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Post by deke on Jun 25, 2017 19:52:30 GMT
Signings haven't been outstanding so far bar garnett. Yes he is a bit older but I wanted an experienced net minder which we certainly got. It would have been lovely to have a goal tender with that experience and younger, but to be honest would he join if he was? Probably not. If he does get injured then we have two goalies in reserve. Players we have have unremarkable cvs. However they are young, they won't have as much experience to go off. I would like to know how old this perfect player is what numbers and experience they are actually expecting. It's the eihl not the ahl khl nhl or any of the big leagues.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 19:55:48 GMT
Social media doesn't matter! Social media posts are forgotten days if not hours after they appear. This maybe the most flagrantly ignorant thing I have read on this entire thread. Social media (which is a slang term anyway) is the single most important marketing tool in existence right now and it's only going to get bigger and more important - don't do it right and you get left behind.
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Post by Ghost on Jun 25, 2017 21:11:08 GMT
I've decided to avoid the Cage until some important news is there to discuss, sick of the constant bickering / whinging.
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Post by deke on Jun 25, 2017 21:33:56 GMT
I'm hoping for some good news tomorrow. Corey is back so fingers crossed
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Post by Mark Mac on Jun 25, 2017 21:35:06 GMT
Social media doesn't matter! Social media posts are forgotten days if not hours after they appear. This maybe the most flagrantly ignorant thing I have read on this entire thread. Social media (which is a slang term anyway) is the single most important marketing tool in existence right now and it's only going to get bigger and more important - don't do it right and you get left behind. On 3 counts you are wrong. 1. There is an enormous amount of drivel posted here thus it cannot be the "most flagrantly ignorant thing" here. 2. People do not remember social media posts. They are forgotten. Considering the Panthers hadn't been doing it right for so many years and yet are very successful with attendances would show that social media isn't important. 3. During the offseason when there is nothing happening social media is not important.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 22:06:52 GMT
This maybe the most flagrantly ignorant thing I have read on this entire thread. Social media (which is a slang term anyway) is the single most important marketing tool in existence right now and it's only going to get bigger and more important - don't do it right and you get left behind. On 3 counts you are wrong. 1. There is an enormous amount of drivel posted here thus it cannot be the "most flagrantly ignorant thing" here. 2. People do not remember social media posts. They are forgotten. Considering the Panthers hadn't been doing it right for so many years and yet are very successful with attendances would show that social media isn't important. 3. During the offseason when there is nothing happening social media is not important. 1 - You're not wrong, but my statement still stands. What you said was worse because it was oblivious to the world we live in. 2 - It's not about people remembering posts, it's about being relevant and as a minority sport we cannot afford to not be relevant. The Panthers are successful attendance wise, you are correct on that front, they are, however, lucky that they are a business that happens to be a sports team, there's already a connection with the customers (fans) that an ordinary business doesn't have and social media helps to build. Now imagine how much more successful the attendances could be if the connection between the customers (fans) and the business (the club) was stronger. There is no reason you couldn't sell out a rainy Tuesday night game against Edinburgh with minimal investment (mainly time) in effective, creative and relevant social media usage. I say mainly time because the club aren't well known for spending money, the smart thing to do would be to invest some of the advertising budget into targeted Facebook dark posts, Twitter ads, YouTube pre-rolls (they've got more than enough footage for this) and another big one would be to give tickets to Instagram influencers (if anyone from the club does read this that's some free advice from me to you). 3 - During the offseason social media is even more important. I'm not going to explain it to you because it's obvious why and I'm going to hope you're intelligent enough to work it out, please don't disappoint me.
