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Post by simonm on Jan 19, 2018 17:08:51 GMT
Let's be clear about this i don't think players 'throw' games...
I think players come here with all the right intentions and some for one reason or another don't perform.
Some are asked would they come back And reply 'And play for that coach ? Not on your life! " some are described as dressing room bad eggs.
I know I've started something difficult, that's why I titled the topic so.... And why no one wants to talk about it... But it's really about the question are you watching a competitive sport or is it more like wrestling on world of sport ?
I know some have said they're being conned, and I suspect they feel this way because they believe they go to watch a sport. I however think it's entertainment and as such know what I'm paying for and can judge it on those merits. If like others (and me in the past) you think it's sports then you probably skate every shift, pass every puck and take every hit and as such are emotionally attached to the results and league position of the team. I walk away from the nights entertainment asking myself was it fun in a very 'in the moment kinda way.
So calm down and think rational and maybe answer which of the two you think it is and maybe think about asking Mr Black which one he thinks he's providing ?
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Post by simonm on Jan 19, 2018 17:21:02 GMT
People argue you can't buy the league. Of course you can,that's why nobody other than the big four/five ever win it,or even win any trophy......and the "little teams" never will win it because they can't spend enough. You see you're wrong there, as there's never a problem spending money and clubs in the past that couldn't afford to do it have done just that, won titles, have banners hanging from the rafters of regimes long gone to the receiver. So it's proven you can spend, but you've only so big a barn and you can only bring in a finite amount. It's about % return on investment.... Some clubs have large outgoings others not so.... So as long as ALL club chairmen see a similar percentage return everyone's happy.
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 19, 2018 17:25:23 GMT
I don't believe it's possible to engineer who wins what,as for one players would not entertain that. However i do sincerely believe that in Panthers case we deliberately set out to "keep things close" to avoid other clubs feeling they can't compete,by spending nowhere near what we could. Depending which side of the fence you sit,there is logic in the "keep it close theory", but looking purely as a Panthers fan it is truly not acceptable. But if this "keep it close" scenario is true,then the league we play in is false,we are being asked to swallow all the Panthers excuses for our abject failures and yet still believe our club is doing everything it can to win,when in reality nothing is further from the truth. The simple fact is,that if Panthers wanted to they could blow the EIHL opposition away most years. However the fact we don't even compete for the league title,simply leads me to believe we don't want to win it and the whole league is fixed. We are being conned in Nottingham into watching a sport which is nothing but false entertainment for the sole purpose of lining our owners pockets ! Would you rather panthers "keep it close" and the league carry on for the next 30 years. Or would you prefer Panthers out spend everyone, blow teams out the water and the league colapse in 5 years. Forcing panthers have to find some other way to play hockey? Honest question
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Post by simonm on Jan 19, 2018 17:35:59 GMT
You quoted Iginia but I'd like to answer it this way.
I don't mind Panthers throttling back to allow the league to be competitive and as such have close entertaining games both home and away.
I object to the feeling i have that Panthers management also 'manage' the supporters of other teams and thus their financial stability by NOT competing in a level playing field.
You see the wage cap system was proven not to work, Sheffield, Cardiff etc proved that it could be gotten around. So I don't like the idea that Mr Black doesn't need Panthers to win to make his money year in year out.
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Post by dp on Jan 19, 2018 17:54:38 GMT
Interesting topic.
I don’t think there’s any doubt that Black doesn’t spend anything like what he could do and pockets the remainder. But he’s a businessman with no emotional attachment to Panthers and knows that crowds are increasing regardless of how bad we are. Why would he spend more? If people here, Nottingham born and bred, saw a club from a city they had no affiliation with, in a sport they know nothing about and don’t care about come up for sale with a big fan base, a shiny new arena/stadium on the horizon which you weren’t going to have to pay for etc etc, would you do any different? It’s a business for him - never going to be anything different.
Regarding whether the whole thing’s fixed, I can see where people are coming from. I admit there have been games early in seasons when the referees have been so unbelievably biased against us that it was difficult to believe the result wasn’t pre-determined to a degree. I remember a game against Belfast a few years ago and walking out saying “the league have decided it’s their turn then”....and they did win it! Probably a total coincidence and just a bad refereeing performance but the fact I even thought it, and that this thread is already two pages long, says it all.
