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Post by tootootrain on Feb 12, 2018 20:30:18 GMT
I think it's more names/addresses/cards get flagged on arena systems and they'll deny purchase of tickets... That's exactly how they do it. Of course this doesn't work for cash purchases. Which leads to... They are exactly as amateur as he is making out. The only practical means Panthers have of 'banning' someone is preventing ticket sales to a banned individual. The people scanning the tickets, who can and do change from week-to-week, are the only 'gatekeepers' to prevent unauthorised access and they will allow anyone in with a valid ticket. Even FBO's (Football Banning Orders) can be and are regularly breached, and they have the advantage of being policed by, err, the police.
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Post by mardibum on Feb 12, 2018 20:42:05 GMT
So explain to me again why a person that has said they'd not be attending games next season are scared of being banned ? This doesn't make sense.. And how exactly do those ticket scanners recognise all these banned people, considering the rush at game time ? Just because they don't plan on attending games next season, it doesn't mean they won't. Plans change. We could have a new coach, players who want to be here and be in a very strong position this time next season, fans are success hungry. If we get to where we should be, people will attend games again and being banned will prevent them from doing so for an indefinite period. I think it's more names/addresses/cards get flagged on arena systems and they'll deny purchase of tickets, I'm not too sure about how they go about preventing banned people from attending events but they aren't as amateur as you're making out. If you're banned, you will not get in, it's as simple as that. Petition/Questionnaire is a more than valid thing to do. It's numbers, statistics and not confrontational. Can be shared across all social media and have a wide outreach. It'd get more of a response than 20 people stood chanting something GM and Black won't even hear. If 20 people START a chant perhaps several hundred will join in. I can’t see why people can’t understand that chants can be catching! Do you think that the chant will be restricted to people who might have seen the idea on here? I just can’t see why you think it would just be restricted to 20 people! If YOU start a petition I’ll gladly sign it - but don’t forget you’ll be supplying the management with a neat, ready made list of dissidents! Black’s already got my name, address and phone numbers - but then I’m not afraid of him. Do you think you might get 200 signatories? Do you think the management engaged with those 200 fans who joined the Supporters Trust - a legally recognised entity? They just won’t listen, it will go straight in the bin. Do you not think that the booing that accompanies our games is NOT a protest? Have you seen anybody thrown out? Sorry. I don’t think this thread is serving any particular purpose anymore. I’ll say it again ... people won’t take the time and effort to do anything except debate it. I must admit, I started to call folks out because I knew what the reaction would be, and I just wanted to demonstrate that. I have not been disappointed!! However, if you can sort something out between you all, I will gladly lend my support. Good luck, Simon. You will certainly need it!
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Post by pb on Feb 12, 2018 20:45:02 GMT
I am not sure if I have posted correct because this is my first ever attempt. I was introduced to the Panthers around 8 years ago by my daughter who first took me to a Canucks game when she was working in Vancouver during a gap year from Uni. I have attended every Panthers game since except for holidays and work commitments. I have also got a mate hooked and we bring a teen. I am 64 and my mate is a little older. We have attended through thick and thin but are sad to say we will join the band of supporters who have had enough and will not attend anymore. Two seniors and a teen, 50/50 and drinks that is at least £50 we will save but we are not Happy. Surely the organisation realise that in life when something is broke it requires fixing and if the product is poor people will not pay. Sorry to go on.
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Post by mardibum on Feb 12, 2018 20:57:43 GMT
I am not sure if I have posted correct because this is my first ever attempt. I was introduced to the Panthers around 8 years ago by my daughter who first took me to a Canucks game when she was working in Vancouver during a gap year from Uni. I have attended every Panthers game since except for holidays and work commitments. I have also got a mate hooked and we bring a teen. I am 64 and my mate is a little older. We have attended through thick and thin but are sad to say we will join the band of supporters who have had enough and will not attend anymore. Two seniors and a teen, 50/50 and drinks that is at least £50 we will save but we are not Happy. Surely the organisation realise that in life when something is broke it requires fixing and if the product is poor people will not pay. Sorry to go on. Welcome. Come in and suffer with us!
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Post by iginla on Feb 12, 2018 22:27:47 GMT
Well all it needs is somebody with a big gob to start a 'Neilson out' or "Moran out" chant on Saturday and let's see what happens.
I reckon it will catch on,there are a lot of disgruntled Panthers fans in that arena.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 13, 2018 0:01:55 GMT
Don't forget the Black out.
For legal reasons I mean the turning down of the lights.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2018 9:48:12 GMT
Don't forget the Black out. For legal reasons I mean the turning down of the lights. What else?!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 13, 2018 10:02:26 GMT
NB is the problem and I have been saying that since right back when it was regarded as outright herecy by the faithful. If NB wanted us to put up a challenge then we would and everyone at the club is employed by him and hold their positions with his blessing. As he is hardly ever there now I doubt he would even be aware of a protest at all.