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Post by Mark Mac on Jun 25, 2017 22:55:18 GMT
On 3 counts you are wrong. 1. There is an enormous amount of drivel posted here thus it cannot be the "most flagrantly ignorant thing" here. 2. People do not remember social media posts. They are forgotten. Considering the Panthers hadn't been doing it right for so many years and yet are very successful with attendances would show that social media isn't important. 3. During the offseason when there is nothing happening social media is not important. 1 - You're not wrong, but my statement still stands. What you said was worse because it was oblivious to the world we live in. 2 - It's not about people remembering posts, it's about being relevant and as a minority sport we cannot afford to not be relevant. The Panthers are successful attendance wise, you are correct on that front, they are, however, lucky that they are a business that happens to be a sports team, there's already a connection with the customers (fans) that an ordinary business doesn't have and social media helps to build. Now imagine how much more successful the attendances could be if the connection between the customers (fans) and the business (the club) was stronger. There is no reason you couldn't sell out a rainy Tuesday night game against Edinburgh with minimal investment (mainly time) in effective, creative and relevant social media usage. I say mainly time because the club aren't well known for spending money, the smart thing to do would be to invest some of the advertising budget into targeted Facebook dark posts, Twitter ads, YouTube pre-rolls (they've got more than enough footage for this) and another big one would be to give tickets to Instagram influencers (if anyone from the club does read this that's some free advice from me to you). 3 - During the offseason social media is even more important. I'm not going to explain it to you because it's obvious why and I'm going to hope you're intelligent enough to work it out, please don't disappoint me. Firstly, don't ever patronise me. Now, no amount of social media will ever sell out a rainy Tuesday night game against Edinburgh. To be fair, I cannot imagine anything doing that. You may be part of society that values social media but there is a large part that does not. There's a large part that doesn't give a damn about social media. Considering Panthers regularly sell out or near enough, I can't remember the official figures, social media is even less important. They cannot physically fit more in. No one is going to buy merchandise if they cannot attend a game. No, it is not important in the offseason. The thing that makes the difference for the Panthers is the large amount of physical marketing around Nottingham they do. GM deserves credit for that one. Those people who go to games on a Saturday night and then get hammered afterwards don't come along because social media interested them. They were going out anyway, aware of Panthers from good local marketing and decided to come along. Social media may have said who we are playing but it can't take credit for bringing them all along.
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Post by kievthegreat on Jun 25, 2017 23:09:35 GMT
No, it is not important in the offseason. The thing that makes the difference for the Panthers is the large amount of physical marketing around Nottingham they do. GM deserves credit for that one. Those people who go to games on a Saturday night and then get hammered afterwards don't come along because social media interested them. They were going out anyway, aware of Panthers from good local marketing and decided to come along. Social media may have said who we are playing but it can't take credit for bringing them all along. But if you want to keep growing, you have to retain all those people that come along for the first time. The best way to keep your customers engaged with your product (and shelling out on tickets, merch, 50/50, etc....), is to well..... engage with them. Offseason is very important to reminding everyone when it's going to be hockey time again and to build excitement for the season because we've got these teams coming to town from the CHL, we've got these new signings. Fact is we don't sell out most games and until you do sell every seat you need to look at how you can improve your marketing (of which social media is a massive component).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2017 23:43:04 GMT