And there are easily ways we could “manage the players” priorities to ensure they didn’t compete in the league. For a start, NA players don’t value the league. It’d be very easy to tell the players “the play offs are the most important thing for this club” and they’d think that was entirely normal.
And this could be done subconsciously too - organising nights out during the season, allowing them to stay out late in Belfast, making training start later in the morning than they’re used to etc. That sort of culture will very quickly influence the players’ level of commitment without them ever questioning their own integrity and professionalism.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 19, 2018 18:12:21 GMT
I don't believe it's possible to engineer who wins what,as for one players would not entertain that. However i do sincerely believe that in Panthers case we deliberately set out to "keep things close" to avoid other clubs feeling they can't compete,by spending nowhere near what we could. Depending which side of the fence you sit,there is logic in the "keep it close theory", but looking purely as a Panthers fan it is truly not acceptable. But if this "keep it close" scenario is true,then the league we play in is false,we are being asked to swallow all the Panthers excuses for our abject failures and yet still believe our club is doing everything it can to win,when in reality nothing is further from the truth. The simple fact is,that if Panthers wanted to they could blow the EIHL opposition away most years. However the fact we don't even compete for the league title,simply leads me to believe we don't want to win it and the whole league is fixed. We are being conned in Nottingham into watching a sport which is nothing but false entertainment for the sole purpose of lining our owners pockets ! Would you rather panthers "keep it close" and the league carry on for the next 30 years. Or would you prefer Panthers out spend everyone, blow teams out the water and the league colapse in 5 years. Forcing panthers have to find some other way to play hockey? Honest question But Panthers haven’t kept it close have they. We are nowhere near the top teams this year and nowhere near the top player budget either. For me I’m a sports fan and sport is about winning. Not winning at any cost but winning. Winning is everything. Anything else is a waste of a winter as far as I’m concerned.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:16:28 GMT
Would you rather panthers "keep it close" and the league carry on for the next 30 years. Or would you prefer Panthers out spend everyone, blow teams out the water and the league colapse in 5 years. Forcing panthers have to find some other way to play hockey? Honest question But Panthers haven’t kept it close have they. We are nowhere near the top teams this year and nowhere near the top player budget either. For me I’m a sports fan and sport is about winning. Not winning at any cost but winning. Winning is everything. Anything else is a waste of a winter as far as I’m concerned. Exactly my view.. if I want a good night I ll go to the local pub! There's only one reason I go to the arena
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:29:21 GMT
In leagues where there are spending caps to keep the league competitive, like the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB...etc are we also to consider them an entertainment product rather than a sport?
The majority of elite sports leagues in the world has a way to artificially keep said league competitive. Even the EPL with financial fair play is starting to introduce this. It may some way off ever being a level playing field but the Man City's and Chelsea's of this world can't now go out and spend a billion quid on a squad in the summer without some ramifacations. Don't get me wrong that still happens in football but the game is starting to act upon it.
So to the EIHL, we don't have a wage cap, being such a primitive sport in this country they could never police that. What there appears to be though is a general consensus amongst the owners that it is important to have a competitive league. Whilst Panthers, Sheffield or Belfast probably could go out one season(even maybe several consecutive seasons) and blow the league away, the owners have more intelligence than we give them credit for. They know that such an act will create a domino effect of other big boys upping the ante, the smaller teams attempting to keep up and eventually we end up with the ISL again.
Make no mistake, I wish we flexed our financial muscle more than we do currently but I love that we are now in a league where any team can turn up any given night and win home or away.
What I would like to see, and there is no chance what so ever of this ever happening, is teams that do run a surplus and there are probably a few, I would like those team to invest that money into either the leagues infrastructure or development structure. Put money into the Junior game or the national team.
I have no problem with owners taking a share of the pie if they are able to make a profit on a sports team in this day and age. Buying a sports team is a risky thing to do so for them to take a return on investment doesn't bother me at all. It's when fans are treated as a money making machine that I feel it goes too far and it feels like that is happening at our club. I don't see where else the money we are saving on Shalla's wages is going other than into a surplus which ultimately is likely to end up in NB's account rather than a Panthers savings account.
So to conclude I don't think there's a conspiracy as to who wins what each year(although if there was then our turn must be coming up soon) but yes there is a gentlemans agreement in place to keep it close but I don't necessarily see that as a negative.
