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Post by ibbz9 on Feb 11, 2018 17:49:53 GMT
From an outsider looking in, I think your initial roster budget would be on par with Sheffield, Cardiff and Belfast. Guys like Perlini, Shalla etc would not have been short of offers. You have quality netminders too. On paper, at the start of the season, Panthers were being tipped to be league winners. The team started off well and had an incredible run in the CHL. That team does not go from doing that well, to where it currently sits. I guess a lot could be motivation and once the CHL ended, the motivation had gone. That is down to players and coaching. Maybe Corey has been there too long? I am pretty sure that plenty of coaches could get a tune out of that team. As for the ownership; I guess that is where the real problem is. Firstly, not willing to give Corey a rocket or gas him. Not that you want to see a person out of work, but season after season he is at the helm and the team recruitment is questioned, and the team fall short. Firing Corey would at least signal to fans that the ownership actually sees there is a problem. The second issue with the ownership, is financial. They obviously put a competetive budget at the start of the season, but unlike rivals, do not plan for new players to cover injuries. Not only that, they count money on game days. As many said, lots of people go for a Saturday night out so attendance remains high. I have been on a lads weekend to Nottingham. We decided to go to a game as the arena is fantastic and it was just something extra we could do. That is the downfall of the great location and great facility you have. There will constantly be people willing to go to matches. I genuinely think that if the right coach is at the helm from the start of the new season, the Panthers could be in the mix right up to the end of the season.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 11, 2018 18:25:41 GMT
Then don't post on here anymore... If you have so little love for our club then off is the general direction I'd like you to go. I’ll DM you then if I want to use the internet?
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Post by iginla on Feb 11, 2018 18:40:20 GMT
From an outsider looking in, I think your initial roster budget would be on par with Sheffield, Cardiff and Belfast. Guys like Perlini, Shalla etc would not have been short of offers. You have quality netminders too. On paper, at the start of the season, Panthers were being tipped to be league winners. The team started off well and had an incredible run in the CHL. That team does not go from doing that well, to where it currently sits. I guess a lot could be motivation and once the CHL ended, the motivation had gone. That is down to players and coaching. Maybe Corey has been there too long? I am pretty sure that plenty of coaches could get a tune out of that team. As for the ownership; I guess that is where the real problem is. Firstly, not willing to give Corey a rocket or gas him. Not that you want to see a person out of work, but season after season he is at the helm and the team recruitment is questioned, and the team fall short. Firing Corey would at least signal to fans that the ownership actually sees there is a problem. The second issue with the ownership, is financial. They obviously put a competetive budget at the start of the season, but unlike rivals, do not plan for new players to cover injuries. Not only that, they count money on game days. As many said, lots of people go for a Saturday night out so attendance remains high. I have been on a lads weekend to Nottingham. We decided to go to a game as the arena is fantastic and it was just something extra we could do. That is the downfall of the great location and great facility you have. There will constantly be people willing to go to matches. I genuinely think that if the right coach is at the helm from the start of the new season, the Panthers could be in the mix right up to the end of the season. Spot on post. That's exactly it too,you're seeing from the outside what we've been saying for years. Being a Panthers fan these days is just so frustrating knowing they could be so much better,it's just got to the stage where it's not worth the time,effort and money anymore.
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Post by simonm on Feb 11, 2018 18:41:53 GMT
By all means use the internet to your hearts content, it's just that I personally don't subscribe to this kind of thinking about my club.
"Are the Panthers really worth it anymore? "
I guess you're the ideal type of supporter the current Panthers organisation is looking for and too off load... One that quietly slips away after spending money on merchandise and game nights to be replaced by someone similar.