1 - You're not wrong, but my statement still stands. What you said was worse because it was oblivious to the world we live in. 2 - It's not about people remembering posts, it's about being relevant and as a minority sport we cannot afford to not be relevant. The Panthers are successful attendance wise, you are correct on that front, they are, however, lucky that they are a business that happens to be a sports team, there's already a connection with the customers (fans) that an ordinary business doesn't have and social media helps to build. Now imagine how much more successful the attendances could be if the connection between the customers (fans) and the business (the club) was stronger. There is no reason you couldn't sell out a rainy Tuesday night game against Edinburgh with minimal investment (mainly time) in effective, creative and relevant social media usage. I say mainly time because the club aren't well known for spending money, the smart thing to do would be to invest some of the advertising budget into targeted Facebook dark posts, Twitter ads, YouTube pre-rolls (they've got more than enough footage for this) and another big one would be to give tickets to Instagram influencers (if anyone from the club does read this that's some free advice from me to you). 3 - During the offseason social media is even more important. I'm not going to explain it to you because it's obvious why and I'm going to hope you're intelligent enough to work it out, please don't disappoint me. Firstly, don't ever patronise me. Now, no amount of social media will ever sell out a rainy Tuesday night game against Edinburgh. To be fair, I cannot imagine anything doing that. You may be part of society that values social media but there is a large part that does not. There's a large part that doesn't give a damn about social media. Considering Panthers regularly sell out or near enough, I can't remember the official figures, social media is even less important. They cannot physically fit more in. No one is going to buy merchandise if they cannot attend a game. No, it is not important in the offseason. The thing that makes the difference for the Panthers is the large amount of physical marketing around Nottingham they do. GM deserves credit for that one. Those people who go to games on a Saturday night and then get hammered afterwards don't come along because social media interested them. They were going out anyway, aware of Panthers from good local marketing and decided to come along. Social media may have said who we are playing but it can't take credit for bringing them all along. If you've made the decision to feel patronised that's on you not me. The minority of society (speaking business wise) that does not embrace social media will be left behind, I guarantee you that. You don't want to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to this. There is no doubt at all that traditional media still has it's place but it's extremely overpriced for its ROI, it's just not that wise of an investment anymore (it's romantic to fully believe in it, much like my hope that David Clarke will stay healthy all of next season, but at the end of the day it's not gonna take you to the next level). The next time you're in Nottingham (or anywhere) look at the people, they aren't looking at advertisements on the side of bins, they aren't looking at billboards, they aren't looking at posters on a hotel, they're looking at the phones (safety wise it's a nightmare because nobody is looking where they're going) either scrolling down some form of news feed, double tapping on something they like, sharing something they like with their friends or taking a selfie. You have to be where peoples eyeballs are. Let me give you an example, the fastest growing demographic on Instagram 3 years ago was 40 - 60 year olds with the highest increase in selfies going to 43.3 year old women (that's the only data I can be bothered to find at this time from a source I trust) and that is only going to have risen since then if you're thinking logically about it. People in the age range are generally going to be decision makers in a household (also more than fair to assume they have a family), now you tell me why you wouldn't want to give yourself every opportunity to reach that persons eyeballs and let them know you exist?
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Post by Pies on Jun 26, 2017 6:04:06 GMT
Social media will always only be relevant to those who use social media....if you don't have a twitter or Facebook account, no matter how much advertising they do, you'll never see it. So, it's not relevant to that person.
Some people are likely to find out about Panthers from newspaper adverts but if you don't buy a newspaper, you'll never see it. Advertisement is always subjective to the outlet you view and whether that product appeals to you.
Of course, social media is on the growth but like adverts on TV, how many of us actually pay attention to them? I know a lot got lost on me because to be quite frank, I'm not interested in them and there's a stuaration in them.
However, you look at Panthers - arguably the worst social media presence in the terms of UK hockey. Yet they consistently get the biggest crowds. Sheffield would kill for the crowds we get on a Wednesday against the caps in December rather than using IS where their gates will be smaller. The Steelers arguably have a top social media presence but that hasn't helped that side of things for them, which arguably, should be their biggest money spinner in attendances.