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2018 18:33:18 GMT
Exactly my view too,I'm a sports fan. I go to games to watch us hopefully win,if I want entertainment there are plenty of other options out there. If you don't want to win you shouldn't be playing sport.
Maybe we don't win the league because our players come over,see our seeming lax attitude towards winning and think stuff this I'm not busting a gut if the management don't care.
Wonder what our remaining players think about the Shalla/non replacement situation ? If I was sitting in the dressing room and the coach or management was bawling at the team because we wern't winning,I'd be thinking who the hell are you to bollock me when you havn't done your job and replaced Shalla.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 19, 2018 18:41:23 GMT
In leagues where there are spending caps to keep the league competitive, like the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB...etc are we also to consider them an entertainment product rather than a sport? The majority of elite sports leagues in the world has a way to artificially keep said league competitive. Even the EPL with financial fair play is starting to introduce this. It may some way off ever being a level playing field but the Man City's and Chelsea's of this world can't now go out and spend a billion quid on a squad in the summer without some ramifacations. Don't get me wrong that still happens in football but the game is starting to act upon it. So to the EIHL, we don't have a wage cap, being such a primitive sport in this country they could never police that. What there appears to be though is a general consensus amongst the owners that it is important to have a competitive league. Whilst Panthers, Sheffield or Belfast probably could go out one season(even maybe several consecutive seasons) and blow the league away, the owners have more intelligence than we give them credit for. They know that such an act will create a domino effect of other big boys upping the ante, the smaller teams attempting to keep up and eventually we end up with the ISL again. Make no mistake, I wish we flexed our financial muscle more than we do currently but I love that we are now in a league where any team can turn up any given night and win home or away. What I would like to see, and there is no chance what so ever of this ever happening, is teams that do run a surplus and there are probably a few, I would like those team to invest that money into either the leagues infrastructure or development structure. Put money into the Junior game or the national team. I have no problem with owners taking a share of the pie if they are able to make a profit on a sports team in this day and age. Buying a sports team is a risky thing to do so for them to take a return on investment doesn't bother me at all. It's when fans are treated as a money making machine that I feel it goes too far and it feels like that is happening at our club. I don't see where else the money we are saving on Shalla's wages is going other than into a surplus which ultimately is likely to end up in NB's account rather than a Panthers savings account. So to conclude I don't think there's a conspiracy as to who wins what each year(although if there was then our turn must be coming up soon) but yes there is a gentlemans agreement in place to keep it close but I don't necessarily see that as a negative. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just a sport that’s leaning too far towards the entertainment angle. I see it the same as many others every Saturday night with less and less long time fans and more and more people getting up during play and more and more there as part of a night out. I don’t begrudge them and have nothing against that but for me I am 100% for my team as a sport. I don’t want a percentage of my season ticket money used to prop up teams to come and beat mine and I want MY team to compete. If that’s the way that it’s going to be I could walk away easily but I guess I am part of a dying breed at the NIC nowadays.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2018 18:53:00 GMT
In leagues where there are spending caps to keep the league competitive, like the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB...etc are we also to consider them an entertainment product rather than a sport? The majority of elite sports leagues in the world has a way to artificially keep said league competitive. Even the EPL with financial fair play is starting to introduce this. It may some way off ever being a level playing field but the Man City's and Chelsea's of this world can't now go out and spend a billion quid on a squad in the summer without some ramifacations. Don't get me wrong that still happens in football but the game is starting to act upon it. So to the EIHL, we don't have a wage cap, being such a primitive sport in this country they could never police that. What there appears to be though is a general consensus amongst the owners that it is important to have a competitive league. Whilst Panthers, Sheffield or Belfast probably could go out one season(even maybe several consecutive seasons) and blow the league away, the owners have more intelligence than we give them credit for. They know that such an act will create a domino effect of other big boys upping the ante, the smaller teams attempting to keep up and eventually we end up with the ISL again. Make no mistake, I wish we flexed our financial muscle more than we do currently but I love that we are now in a league where any team can turn up any given night and win home or away. What I would like to see, and there is no chance what so ever of this ever happening, is teams that do run a surplus and there are probably a few, I would like those team to invest that money into either the leagues infrastructure or development structure. Put money into the Junior game or the national team. I have no problem with owners taking a share of the pie if they are able to make a profit on a sports team in this day and age. Buying a sports team is a risky thing to do so for them to take a return on investment doesn't bother me at all. It's when fans are treated as a money making machine that I feel it goes too far and it feels like that is happening at our club. I don't see where else the money we are saving on Shalla's wages is going other than into a surplus which ultimately is likely to end up in NB's account rather than a Panthers savings account. So to conclude I don't think there's a conspiracy as to who wins what each year(although if there was then our turn must be coming up soon) but yes there is a gentlemans agreement in place to keep it close but I don't necessarily see that as a negative. