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Post by iginla on May 18, 2020 8:35:14 GMT
Yes you would think in this of all times,especially when Panthers are going out of their way in making a big thing in all the “old boy legend” interviews out of everybody sticking together and we will get through this etc etc. You would have thought in plugging that line again and again that they would actually be being pro active along those lines instead of saying absolutely nothing. I would expect them to have put out an announcement like Clan have to at least give the fans a clue as to their thinking. Not just Panthers either,this is what the league should be doing. They certainly ought to have maybe 2 or 3 different scenarios or contingency plans in hand to at least share and give fans some insight into what could happen dependant on when lockdown ends. To say nothing especially in the current situation is rather odd even for Panthers.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 8:46:17 GMT
It’s just a case of communication between club and fans, if you haven’t anything to say, or don’t want to reveal them then fine, but if you have it’s probably a good move to keep everyone on board, that way you still feel part of the club. Maybe the bigger you get, the less people matter and that can be a bad move.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 18, 2020 8:54:28 GMT
Or you could just have owners who couldn't give a toss about the supporters of the club having shown years & years of complete & utter contempt towards them.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 9:03:58 GMT
Or you could just have owners who couldn't give a toss about the supporters of the club having shown years & years of complete & utter contempt towards them. That’s a very dangerous game to play, without the punters coming thru the door It is suicidal. There’s nothing like really feeling a part of the club you love, they need us, and we need them working together therefore is not exactly rocket science. IF I thought my club didn’t give a toss about me, then that attitude would certainly put me right off. We went down that road with 2 past owners, of which one of them had 50/60 fans going in and 5/600 standing outside each week, not a good move. Stay safe.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 18, 2020 9:18:19 GMT
You have far better owners, Glynne. This is very common knowledge to most here.
While the Panthers org. can get away with the consistent perception by many of not giving a toss about the fans they will.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 9:40:12 GMT
We are very lucky in Cardiff, as our owners are also fans, they are season ticket holders for the Calgary Flames, and big time fans of the Cardiff Devils. A few seasons ago we played Steelers in the cc cup final in Sheffield, our owners not only travelled up on a supporters coach, but paid for everyone on that bus to have a beer, they sang Delilah in the aisle, and then went to the pub with everyone when we arrived. Respect and loyalty is a two way thing, and fortunately we have that in Cardiff, and it’s a very good feeling to have. Hockey as we all know can be a huge part of life, it needs to be a place you look forward to going to. Stay Safe.
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Post by Joe on May 18, 2020 9:47:20 GMT
So its risky Devils announcing the likes of Haddad then? Not at all, there’s no risk in announcing it I suppose I personally just don’t see the point at this very moment. There’s nothing wrong in announcing signings if you have guarantees that the player will come whenever the season resumes, if you sign a team and half of them decide to back out if the season doesn’t start when they were told it would then you’ll have a problem. I’d expect Haddad to fulfil his commitment to the Devils whenever the season starts
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Post by Warren on May 18, 2020 9:50:33 GMT
We've been told by work regards to our offices opening, that the "Government" have advised that social distancing rules within the work place may be in place for up to 3 years.
Now I'm not sure which government (I work for a global company, with major offices all over the globe) so it could be any or completely made up. but even if its only 1/3 of that... next season will be behind closed doors if it goes ahead.
The people thinking that life will be normal come July or even the August BH, are IMHO over optimistic. The new "normal" (ugh I feel sick saying it) will be better than now, but gatherings over 10 people (Irrespective of household) wont be here until Christmas. Until there is a cure and a plan to roll it out quickly and efficiently is put in place, Get used to it.
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Post by Jord v4 on May 18, 2020 9:57:31 GMT
Hockey as we all know can be a huge part of life, Only for a very very select few & this is the problem this sport faces in the next year, maybe longer. It's a huge minority sport comapred to others in the UK with no TV funding of any real purpose.
It relies, in nearly all cases, on bums on seats. Take that away & there are potentially some serious problems on the horizon.