I aim to be a pain in the hairy bum.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 11, 2018 18:55:00 GMT
By all means use the internet to your hearts content, it's just that I personally don't subscribe to this kind of thinking about my club. "Are the Panthers really worth it anymore? " I guess you're the ideal type of supporter the current Panthers organisation is looking for and too off load... One that quietly slips away after spending money on merchandise and game nights to be replaced by someone similar. I aim to be a pain in the hairy bum. Well you really don’t know very much about me at but I will watch your protest with interest
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 11, 2018 18:55:11 GMT
By all means use the internet to your hearts content, it's just that I personally don't subscribe to this kind of thinking about my club. "Are the Panthers really worth it anymore? " I guess you're the ideal type of supporter the current Panthers organisation is looking for and too off load... One that quietly slips away after spending money on merchandise and game nights to be replaced by someone similar. I aim to be a pain in the hairy bum. Sorry, double post
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Post by mardibum on Feb 12, 2018 10:32:35 GMT
It's a question that's bothered me for years and can't answer it ? Why doesn't this fan base demand higher standards? Fans of other teams have commented why do Panthers fans seem to have this losers mentality and not one of say Sheffield for example . There's never any pressure put on the Panthers Org to make sure things are put right Well, I think you have your answer now, Pidge. There’s never any pressure put on the Panther’s organisation because nobody can be bothered. Just 7 people so far are willing to try something. If the excuse is “well I don’t go anymore”, then I would say you’ve lost the right to come on here and moan. You DID go, and you must still care about the team to be on here every 5 minutes. You could at least come back for the protest game. I’m also surprised at the number of people who seem to be in fear of Black and Moran. Your right to peaceful protest and peaceful assembly is assured by European Law. I applaud simon for trying, those who signed up, and Yotes for his honesty! I would still get involved, but I am nearly 70, and will probably be long gone before we get 100 committed fans! Sam Oakford used a phrase which I absolutely hate, but I can see now that he was probably right. We have an awful lot of keyboard warriors.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 10:52:27 GMT
It's a question that's bothered me for years and can't answer it ? Why doesn't this fan base demand higher standards? Fans of other teams have commented why do Panthers fans seem to have this losers mentality and not one of say Sheffield for example . There's never any pressure put on the Panthers Org to make sure things are put right Well, I think you have your answer now, Pidge. There’s never any pressure put on the Panther’s organisation because nobody can be bothered. Just 7 people so far are willing to try something. If the excuse is “well I don’t go anymore”, then I would say you’ve lost the right to come on here and moan. You DID go, and you must still care about the team to be on here every 5 minutes. You could at least come back for the protest game. I’m also surprised at the number of people who seem to be in fear of Black and Moran. Your right to peaceful protest and peaceful assembly is assured by European Law. I applaud simon for trying, those who signed up, and Yotes for his honesty! I would still get involved, but I am nearly 70, and will probably be long gone before we get 100 committed fans! Sam Oakford used a phrase which I absolutely hate, but I can see now that he was probably right. We have an awful lot of keyboard warriors. I'm currently staying away because I see the problem being that as long as people are coming through the door then NB has no incentive to make any changes. I think by going to the game people are contributing to the problem. There's nothing in that arena you can do that will make a difference because NB already has your money. Unfortunately because of the amount of casual fans and amount of season ticket holders(for which NB now doesn't care if you turn up to the game or not) there's no boycott that will ever really make a difference this season. Organise a protest outside the arena where I don't have to line the pocket of NB further and I'll be there but I'd be a hipocrite to buy a ticket to a game for an owner who we say is taking our money and doing a runner. I don't see any change coming in the immediate future but I live in hope that once the season ticket renewal time comes around there maybe enough fans who decide to take a stand and not renew. Only then I think I could see NB start to take notice. I don't see any supporters trust or protests making any real difference. It's only the bank manager that NB will listen to and the most effective way to do that is to stay away. In my opinion of course. Half of the problem is that we have different factions of fans who see different methods of seeing change or even what that change should consist of. I'm not saying I'm right, but I haven't been convinced via any other method proposed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 11:16:27 GMT
It's a question that's bothered me for years and can't answer it ? Why doesn't this fan base demand higher standards? Fans of other teams have commented why do Panthers fans seem to have this losers mentality and not one of say Sheffield for example . There's never any pressure put on the Panthers Org to make sure things are put right Well, I think you have your answer now, Pidge. There’s never any pressure put on the Panther’s organisation because nobody can be bothered. Just 7 people so far are willing to try something. If the excuse is “well I don’t go anymore”, then I would say you’ve lost the right to come on here and moan. You DID go, and you must still care about the team to be on here every 5 minutes. You could at least come back for the protest game. I’m also surprised at the number of people who seem to be in fear of Black and Moran. Your right to peaceful protest and peaceful assembly is assured by European Law. I applaud simon for trying, those who signed up, and Yotes for his honesty! I would still get involved, but I am nearly 70, and will probably be long gone before we get 100 committed fans! Sam Oakford used a phrase which I absolutely hate, but I can see now that he was probably right. We have an awful lot of keyboard warriors. Protesting gets you nowhere where as voting with your feet does I.e. empty seats = less revenue etc .