I think the first Q&A session was a bit of a shock for him and looking back now he got off pretty lightly really.
Panthers fans have this funny attitude that it’s better the devil you know going right back as long as I can remember. Well since then owners have come in and shown they can be fans too and still run a business and the continual argument on CN and who else is out there is laughable. Just look at the job Adam Keefe is doing the first season in the job.
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Post by shinobi on Feb 14, 2018 8:09:35 GMT
Panthers fans have this funny attitude that it’s better the devil you know going right back as long as I can remember. Well since then owners have come in and shown they can be fans too and still run a business and the continual argument on CN and who else is out there is laughable. Just look at the job Adam Keefe is doing the first season in the job. Absolutely.
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Post by Dan on Feb 14, 2018 9:49:44 GMT
It’s different now, especially compared to pre...i think 2003. Before we won the Challenge Cup in overtime in Sheffield. We’d not won anything in ages and the club were rubbing their hands in glee. Continued blind support and no real need to even win anything. That cup changed the game, suddenly we were the shark in the water. We had a taste, we wanted more.
In fairness, we’ve had it too. We’ve won plenty and made history in the meantime. This thread does seem a little over the top considering what we’ve been through in the past before.
And to answer the question, it’s because a large proportion of the fanbase don’t really care too much about winning and losing. They go for the social aspect and therefore as long as we have a winning home record they’re happy.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 11:22:12 GMT
And to answer the question, it’s because a large proportion of the fanbase don’t really care too much about winning and losing. They go for the social aspect and therefore as long as we have a winning home record they’re happy. Isn't that the wrong attitude to have when following a SPORTS team? Sport is about winning albeit when you lose you hole your team have given every ounce of effort . Btw do we have a home winning record this season?
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Post by dill1015 on Feb 14, 2018 11:32:18 GMT
And to answer the question, it’s because a large proportion of the fanbase don’t really care too much about winning and losing. They go for the social aspect and therefore as long as we have a winning home record they’re happy. Isn't that the wrong attitude to have when following a SPORTS team? Sport is about winning albeit when you lose you hole your team have given every ounce of effort . Btw do we have a home winning record this season? People can feel however they want to geel. Its thier money. The problem i have is that the managment seem to be content with average results. They dont have that luxury. They should always be pushing for success.
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Post by spik on Feb 15, 2018 1:00:44 GMT
And to answer the question, it’s because a large proportion of the fanbase don’t really care too much about winning and losing. They go for the social aspect and therefore as long as we have a winning home record they’re happy. Isn't that the wrong attitude to have when following a SPORTS team? Sport is about winning albeit when you lose you hole your team have given every ounce of effort . Btw do we have a home winning record this season? As long as the entertainment crew ( not bothered about success) don't get annoyed and upset about us wanting championships.That could be the next dilemma. 'fan annoyed that his child could not hear the words to his favourite song being played as others cheered the team along.'
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Post by dp on Feb 26, 2018 21:52:50 GMT
You can now get a kids season ticket at Forest for a tenner - a season ticket! With adults' season tickets a similar amount to Panthers, but a kid's season ticket about the same price as a single Panthers game, do you think Panthers will have to respond? If Forest start to do well I think Black/GM's apathy and arrogance could be under pressure....
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Post by iginla on Feb 26, 2018 21:58:26 GMT
You can now get a kids season ticket at Forest for a tenner - a season ticket! With adults' season tickets a similar amount to Panthers, but a kid's season ticket about the same price as a single Panthers game, do you think Panthers will have to respond? If Forest start to do well I think Black/GM's apathy and arrogance could be under pressure.... Give over. Panthers are so arrogant and up themselves they never even do “kids for a quid/fiver” never mind a season ticket for a tenner. Even a non event mid week cup game only gets us a measly “two pound” discount ! 🙄
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 26, 2018 22:02:34 GMT
You can now get a kids season ticket at Forest for a tenner - a season ticket! With adults' season tickets a similar amount to Panthers, but a kid's season ticket about the same price as a single Panthers game, do you think Panthers will have to respond? If Forest start to do well I think Black/GM's apathy and arrogance could be under pressure.... Give over. Panthers are so arrogant and up themselves they never even do “kids for a quid/fiver” never mind a season ticket for a tenner. Even a non event mid week cup game only gets us a measly “two pound” discount ! 🙄 Also it's very rare that our games clash, I've been to football and Panthers in the same day. They've got no reason to compete with what a football team is doing
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2018 22:43:05 GMT
You can now get a kids season ticket at Forest for a tenner - a season ticket! With adults' season tickets a similar amount to Panthers, but a kid's season ticket about the same price as a single Panthers game, do you think Panthers will have to respond? If Forest start to do well I think Black/GM's apathy and arrogance could be under pressure.... I don’t think you can compare the 2, Forest will have lots of income from all angles which will far exceed the income of Panthers. Charging Joe Bloggs an extra £10/£20 for a season ticket won’t make a jot of difference in terms of wages and transfer fees, so why charge it if it means more will come through the gate? However, getting 1500-2000 £20’s pays for a players salary for the year. Different worlds entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 8:32:46 GMT
I think you totally miss the point ! One club are thinking of the fans where as the other think the fans are a hindrance and see them as punters !