To be honest, I'm in the camp of if there's nothing to tell us, then don't post pointless drivel when it comes to Panthers. I really don't care if GM had a tuna salad for his lunch or not.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 8:26:35 GMT
The one and only reason Panthers get good crowds is they play in a city centre arena. Put them in a arena outside the city and with their useless social media coverage they would be getting 3000 a game
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 10:20:31 GMT
Social media will always only be relevant to those who use social media....if you don't have a twitter or Facebook account, no matter how much advertising they do, you'll never see it. So, it's not relevant to that person. More people use social media than not, it's oblivious to the world we live in to not have a strong online presence. Which is why you target specific people such as people who follow sports groups in Nottingham, or people who have ever tweeted about sports within a 10 mile radius of Nottingham (break it down from there into age ranges and gender etc. so you can tailor the ad to speak to the audience), that way you're only reaching out to people who it potentially appeals to. There's no point preaching to the unconverted, that's why targeted advertising is such a blessing - you can reach out to those only who it will potentially appeal to. This is why you have to be creative and bring value to (either through being informative or entertaining) the customer (fan), it's about getting peoples attention and if you put out poor content then yes people will bypass posts without a second thought - which is why you have to put in the time and effort to put out quality content that makes people care. Whilst the Steelers are active on social media what they put out there (just had a quick look) isn't overly great. They re-tweet A LOT of stuff (some is relevant and good but much isn't relevant such as re-tweeting the link put out by the NHL account that Patrick Kane & Jonathan Toews announce the Blackhawks draft pick - people aren't going to the Sheffield Steelers Twitter feed for NHL news like we're not going to ours to know some no name boxer won or lost a fight), fan engagement is OK not great (kids in the teams gear is always a winner so they get a thumbs up on that front). They also ran a poll the other day that got under 2,000 responses which tells me that their content doesn't really speak to their nigh on 30,000 followers (granted not all 30,000 are Steelers fans but I'd wager more are than not) and that they aren't showing up in nearly as many feeds as they should be as what they have put out in the past hasn't been engaging enough (using Twitter as an example if people aren't replying, re-tweeting or liking posts you put out the algorithm the platform works on will show less and less of your content as the platform is only interested in showing you things you care bout so you continue to use it). They could also probably do without Simms shilling his 'Evening with at MK' on the official amount aswell even if he is sharing MK's post and not one of his own (understand why but it's not a great look). Long story short they're active yes, but they could do much much better. I know it was an extreme example but that kind of content is pointless yes, which is why they need to put in time and effort to create content that matters so they don't end up doing something like that. You may not care right now but it's up to them to change that and they could do just that if they put the work in.
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Post by nytram89 on Jun 26, 2017 15:39:26 GMT
TICK TOCK! Cant believe another day has gone by without even a whisper of a signing. The most thats come out of twitter is a very poor stuttery video of farmers goal to motivate us. How about a monday morning signing or two would motivate me a hell of a lot more. As they put it 49 days to go. Need to get a shift on me thinks to make this deadline. 🙈🙈🙈😒 im pretty sure the last interview corey did he said he had plenty of offers on the table. Surely someone must have got back to him by now. That was nearly 3 weeks ago haha.
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Post by PantherB on Jun 26, 2017 16:46:57 GMT
im pretty sure the last interview corey did he said he had plenty of offers on the table. Surely someone must have got back to him by now. That was nearly 3 weeks ago haha. That's the thing with sport though, just because offers are on the table it doesn't mean we'll be signing any of them. The pound is weak, good players entering Free Agency will be holding out for any offers from higher leagues, weigh up their options. I kind of want to see another article on what's happening, progress etc.. but they all seem to be the same and regurgitated. Surely though, there has to be some kind of news before the end of the week. Whether it's an actual signing or a case of waiting for paperwork to come through before the announcement. I know other clubs are in worse positions than we are but with our earlier start date, it's pushing a bit now with 7 more imports to come. Giants have 4 imports signed Clan have 2 imports signed Cardiff have 7 imports signed Blaze have 8 imports signed Stars have 7 imports signed Caps have 3 imports signed Flyers have 2 imports signed Flames have 8 imports signed Storm have 7 imports signed Lightening have 8 imports signed Steelers have 12 imports signed Panthers have 8 imports signed So technically, Cardiff are also in a bit of a risky boat.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jun 26, 2017 16:48:24 GMT
No one here applying for the CHL ambassador role then?
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Post by PantherB on Jun 26, 2017 19:43:12 GMT
Steve King, one of the Devils owners commented after their signing of Paris that they probably won't be announcing any new signings for a couple weeks plus, they want to check the Free Agency out come July 1st so will fill any gaps left by players who don't re-sign, with players during that period.