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Post by mattscold on Feb 12, 2018 11:55:58 GMT
It's a question that's bothered me for years and can't answer it ? Why doesn't this fan base demand higher standards? Fans of other teams have commented why do Panthers fans seem to have this losers mentality and not one of say Sheffield for example . There's never any pressure put on the Panthers Org to make sure things are put right Well, I think you have your answer now, Pidge. There’s never any pressure put on the Panther’s organisation because nobody can be bothered. Just 7 people so far are willing to try something. If the excuse is “well I don’t go anymore”, then I would say you’ve lost the right to come on here and moan. You DID go, and you must still care about the team to be on here every 5 minutes. You could at least come back for the protest game. I’m also surprised at the number of people who seem to be in fear of Black and Moran. Your right to peaceful protest and peaceful assembly is assured by European Law.
I applaud simon for trying, those who signed up, and Yotes for his honesty! I would still get involved, but I am nearly 70, and will probably be long gone before we get 100 committed fans! Sam Oakford used a phrase which I absolutely hate, but I can see now that he was probably right. We have an awful lot of keyboard warriors. Only in a public place, not in a privately hired arena.
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 12, 2018 12:07:39 GMT
Your right to peaceful protest and peaceful assembly is assured by European Law. Outside the Arena, on non-Arena owned land, yes. In the Arena or on Arena owned land, no. It also needs to be bourne in mind that whilst Article 11 protects the right to peaceful protest and assembly it is a qualified right, meaning that individual national rules (in this case Public Order Act 1986) can be used to disperse such an assembly. Specifically Section 14 and 16 are commonly used. If police were to attend and they were to deem such a protest as 'likely to intimidate others' they can impose location, maximum number of participants and duration limits on any such protest. I say this from experience helping organise and having attended protests previously, against Lloyds of London, with fellow Crystal Palace FC fans. If you are thinking of organising a protest against the team management you could do a lot worse than contact the 'Homesdale Fanatics' (they have a Facebook page and other social media accounts) for advice.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 12:48:23 GMT
Ken the announcer has been asking for Neil to leave for a few years now... He always says "Black Out" to everyone when the lights go off before our entrance!
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Post by mardibum on Feb 12, 2018 15:24:11 GMT
I think you’re reading too much into “protest”. Initially I was thinking about chants in the arena, as other sporting clubs have done since Roman times! I’ve heard booing during the game, and haven’t seen any one ejected. I do understand that articles 10 and 11 refer to public places, but if asked, you just stop!
It just seems to me that some folks are looking for excuses to do nothing. Fair enough. Either don’t go, or suck it up. Don’t try to fabricate excuses for apathy.
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Post by mardibum on Feb 12, 2018 15:27:18 GMT
As for “if police were to attend”, can you imagine if the Arena rang the local cop shop and said, “can you come and stop these people chanting”, what the reaction would be?
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Post by shinobi on Feb 12, 2018 16:25:45 GMT
As for “if police were to attend”, can you imagine if the Arena rang the local cop shop and said, “can you come and stop these people chanting”, what the reaction would be? Tootoo isn’t referring to simple chanting, it’s more protesting with banners & any applicable large crowd. I still maintain that banners sufficiently large enough to be seen by a lot of fellow fans inside the arena are high unlikely to make it past security, therefore the next reasonable step would be Bolero square. No idea if that’s Motorpoint property, but if it is, it’s theirs and they can refuse any protesting on said land.
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Post by simonm on Feb 12, 2018 17:13:35 GMT
mardibum..... I gota say I like the sound of you.
The rest are just proving to me why Black and Moran has no respect for em....
Even Moran risked something by jacking in his Trent FM job to work at Panthers, these folk aren't even prepared to risk being asked to sit down by a steward......
Booo hoooo hooo....
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Post by Mark Mac on Feb 12, 2018 17:46:49 GMT
So the problem is that too many people go along no matter what the result, meaning that the Panthers get money without feeling any pressure. Your solution is to keep going, thus paying money, and then having a shout when you are there.