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Post by iginla on Feb 27, 2018 9:01:22 GMT
I think you totally miss the point ! One club are thinking of the fans where as the other think the fans are a hindrance and see them as punters ! Ah but Pidge... I bet Forest aren’t giving you the chance to sign a couple of shirts for the coach are they eh ? Lol Nothing to do with trying to boost the lowly crowds for the next two midweek home games of course ! 🙄 #tacky
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 9:24:33 GMT
I certainly wont be doing a 48 mile round trip to scribble on a huge jersey mate lol
#verytacky
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Post by iginla on Feb 27, 2018 9:53:27 GMT
I certainly wont be doing a 48 mile round trip to scribble on a huge jersey mate lol #verytacky Mmmm don’t blame ya mate. I’m thinking of changing my name for a day to..... Gordon Riddance. #somefuntobehadhere
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2018 11:17:44 GMT
Give over. Panthers are so arrogant and up themselves they never even do “kids for a quid/fiver” never mind a season ticket for a tenner. Even a non event mid week cup game only gets us a measly “two pound” discount ! 🙄 Also it's very rare that our games clash, I've been to football and Panthers in the same day. They've got no reason to compete with what a football team is doing Whilst I can see your point, I feel it will make a difference. My daughter and I were fairly regular attendees at Panthers until the debacle on 27/12/17 and have been to one game since (no more now till possibly the play off game) - we've both had enough! We go to the occasional Forest match, but if we were to get season tickets for Forest, we just won't bother going to the Panthers, it's as simple as that. Regardless of whether the games clash or not, families have a finite budget, so Forest reduce their prices = people buy tickets, Panthers don't do anything = people don't buy tickets. Over to you Blackie!
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Post by Yotes on Feb 27, 2018 13:26:51 GMT
Nothing to do with trying to boost the lowly crowds for the next two midweek home games of course ! 🙄 I'm as cynical as the next man, provided I'm not sat next to you of course, but come on. They're just trying to do something nice for a guy they've worked with for over a decade. Agree with @picko about the Forest kids ST, it's a sensible way (if you have the spare seats) to not only get them on board from a young age, but drag in the parents too at full price, and if they start spending their money there they may not have so much for Panthers. I'm not saying Panthers should follow suit, I imagine our attendance-to-capacity percentage is probably better than Forest's at the moment, but it could have an effect on us to some degree. It's only CC game pricing where I'd like to see Panthers do something tbh, not just for ST holders either.
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Post by texpef on Feb 27, 2018 14:13:15 GMT
I think you totally miss the point ! One club are thinking of the fans where as the other think the fans are a hindrance and see them as punters ! Ah but Pidge... I bet Forest aren’t giving you the chance to sign a couple of shirts for the coach are they eh ? Lol Nothing to do with trying to boost the lowly crowds for the next two midweek home games of course ! 🙄 #tacky Scarily that was my first thought too... must be getting more cynical in my old age... If thats at all possible eh..
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Post by iginla on Feb 27, 2018 14:31:39 GMT
Nothing to do with trying to boost the lowly crowds for the next two midweek home games of course ! 🙄 I'm as cynical as the next man, provided I'm not sat next to you of course, but come on. They're just trying to do something nice for a guy they've worked with for over a decade. Agree with @picko about the Forest kids ST, it's a sensible way (if you have the spare seats) to not only get them on board from a young age, but drag in the parents too at full price, and if they start spending their money there they may not have so much for Panthers. I'm not saying Panthers should follow suit, I imagine our attendance-to-capacity percentage is probably better than Forest's at the moment, but it could have an effect on us to some degree. It's only CC game pricing where I'd like to see Panthers do something tbh, not just for ST holders either. I agree with you about the Forest season tickets. But don't you think it's strange that these shirts are only for signing for two games.......why not the Saturday game against the Steelers too. Especially bearing in mind they are expecting a huge amount of fans to want to sign. Wouldn't have anything to do with the Steelers game being another sell out would it ! Lol 🙄 I can just see an upcoming future press release. "Due to an unprecedented amount of fans wishing to sign,we have decided to extend the chance to sign to include the Tuesday 13th March Edinburgh home game". 😂
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