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Post by dill1015 on Jan 19, 2018 22:26:37 GMT
Well we recruit well then coz our squads cv wise are not much different. The difference must be then that Cardiff have got a decent coach ! Either that or Lord gets more out of his players than Neilson does. The point i was making in my first post. I think we over pay on players in some years or dont get our moneys worth in other years. Take Brad Moran, i was a huge critic of his. Not a bad player. But look at his cv. He should of ripped it up here and he just never did. I bet we paid top dollar for him. We dont need to spend more we need to get more out of what we got. This years team is full of them: Shalla Bussieries Garnett Delargo Breisbois All guys that are below where i was expecting them. This team is not cheap, it is seriously underperforming. I didnt add Phillips coz i wasnt sure how he was gonna be. But i take exception with signing a top line centre who is wait and see.
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2018 22:38:57 GMT
The difference must be then that Cardiff have got a decent coach ! Either that or Lord gets more out of his players than Neilson does. The point i was making in my first post. I think we over pay on players in some years or dont get our moneys worth in other years. Take Brad Moran, i was a huge critic of his. Not a bad player. But look at his cv. He should of ripped it up here and he just never did. I bet we paid top dollar for him. We dont need to spend more we need to get more out of what we got. This years team is full of them: Shalla Bussieries Garnett Delargo Breisbois All guys that are below where i was expecting them. This team is not cheap, it is seriously underperforming. I didnt add Phillips coz i wasnt sure how he was gonna be. But i take exception with signing a top line centre who is wait and see. I agree We don't ever seem to get the best out of what we sign,nowhere near. But why is that ? For me it has to come down to the coach and the attitude of the management. As said before,if you look at our roster and Cardiffs they look pretty comparable CV wise,but over the last three years the two clubs performances are chalk and cheese. Therefore it can only come down to coaching and club attitude. It seems to me lack of motivation is a major factor......Has Neilson simply been here too long ? It would certainly seem to explain why we do well in Europe.....is that the only thing Corey can motivate himself for these days and that filters down into the team.
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Post by pantherdman on Jan 19, 2018 23:05:35 GMT
The league is an old boys club. A closed shop. No independent regulation. Run by the owners. The goal is to make as much money as possible with as little effort and expenditure as possible. It’s always the same faces, faces who can do no wrong. But if someone new rocks the boat, they’re out in a second. They have their regular meetings, give lip service to a few ‘new’ things, but it all stays the same. The league is certainly weighted. This is the reason sports media, especially tv, stay away. This is the reason the elite league is not recognised officially. This is why they are petrified of a supporters trust. It’s not about sport, it’s about money, don’t threaten the gravy train.
But it won’t change, panthers will sell out tomorrow night, the play off weekend will make a tonne of money. Where will that money go? Do the fans have a right to know?
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Post by Yotes on Jan 20, 2018 2:14:22 GMT
...nowhere near the top player budget either. What are the numbers for all the teams? I'm sorry, but we have 14 (had 15) imports, 5 senior Brits, 2 full-time juniors and 3 others. These guys will be costing plenty. We're miles behind Fife, are we really not spending more than them?
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 3:30:41 GMT
Absolute rubbish. So anytime we lose, it must be because we threw the game and not because the opposition played better than us? Seriously.... What, in your opinion is the problem with the Panthers Karl? I don’t profess or pretend to know. However I certainly don’t believe we purposely lose games, as has been suggested. If any of you genuinely think the team set out to not win everything they can then I honestly don’t know what to say. As a sports professional do you really believe they are here to just make our league entertaining? Just because we are a big team and have financial clout doesn’t mean we have a god given right to win every game. If that were the case there would be at least 3 other teams in this league with the same ethos.
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 3:32:25 GMT
Aha So the question has been voiced... Competitive Sport or Entertainment? If it's entertainment then considering year in year in attendance figures his management team can't be doing too much wrong. If it's sport then ya gota say his mamanagement team have a poor performance record. Can a club have a dual focus.... competitive sport and entertainment? I personally don't think so... you can be hospitable, welcoming and commercial whilst holding a sporting event but that's not the same as being entertaining. A poor record? 5 trophy’s in the last 4 years (second best in the entire league). 8 trophies in the last 5 years. (Best in the league) Not that poor of a record really....