It's a tough message to get across this at times given the audiences.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 10:56:03 GMT
The thing is Jord it’s always been that way in our minority sport, it’s always been about bums on seats, and sponsorship,thats always been the way. The beeb payed nothing to show games, Sky paid a minimal amount, and Freesports well as the name says. So nothing really has changed there, I have been going for 34yrs and not much has changed off the ice, so it really does rely on bums on seats as you say. I like to think when this crap is over we may get the chance to at least build it up to where we were before the crap hit the fan, I actually did enjoy last season, yes it’s also about the social side, seeing your mates, having a beer, and getting out but I also enjoyed the games in fairness. Stay Safe.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 11:51:49 GMT
It's not cobblers at all, when the leisure centre was built prior to the internet being launched, there was no provision made to lay the necessary cables. The company I work for has done live boxing streams from the Spectrum, due to having no hard-wired internet access (unless we ran a cable to the reception which wasn't possible due to H&S) we used 4G boxes to transmit the signal. Essentially the boxes turns the 4G capabilities into an internet feed that can be used. The Flames could invest in the same boxes in order to live stream from the Spectrum. Indeed my point. Guildford could have done webcasts if they had previously wanted to,we have always been lead to believe though that it just wasn’t possible from the Spectrum. Somehow now in the current climate,one guesses they will suddenly want to do them. Not necessarily, it depends on the 4G signal in the rink itself, which from memory isn’t great. The 4G boxes only work if the signal strength is good, it was borderline when we broadcast from there but we were in a different part of the leisure centre.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 12:01:17 GMT
We've been told by work regards to our offices opening, that the "Government" have advised that social distancing rules within the work place may be in place for up to 3 years. Now I'm not sure which government (I work for a global company, with major offices all over the globe) so it could be any or completely made up. but even if its only 1/3 of that... next season will be behind closed doors if it goes ahead. The people thinking that life will be normal come July or even the August BH, are IMHO over optimistic. The new "normal" (ugh I feel sick saying it) will be better than now, but gatherings over 10 people (Irrespective of household) wont be here until Christmas. Until there is a cure and a plan to roll it out quickly and efficiently is put in place, Get used to it. Spot on
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 12:05:46 GMT
The thing is Jord it’s always been that way in our minority sport, it’s always been about bums on seats, and sponsorship,thats always been the way. The beeb payed nothing to show games, Sky paid a minimal amount, and Freesports well as the name says. So nothing really has changed there, I have been going for 34yrs and not much has changed off the ice, so it really does rely on bums on seats as you say. I like to think when this crap is over we may get the chance to at least build it up to where we were before the crap hit the fan, I actually did enjoy last season, yes it’s also about the social side, seeing your mates, having a beer, and getting out but I also enjoyed the games in fairness. Stay Safe. For a minority sport which is the highest attended indoor sport in the country it's been ran like a back street garage for 35+ years its embarrassing. Other minority sports who get a fraction of the fans etc put this to shame. It makes me laugh in the summer when signings are announced the words such as 'world class' and 'this guy could rip it up in a higher league' No .. they come here for a reason
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Post by iginla on May 18, 2020 12:13:36 GMT
We are very lucky in Cardiff, as our owners are also fans, they are season ticket holders for the Calgary Flames, and big time fans of the Cardiff Devils. A few seasons ago we played Steelers in the cc cup final in Sheffield, our owners not only travelled up on a supporters coach, but paid for everyone on that bus to have a beer, they sang Delilah in the aisle, and then went to the pub with everyone when we arrived. Respect and loyalty is a two way thing, and fortunately we have that in Cardiff, and it’s a very good feeling to have. Hockey as we all know can be a huge part of life, it needs to be a place you look forward to going to. Stay Safe. That’s exactly how it should be. Unfortunately in Nottingham the owners are exactly the opposite which is why you get such a lot of bad feeling and disgruntled fans around the place.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 12:57:19 GMT
Quick question Pidge in what way is the league run like a back street garage, can you elaborate on that mate, and how do other minority sports put ours to shame. Also when did people state they have a signing that’s world class and they would rip up a higher league.
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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 12:57:37 GMT
Forgot to say stay safe.