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just a sport that’s leaning too far towards the entertainment angle. I see it the same as many others every Saturday night with less and less long time fans and more and more people getting up during play and more and more there as part of a night out. I don’t begrudge them and have nothing against that but for me I am 100% for my team as a sport. I don’t want a percentage of my season ticket money used to prop up teams to come and beat mine and I want MY team to compete. If that’s the way that it’s going to be I could walk away easily but I guess I am part of a dying breed at the NIC nowadays. So are we looking at the league as a whole or Panthers specifically? I'm not disagreeing with you that our arena is becoming stale, our match night experience is quite frankly, crap. We have a fantastic facility but no soul. Simple things could change that but we don't do what is required because the management don't see the point. We have no acceptable excuse for not putting up a title challenge. It's a disgrace for this to happen year after year. I don't expect a league title every year but we should be competing at the very least. Our owner has the balance very wrong but I don't see that as a league wide problem. Is it greed on his part? It's taken me a long time to get there but I'm coming around to this way of thinking. The league as a whole though I feel is performing and progressing in the right direction. We make some monumental PR gaffes, such as the Spiro incident but generally we are moving in the right direction.
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2018 18:57:09 GMT
In leagues where there are spending caps to keep the league competitive, like the NHL, NFL, NBA, MLB...etc are we also to consider them an entertainment product rather than a sport? The majority of elite sports leagues in the world has a way to artificially keep said league competitive. Even the EPL with financial fair play is starting to introduce this. It may some way off ever being a level playing field but the Man City's and Chelsea's of this world can't now go out and spend a billion quid on a squad in the summer without some ramifacations. Don't get me wrong that still happens in football but the game is starting to act upon it. So to the EIHL, we don't have a wage cap, being such a primitive sport in this country they could never police that. What there appears to be though is a general consensus amongst the owners that it is important to have a competitive league. Whilst Panthers, Sheffield or Belfast probably could go out one season(even maybe several consecutive seasons) and blow the league away, the owners have more intelligence than we give them credit for. They know that such an act will create a domino effect of other big boys upping the ante, the smaller teams attempting to keep up and eventually we end up with the ISL again. Make no mistake, I wish we flexed our financial muscle more than we do currently but I love that we are now in a league where any team can turn up any given night and win home or away. What I would like to see, and there is no chance what so ever of this ever happening, is teams that do run a surplus and there are probably a few, I would like those team to invest that money into either the leagues infrastructure or development structure. Put money into the Junior game or the national team. I have no problem with owners taking a share of the pie if they are able to make a profit on a sports team in this day and age. Buying a sports team is a risky thing to do so for them to take a return on investment doesn't bother me at all. It's when fans are treated as a money making machine that I feel it goes too far and it feels like that is happening at our club. I don't see where else the money we are saving on Shalla's wages is going other than into a surplus which ultimately is likely to end up in NB's account rather than a Panthers savings account. So to conclude I don't think there's a conspiracy as to who wins what each year(although if there was then our turn must be coming up soon) but yes there is a gentlemans agreement in place to keep it close but I don't necessarily see that as a negative. It’s not a conspiracy it’s just a sport that’s leaning too far towards the entertainment angle. I see it the same as many others every Saturday night with less and less long time fans and more and more people getting up during play and more and more there as part of a night out. I don’t begrudge them and have nothing against that but for me I am 100% for my team as a sport. I don’t want a percentage of my season ticket money used to prop up teams to come and beat mine and I want MY team to compete. If that’s the way that it’s going to be I could walk away easily but I guess I am part of a dying breed at the NIC nowadays. I agree it seems to have gone too far towards entertainment rather than sport. I'd like to ask Neil Black this question. Are Panthers entertainment first and foremost or are we in it to win, a one word answer........."entertainment" or "winning" ? If the answer was "entertainment",my last game would have been watched.