Hmm and you think those of us who refuse to give the Panthers money are making the wrong choice. I would suggest that they are quite happy for you to be a fan as you keep giving them money, regardless of whatever chant you start.
Things will only improve when they make less money. Attending gives them exactly what they want.
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Post by wgray on Feb 12, 2018 17:47:54 GMT
My intention after this season is to see what the situation is with the coach, if there is no change then I and three others will not be renewing our season tickets. In my eyes that is the best place to start.
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Post by simonm on Feb 12, 2018 18:12:46 GMT
I started doing that years ago !
Years waiting for sufficient numbers of like minded supporters to catch up.
I've attended 3 games this season, each one reaffirming my stance that boycotting is the right thing to do.
But I hear so many disenchanted voices and believe the time is right for more affirmative action.
There comes a watershed moment... Don't let it slip by.
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Post by PantherB on Feb 12, 2018 18:28:06 GMT
mardibum..... I gota say I like the sound of you. The rest are just proving to me why Black and Moran has no respect for em.... Even Moran risked something by jacking in his Trent FM job to work at Panthers, these folk aren't even prepared to risk being asked to sit down by a steward...... Booo hoooo hooo.... I think most people are concerned about being banned from games. Ignoring the fact we're playing like pure trash at the moment, no one wants to be banned. GM and Black can have who they want thrown out, banned, for any reason. Stewards would ask you to sit down, if you don't you'll end up being removed, and that's before anyone in Panthers management has had their say. If you refuse to go, it will cause a lot of trouble. People around those 'protesting' will lose their temper, Police would likely end up being called. The game could even end up being suspended. If anyone is going to do anything it has to be outside the arena, before or after games. As suggested by tootoo. Heck, why not even start some kind of petition and put it on social media and then deliver it to the Panthers office, tag Black's kids in tweets and stuff, media etc.. Jumping straight into protests isn't the best idea. Got to have some kind of foundation behind it, opinions on forums and social media don't give as much foundation as a petition might. The club loves numbers, usually when there's a £ sign in front of them but if they had the results of a petition or questionnaire filled out by 1000+ fans, I believe it'd be taken in a better way by the club than causing trouble and disruption at games.
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Post by simonm on Feb 12, 2018 18:31:59 GMT
So explain to me again why a person that has said they'd not be attending games next season are scared of being banned ?
This doesn't make sense..
And how exactly do those ticket scanners recognise all these banned people, considering the rush at game time ?
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Post by simonm on Feb 12, 2018 18:33:55 GMT
A petition ?
You're taking the mick....
...from people from a little forum
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Post by simonm on Feb 12, 2018 18:36:42 GMT
Black and Moran knows that if these people from a little forum aren't even prepared to stand up during the game they're hardly going to be capable of organising anything that can threaten the revenue stream..... Petition or no petition.
There is just a small window of opportunity each season, when Panthers supporters come to realise that another season has come and gone. Before Christmas it's unreasonable to judge the players and in the off season, it's all about waiting a seeing, a new rebirth or new hope.
If you want next season to be taken seriously then NOW is the time to say so.... Otherwise it's same old, same old.
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Post by PantherB on Feb 12, 2018 18:39:48 GMT
So explain to me again why a person that has said they'd not be attending games next season are scared of being banned ? This doesn't make sense.. And how exactly do those ticket scanners recognise all these banned people, considering the rush at game time ? Just because they don't plan on attending games next season, it doesn't mean they won't. Plans change. We could have a new coach, players who want to be here and be in a very strong position this time next season, fans are success hungry. If we get to where we should be, people will attend games again and being banned will prevent them from doing so for an indefinite period. I think it's more names/addresses/cards get flagged on arena systems and they'll deny purchase of tickets, I'm not too sure about how they go about preventing banned people from attending events but they aren't as amateur as you're making out. If you're banned, you will not get in, it's as simple as that. Petition/Questionnaire is a more than valid thing to do. It's numbers, statistics and not confrontational. Can be shared across all social media and have a wide outreach. It'd get more of a response than 20 people stood chanting something GM and Black won't even hear.
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Post by simonm on Feb 12, 2018 18:48:37 GMT
Why do you say 20 ?
Why is it that me, a person that can accept that it's entertainment and not competitive sport. That Moran and Nielson are doing a good job for their boss. A person that only attends a few games each year be more ardent in my desire to see change ?
Oh let's wait, maybe next season will be better.
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