjoy myself most weeks going to the games, am I blinded by the product, or burying my head.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 12:02:52 GMT
So if I enjoy myself most weeks going to the games, am I blinded by the product, or burying my head. If you believe there is absoultely nothing dodgy of any note in how the league is run now or has been in the past with owners etc.., then yes.
Given your previous owners & how they fleeced your club I'm certain which side you would fall on.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 19, 2020 12:18:00 GMT
But I am forgetting the history, as it’s history, I don’t want to get too involved in the politics as that’s not good for you. What I am saying is myself and maybe very roughly 30,000 others per week are enjoying themselves, so somethings right obviously, the main priority is entertainment, not for some on here for whatever reasons but many people are hoping and praying the game comes back sooner than later, that sooner obviously may be in season 21/22, but many people are still enjoying the game obviously.stay safe.
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Post by Joe on May 19, 2020 12:34:44 GMT
So if I enjoy myself most weeks going to the games, am I blinded by the product, or burying my head. If you believe there is absoultely nothing dodgy of any note in how the league is run now or has been in the past with owners etc.., then yes.
Given your previous owners & how they fleeced your club I'm certain which side you would fall on.
Or people aren’t just willing to accept wild accusations that are thrown around by people who clearly have a negative bias against the league
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 12:37:58 GMT
But I am forgetting the history, as it’s history, I don’t want to get too involved in the politics as that’s not good for you. You fall completely in to one on my categaries with this statement, I'll let you deceide which one. #planes #Mosey'swages.
Furthermore, there's little point you being involved in this debate imo, your opinion over everthing being completely rosy in the Cardiff/EIHL garden is very well known. Your audience here, on this occasion, is many a poster with their severely sharpened axes to grind against all Panthers related. Some of which have a huge weight of evidence on their side, which yes, I have seen myself very very first hand.
This really is a topic for the bitter, negative (I'd argue realistic, others wouldn't hence the label) and downtrodden amongst us.
Buy hey, stay safe, happy hockey days and all that.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 12:40:06 GMT
If you believe there is absoultely nothing dodgy of any note in how the league is run now or has been in the past with owners etc.., then yes.
Given your previous owners & how they fleeced your club I'm certain which side you would fall on.
Or people aren’t just willing to accept wild accusations that are thrown around by people who clearly have a negative bias against the league If only some of the acusations were wild, that's possibly the biggest shame in all of this.
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Post by Joe on May 19, 2020 13:01:00 GMT
Or people aren’t just willing to accept wild accusations that are thrown around by people who clearly have a negative bias against the league If only some of the acusations were wild, that's possibly the biggest shame in all of this.
regardless of the accusations, can you not see the hypocrisy in saying that you are blinded by the product if you believe that the league is not dodgy but you are expecting people to blindly accept your accusation because you aren’t providing any evidence to back it up
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 13:16:38 GMT
If only some of the acusations were wild, that's possibly the biggest shame in all of this.
regardless of the accusations, can you not see the hypocrisy in saying that you are blinded by the product if you believe that the league is not dodgy but you are expecting people to blindly accept your accusation because you aren’t providing any evidence to back it up There's enough weight of evidence to suggest all is not as clean as could be in the EIHL without anything needing to be directly posted. Kiev covered it all very nicely yesterday. If you choose to ignore some very very obvious facts then that's your perogative.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 19, 2020 13:42:49 GMT
Isn’t it better and maybe healthier to just watch and enjoy the sport, if you can do that then that’s good. If you can’t what’s the point in having a crusade and getting into politics that’s not going to alter anything but just raises blood,pressure. Stay Safe.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 19, 2020 13:51:48 GMT
Isn’t it better and maybe healthier to just watch and enjoy the sport, if you can do that then that’s good. If you can’t what’s the point in having a crusade and getting into politics that’s not going to alter anything but just raises blood,pressure. Stay Safe. Some posters are only here to be de-constructive, Glynne. Myself incuded possibly at this current time.
But on the whole I agree with you, yes.
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Post by kievthegreat on May 19, 2020 13:59:35 GMT
Isn’t it better and maybe healthier to just watch and enjoy the sport, if you can do that then that’s good. If you can’t what’s the point in having a crusade and getting into politics that’s not going to alter anything but just raises blood,pressure. Stay Safe. I'd argue it's very possible to do both. In addition to Ice Hockey I also keenly follow football. It's not plain sailing (especially as an Ipswich Town fan), but you can still love and care about it, while not liking the politics of the EFL and Premier League. For balance, while football is far more professionally run (unsurprisingly given the money involved), you still have charlatans involved. I mean look at Newcastles current owner and their soon to be owner!
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