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Post by Joe on May 18, 2020 13:09:48 GMT
Quick question Pidge in what way is the league run like a back street garage, can you elaborate on that mate, and how do other minority sports put ours to shame. Also when did people state they have a signing that’s world class and they would rip up a higher league. He can’t because he hasn’t got a clue about how this or any other league is run
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 14:58:52 GMT
Quick question Pidge in what way is the league run like a back street garage, can you elaborate on that mate, and how do other minority sports put ours to shame. Also when did people state they have a signing that’s world class and they would rip up a higher league. I have a good memory but havent got the time to trawl through other teams forums on past signing news and point them out, else this thread would be 30 pages long! On your first point do I really have to explain 🤣🤣 I'm amazed you questioned it. Your team alone has had a coloured past without mentioning other teams 🤣
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 15:00:24 GMT
Quick question Pidge in what way is the league run like a back street garage, can you elaborate on that mate, and how do other minority sports put ours to shame. Also when did people state they have a signing that’s world class and they would rip up a higher league. He can’t because he hasn’t got a clue about how this or any other league is run So you think it's been ran professionally then lol . Theres a reason they can only attract a Irish 3rd rate sports channel
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Post by kievthegreat on May 18, 2020 15:42:31 GMT
Quick question Pidge in what way is the league run like a back street garage, can you elaborate on that mate, and how do other minority sports put ours to shame. Also when did people state they have a signing that’s world class and they would rip up a higher league. Just my 2 pence. We have 2 teams primarily owned by one man. We have a league chairman who also happens to be owner of one of the teams. The league has had 7 clubs go bankrupt or drop down because of financial difficulty in the leagues 17 year existence, including 3 in the last 5 years (could be more yet). There's been plenty of dodgy owners, Cardiff fans know this only too well. Lack of a proper TV deal. Lack of league sponsorship. Lack of coordination with the NGB (although governance of UK hockey in general is an omnishambles). I'm not saying other sports are perfect, but the EIHL is about as stable as jelly in an earthquake. It's also full of cronyism, conflict of interest and unproffesionalism. The sport is great, but the governance is rotten.
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Post by iginla on May 18, 2020 16:00:30 GMT
Quick question Pidge in what way is the league run like a back street garage, can you elaborate on that mate, and how do other minority sports put ours to shame. Also when did people state they have a signing that’s world class and they would rip up a higher league. Just my 2 pence. We have 2 teams primarily owned by one man. We have a league chairman who also happens to be owner of one of the teams. The league has had 7 clubs go bankrupt or drop down because of financial difficulty in the leagues 17 year existence, including 3 in the last 5 years (could be more yet). There's been plenty of dodgy owners, Cardiff fans know this only too well. Lack of a proper TV deal. Lack of league sponsorship. Lack of coordination with the NGB (although governance of UK hockey in general is an omnishambles). I'm not saying other sports are perfect, but the EIHL is about as stable as jelly in an earthquake. It's also full of cronyism, conflict of interest and unproffesionalism. The sport is great, but the governance is rotten. Spot on that. And coupled with the serious unprofessionalism of certain individuals within the EIHL,various ridiculous and unfathomable decisions made by Dops and the seeming lack of the ability to keep a league sponsor for more than about a season,there you have it in a nutshell.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 16:11:40 GMT
I'm actually staggered someone questioned what I said 🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 16:32:10 GMT
Just my 2 pence. We have 2 teams primarily owned by one man. We have a league chairman who also happens to be owner of one of the teams. The league has had 7 clubs go bankrupt or drop down because of financial difficulty in the leagues 17 year existence, including 3 in the last 5 years (could be more yet). There's been plenty of dodgy owners, Cardiff fans know this only too well. Lack of a proper TV deal. Lack of league sponsorship. Lack of coordination with the NGB (although governance of UK hockey in general is an omnishambles). I'm not saying other sports are perfect, but the EIHL is about as stable as jelly in an earthquake. It's also full of cronyism, conflict of interest and unproffesionalism. The sport is great, but the governance is rotten. Spot on that. And coupled with the serious unprofessionalism of certain individuals within the EIHL,various ridiculous and unfathomable decisions made by Dops and the seeming lack of the ability to keep a league sponsor for more than about a season,there you have it in a nutshell. And that's just off the top of your head.. if you had a think they'd be more examples 🤣
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Post by wannabe2 on May 18, 2020 16:34:55 GMT
You never answered it, agree with you now Joe.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2020 17:13:14 GMT
If you bother to read the posts above .. 2 people have quite clearly pointed out what's wrong with this league..
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