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Post by Mark on Jan 19, 2018 19:22:40 GMT
It's all about who you work for... The coach doesn't work for the players he works for the owner.. the players however work for the coach. Yotes... what you're saying is that even if we've cut our cloth to match the other teams and be competitive.... the results over the years of league wins, say we've not been, and the explaination is that it's poor players ? poor coaching ? bad luck ? But I'll tell you one thing. From now one you'll not be able to walk away from a game without think 'how did that happen with those players on the ice'.. Absolute rubbish. So anytime we lose, it must be because we threw the game and not because the opposition played better than us? Seriously.... What, in your opinion is the problem with the Panthers Karl?
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Post by simonm on Jan 19, 2018 19:24:07 GMT
Aha So the question has been voiced...
Competitive Sport or Entertainment?
If it's entertainment then considering year in year in attendance figures his management team can't be doing too much wrong.
If it's sport then ya gota say his mamanagement team have a poor performance record.
Can a club have a dual focus.... competitive sport and entertainment?
I personally don't think so... you can be hospitable, welcoming and commercial whilst holding a sporting event but that's not the same as being entertaining.
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Post by simonm on Jan 19, 2018 19:26:41 GMT
Actually Karl i was very specific with the words I chose....
I never mentioned Panthers had to lose for one to think that.
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 19, 2018 19:50:12 GMT
Would you rather panthers "keep it close" and the league carry on for the next 30 years. Or would you prefer Panthers out spend everyone, blow teams out the water and the league colapse in 5 years. Forcing panthers have to find some other way to play hockey? Honest question But Panthers haven’t kept it close have they. We are nowhere near the top teams this year and nowhere near the top player budget either. For me I’m a sports fan and sport is about winning. Not winning at any cost but winning. Winning is everything. Anything else is a waste of a winter as far as I’m concerned. I agree entirely that we're not even close. But imo that its due to inconpitence rather than lack of resource. For me we consitently dont get bang for our buck. I dont think we get out spent. But we always do worse with what we have. Its easy to say knee jerk reaction, throw money at the problem. But i dont feel thats the right thing to do. We need fundemental change in our organisation. Anyone who does anything at 'any cost' is very blinkered and foolish in my mind.
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Post by simonm on Jan 19, 2018 20:23:04 GMT
I agree entirely that we're not even close. But imo that its due to inconpitence rather than lack of resource. For me we consitently dont get bang for our buck. I dont think we get out spent. But we always do worse with what we have. Its easy to say knee jerk reaction, throw money at the problem. But i dont feel thats the right thing to do. We need fundemental change in our organisation. Incompetence ? If I invested in a sports club which brought me financial returns year after year from an increasing fan base just how could I accuse my management team of incompetence ? I'd give em a rise. And again What exactly would I be getting extra for any increase in spending ? Panthers wins the league over and over again and my Scottish club folds due to falling attendance ?
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2018 21:01:34 GMT
I agree entirely that we're not even close. But imo that its due to inconpitence rather than lack of resource. For me we consitently dont get bang for our buck. I dont think we get out spent. But we always do worse with what we have. Its easy to say knee jerk reaction, throw money at the problem. But i dont feel thats the right thing to do. We need fundemental change in our organisation. Incompetence ? If I invested in a sports club which brought me financial returns year after year from an increasing fan base just how could I accuse my management team of incompetence ? I'd give em a rise. And again What exactly would I be getting extra for any increase in spending ? Panthers wins the league over and over again and my Scottish club folds due to falling attendance ? We’re not asking or expecting to win the league EVERY year. But it would be rather nice to win it more often,or at least be in with chance come January. In seventeen years of buying 3 season tickets each year, I’ve seen my team compete for the league beyond January about TWICE ! That’s a lot of ticket money for very little reward. Not to mention the tens of thousands of £s in sponsorship I used to put into the club.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 19, 2018 21:23:49 GMT
But Panthers haven’t kept it close have they. We are nowhere near the top teams this year and nowhere near the top player budget either. For me I’m a sports fan and sport is about winning. Not winning at any cost but winning. Winning is everything. Anything else is a waste of a winter as far as I’m concerned. I agree entirely that we're not even close. But imo that its due to inconpitence rather than lack of resource. For me we consitently dont get bang for our buck. I dont think we get out spent. But we always do worse with what we have. Its easy to say knee jerk reaction, throw money at the problem. But i dont feel thats the right thing to do. We need fundemental change in our organisation. Anyone who does anything at 'any cost' is very blinkered and foolish in my mind. Just ask the players if they want to be on Cardiff money or Panthers money. I think you would be surprised at how much bigger (as in MUCH bigger) the Cardiff budget is.