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 3:42:12 GMT
I agree entirely that we're not even close. But imo that its due to inconpitence rather than lack of resource. For me we consitently dont get bang for our buck. I dont think we get out spent. But we always do worse with what we have. Its easy to say knee jerk reaction, throw money at the problem. But i dont feel thats the right thing to do. We need fundemental change in our organisation. Anyone who does anything at 'any cost' is very blinkered and foolish in my mind. Just ask the players if they want to be on Cardiff money or Panthers money. I think you would be surprised at how much bigger (as in MUCH bigger) the Cardiff budget is. So from knowing two players salary’s from their time at Panthers and from ones subsequent time at Cardiff, you now know that Cardiff’s wage budget is much bigger than ours? Please elaborate I’m sure we would all love to hear your inside knowledge on the matter..
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Post by iginla on Jan 20, 2018 9:17:10 GMT
Karl Panthers win trophies yes,or they used to,but not the only trophy that really matters. Just explain to me this question if you think Panthers record is so acceptable.
How does a team which only has 3 or possibly 4 realistic main rivals and for a good while also played in a very small league of 5 or 6 teams,only mount a league title challenge ONCE in the last 18 years over the NIC era ? Virtually every other year they are dead and buried with 2 or 3 months of the season still to play.
Why is that if we are so good ?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 9:20:44 GMT
Does Karl work for the Panthers?
Bizarre comments to say the least.
Iginla Panthers made a challenge for the league back in 2003/4 we were still around 15 points behind Steelers in 2nd!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 9:23:18 GMT
One season comment which always makes me laugh coming from that clown Moran is "season ticket sales up on last year record "
They are up every year strangely, I'm surprised we don't have sell outs every week on that basis.
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 9:25:57 GMT
Does Karl work for the Panthers? Bizarre comments to say the least. Iginla Panthers made a challenge for the league back in 2003/4 we were still around 15 points behind Steelers in 2nd! Bizarre comments, please elaborate? I’m pointing out that most teams would kill to have the trophy haul that we have had.
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 9:28:29 GMT
Karl Panthers win trophies yes,or they used to,but not the only trophy that really matters. Just explain to me this question if you think Panthers record is so acceptable. How does a team which only has 3 or possibly 4 realistic main rivals and for a good while also played in a very small league of 5 or 6 teams,only mount a league title challenge ONCE in the last 18 years over the NIC era ? Virtually every other year they are dead and buried with 2 or 3 months of the season still to play. Why is that if we are so good ? That’s is something I have no argument for. We truly should be pressing for the title more than we are.
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Post by vercingetorix1966 on Jan 20, 2018 9:38:09 GMT
One season comment which always makes me laugh coming from that clown Moran is "season ticket sales up on last year record " They are up every year strangely, I'm surprised we don't have sell outs every week on that basis. It should be quite easy to get a reasonably accurate figure for this I would think by counting a single block each time a game goes on sale at 9am. Disregard the ones you can’t buy season tickets in and you only have to count seats taken in about 14 blocks.
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Post by BigLad on Jan 20, 2018 10:08:42 GMT
Does Karl work for the Panthers? Bizarre comments to say the least. Iginla Panthers made a challenge for the league back in 2003/4 we were still around 15 points behind Steelers in 2nd! So now someone who doesn't agree with what people like yourself, Ant and Iginla are saying means they work for the club?!?! My word things are getting real tin-foil hatty on here now!! Keep it coming peeps, it's making me wee wee myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 10:10:54 GMT
Does Karl work for the Panthers? Bizarre comments to say the least. Iginla Panthers made a challenge for the league back in 2003/4 we were still around 15 points behind Steelers in 2nd! So now someone who doesn't agree with what people like yourself, Ant and Iginla are saying means they work for the club?!?! My word things are getting real tin-foil hatty on here now!! Keep it coming peeps, it's making me wee wee myself. Since when have I not agreed with what iginla says regarding running of the Panthers, I know who is he and know that he knows what goes on behind the scenes! Either that or you've quoted the wrong person
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 10:11:05 GMT
Does Karl work for the Panthers? Bizarre comments to say the least. Iginla Panthers made a challenge for the league back in 2003/4 we were still around 15 points behind Steelers in 2nd! So now someone who doesn't agree with what people like yourself, Ant and Iginla are saying means they work for the club?!?! My word things are getting real tin-foil hatty on here now!! Keep it coming peeps, it's making me wee wee myself. I found it highly amusing that Pidge found my comments in this thread as “bizarre” when we have people actually suggesting we set up to throw the league every year...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 10:15:23 GMT