I'd assume it's more than likely we'll be doing the same in some aspect.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 26, 2017 20:04:02 GMT
This is the eihl not the ahl where they already have full rosters are are merely tweaking them! Clubs in this league have no players unless they want to start the season ridiculously short need to get their fingers out, I've pretty much written off the league campaign already, I can see Panthers already off the pace in September!
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Post by PantherB on Jun 26, 2017 20:52:09 GMT
This is the eihl not the ahl where they already have full rosters are are merely tweaking them! Clubs in this league have no players unless they want to start the season ridiculously short need to get their fingers out, I've pretty much written off the league campaign already, I can see Panthers already off the pace in September! If we all think like that then why not give Steelers the title now? Seeing as they're the only team in the league remotely close to completing their roster. I haven't seen a single Devils fan complaining or panicking about signings, yet they've signed less than we have. Devils started their pre-season early last season too, yet they signed 7 imports after June (Kearney being 1, but in February.) and if I remember correctly, they were only missing Bordeleau (Signed August 24th) for a couple weeks.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 26, 2017 20:58:36 GMT
Steve King, one of the Devils owners commented after their signing of Paris that they probably won't be announcing any new signings for a couple weeks plus, they want to check the Free Agency out come July 1st so will fill any gaps left by players who don't re-sign, with players during that period. I'd assume it's more than likely we'll be doing the same in some aspect. Did Steve King state that his entire roster would be in Britain for early August?
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Post by PantherB on Jun 26, 2017 21:05:39 GMT
Steve King, one of the Devils owners commented after their signing of Paris that they probably won't be announcing any new signings for a couple weeks plus, they want to check the Free Agency out come July 1st so will fill any gaps left by players who don't re-sign, with players during that period. I'd assume it's more than likely we'll be doing the same in some aspect. Did Steve King state that his entire roster would be in Britain for early August? I have no idea if I'm honest but with the way Devils are run, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the aim.
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Post by Rob Scott on Jun 26, 2017 21:09:53 GMT
Did Steve King state that his entire roster would be in Britain for early August? I have no idea if I'm honest but with the way Devils are run, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the aim. I'd be surprised if he publicly stated a definite date that his entire roster would be in the country....
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Post by iginla on Jun 26, 2017 21:12:12 GMT
And if Kelman and King are to be believed from earlier......Every single one of last years Devils had indicated they wanted to return. (Obviously not David Brine though,cos he was crap)
That's a rather more comfortable safety net than Panthers have got if things get a bit tight on the signing front in two or three weeks time.
Who would we turn to....Schultz,Lawrence ?
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Post by PantherB on Jun 26, 2017 21:21:20 GMT
I have no idea if I'm honest but with the way Devils are run, I'd be surprised if that wasn't the aim. I'd be surprised if he publicly stated a definite date that his entire roster would be in the country.... Maybe not but I'd be shocked if they're happy to have players arrive during or after the CHL.
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Post by PantherB on Jun 26, 2017 21:27:23 GMT
And if Kelman and King are to be believed from earlier......Every single one of last years Devils had indicated they wanted to return. (Obviously not David Brine though,cos he was crap) That's a rather more comfortable safety net than Panthers have got if things get a bit tight on the signing front in two or three weeks time. Who would we turn to....Schultz,Lawrence ? I think the Hothams are 50/50, they will likely retire unless Cardiff offer them a good deal. Culigan has retired of course whilst couple others contemplating retirement also. They've yet to sign their u23's too so plenty of work left for Cardiff. Schultz has retired, now 'Assistant Superintendent' at Deepdale Golf Course in New York. Last I saw from Lawrence was that he was at the Guinness factory
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Post by iginla on Jun 26, 2017 21:27:25 GMT
If i recall correctly from the Q+A session,Mr Black said...."no player will be signed next season by Panthers,unless he guarantees to be here for the 7th August".
We shall see !
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