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Post by dill1015 on Jan 19, 2018 21:25:28 GMT
I agree entirely that we're not even close. But imo that its due to inconpitence rather than lack of resource. For me we consitently dont get bang for our buck. I dont think we get out spent. But we always do worse with what we have. Its easy to say knee jerk reaction, throw money at the problem. But i dont feel thats the right thing to do. We need fundemental change in our organisation. Anyone who does anything at 'any cost' is very blinkered and foolish in my mind. Just ask the players if they want to be on Cardiff money or Panthers money. I think you would be surprised at how much bigger (as in MUCH bigger) the Cardiff budget is. Well we recruit well then coz our squads cv wise are not much different.
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2018 21:29:29 GMT
Just ask the players if they want to be on Cardiff money or Panthers money. I think you would be surprised at how much bigger (as in MUCH bigger) the Cardiff budget is. Well we recruit well then coz our squads cv wise are not much different. The difference must be then that Cardiff have got a decent coach ! Either that or Lord gets more out of his players than Neilson does.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 19, 2018 21:34:10 GMT
Just ask the players if they want to be on Cardiff money or Panthers money. I think you would be surprised at how much bigger (as in MUCH bigger) the Cardiff budget is. Well we recruit well then coz our squads cv wise are not much different. You need to ask Doucet or even Mosey what the difference is.
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Post by dp on Jan 19, 2018 21:48:56 GMT
What I would like to see, and there is no chance what so ever of this ever happening, is teams that do run a surplus and there are probably a few, I would like those team to invest that money into either the leagues infrastructure or development structure. Put money into the Junior game or the national team. . This type of arrangement has been discussed by Black etc in the past. And it's similar to the EPL's old "luxury tax" whereby there was a wage cap, which you could break if you wanted to, but for every pound over the wage cap spent, the club would have to pay into the league kitty which was used to prop up the smaller teams. It was suggested for the Elite league, but the Black/Moran argument was "why should we work so hard to fill our arena just to subsidise the Edinburghs of the league who do nothing to promote their product?". I can kinda see their point, but it's a very simplistic viewpoint and it's difficult to believe it's not driven by Black wanting to get richer. Imagine if the top 6 in the Premier League took that stand and didn't share the TV money.
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Post by iginla on Jan 19, 2018 22:03:48 GMT
What I would like to see, and there is no chance what so ever of this ever happening, is teams that do run a surplus and there are probably a few, I would like those team to invest that money into either the leagues infrastructure or development structure. Put money into the Junior game or the national team. . This type of arrangement has been discussed by Black etc in the past. And it's similar to the EPL's old "luxury tax" whereby there was a wage cap, which you could break if you wanted to, but for every pound over the wage cap spent, the club would have to pay into the league kitty which was used to prop up the smaller teams. It was suggested for the Elite league, but the Black/Moran argument was "why should we work so hard to fill our arena just to subsidise the Edinburghs of the league who do nothing to promote their product?". I can kinda see their point, but it's a very simplistic viewpoint and it's difficult to believe it's not driven by Black wanting to get richer. Imagine if the top 6 in the Premier League took that stand and didn't share the TV money. True indeed. Why should we subsidise small clubs who seem to do little to get better themselves. But on the other hand,why should we Panthers fans turn up in our thousands every week,only to see our club hold back on our spending/recruitment just to keep things close. Even that £500k generated for the EIHL at play off weekend will get split equally between the 12 clubs and who generated a very large chunk of that £500k .....yep the Panthers fans ! It is just so frustrating. It seems the only losers in this whole sorry scenario are the Panthers fans.
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Post by Mark on Jan 19, 2018 22:11:26 GMT
Bottom line is, whatever the situation regarding money, aims, management, coaching and ownership the Panthers are crap, season after season, and as usual the silence is deafening.
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