Aha So the question has been voiced... Competitive Sport or Entertainment? If it's entertainment then considering year in year in attendance figures his management team can't be doing too much wrong. If it's sport then ya gota say his mamanagement team have a poor performance record. Can a club have a dual focus.... competitive sport and entertainment? I personally don't think so... you can be hospitable, welcoming and commercial whilst holding a sporting event but that's not the same as being entertaining. A poor record? 5 trophy’s in the last 4 years (second best in the entire league). 8 trophies in the last 5 years. (Best in the league) Not that poor of a record really.... So you're quite happy with 4 challenges cup to the equivalent of one league title then because that's the impression I get
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 10:20:21 GMT
A poor record? 5 trophy’s in the last 4 years (second best in the entire league). 8 trophies in the last 5 years. (Best in the league) Not that poor of a record really.... So you're quite happy with 4 challenges cup to the equivalent of one league title then because that's the impression I get I’m a sports fan, I’m never happy when my team doesn’t win. But I also have to be a realist and realise I’m not entitled to win everything cause I pay to watch it. Birmingham city are never going to win big ever, it doesn’t stop me supporting them avidly. You think the Panthers have it bad, try supporting a club that for 10 years had its owner locked up in Hong Kong. I agree things are not always easy and we don’t win as much as we would all like. But the endless cycle of constant negativity and attacks against the club is just boring as hell to read.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 10:26:55 GMT
So you're quite happy with 4 challenges cup to the equivalent of one league title then because that's the impression I get I’m a sports fan, I’m never happy when my team doesn’t win. But I also have to be a realist and realise I’m not entitled to win everything cause I pay to watch it. Birmingham city are never going to win big ever, it doesn’t stop me supporting them avidly. You think the Panthers have it bad, try supporting a club that for 10 years had its owner locked up in Hong Kong. I agree things are not always easy and we don’t win as much as we would all like. But the endless cycle of constant negativity and attacks against the club is just boring as hell to read. Don't compare the Panthers to Birmingham city they play in a 24 team league where things are much more a levelled. There's 8-10 teams in with a chance of going up/play offs Panthers play in a league of 10 where realistically there's only 4 teams I with a chance of success EVERY year and Panthers are one of them. Yet have a look where they currently lie and finished the last 4 years!
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 20, 2018 10:33:44 GMT
Panthers play in a league of 10... Just a small point, it's 12 these days.
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 10:34:39 GMT
I’m a sports fan, I’m never happy when my team doesn’t win. But I also have to be a realist and realise I’m not entitled to win everything cause I pay to watch it. Birmingham city are never going to win big ever, it doesn’t stop me supporting them avidly. You think the Panthers have it bad, try supporting a club that for 10 years had its owner locked up in Hong Kong. I agree things are not always easy and we don’t win as much as we would all like. But the endless cycle of constant negativity and attacks against the club is just boring as hell to read. Don't compare the Panthers to Birmingham city they play in a 24 team league where things are much more a levelled. There's 8-10 teams in with a chance of going up/play offs Panthers play in a league of 10 where realistically there's only 4 teams I with a chance of success EVERY year and Panthers are one of them. Yet have a look where they currently lie and finished the last 4 years! Yeah we won’t win the league this year, that absolutely sucks, it really does. It was such a great start to the season and the club was a real feelgood place to be again. Ok I won’t compare sports teams again...🙄
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 10:34:50 GMT
Panthers play in a league of 10... Just a small point, it's 12 these days. Lol meant 12 but that wasn't the point was it
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 10:39:14 GMT
I think people (me included) can take it defeat. What i can't accept is lack of effort and the attitude the Panthers management seem to take every sodding season.
Can anyone on here say Panthers put the effort in on boxing day/27th December and it was brushed under the carpet after the beat a poor blaze team a few days later !
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Post by Karl on Jan 20, 2018 10:49:42 GMT
I think people (me included) can take it defeat. What i can't accept is lack of effort and the attitude the Panthers management seem to take every sodding season. Can anyone on here say Panthers put the effort in on boxing day/27th December and it was brushed under the carpet after the beat a poor blaze team a few days later ! What do you want them to say? They are trying to market to fans. I’ve never seen a sports club drag out the lack of effort in particular games and portray it over social media and the website etc? What kind of a marketing strategy would that be? They will always try to find a positive. That’s good marketing, you don’t want doom and gloom around your brand/team.
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Post by simonm on Jan 20, 2018 10:52:23 GMT
Let's see if I understand this correctly.
We ALL agree hockey is a business We ALL agree a stable league with all teams being in profit is the ideal. We ALL agree that teams depending upon their running costs have different amounts of cash to spend on their players. We ALL agree it's strange that Panthers haven't won the league more times than they have considering others teams successes. We ALL agree no one wants to be negative about our team.
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