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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 10, 2017 15:03:12 GMT
Ah so it is just the bench size not the roster size, I don't see a problem here. I doubt this is what upset Mr Simms.
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Post by fishman on Apr 10, 2017 16:41:07 GMT
Simmsey should be happy with U23 Brits for next season as they've got a jump on this season Elite league teams with the fact they already have 2 in place!!!!
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Post by ruffin on Apr 10, 2017 16:42:00 GMT
Simmsy isn't happy because Sheffield council are closing the arena as it is making a loss. I believe the Steelers have been informed and given notice of this. Sheffield will be playing out of ice Sheffield for the future. Heard it here first folks.
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Post by PantherG on Apr 10, 2017 16:52:12 GMT
Simmsy isn't happy because Sheffield council are closing the arena as it is making a loss. I believe the Steelers have been informed and given notice of this. Sheffield will be playing out of ice Sheffield for the future. Heard it here first folks. My friend asked Tony Smith about this after the fan forum as he was at the back with Kelman, he said that was not true at all, I was there and heard it.
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Post by ruffin on Apr 10, 2017 16:54:55 GMT
Simmsy isn't happy because Sheffield council are closing the arena as it is making a loss. I believe the Steelers have been informed and given notice of this. Sheffield will be playing out of ice Sheffield for the future. Heard it here first folks. My friend asked Tony Smith about this after the fan forum as he was at the back with Kelman, he said that was not true at all, I was there and heard it. But remember, Tony Smith is a business man and he already has an unhappy fan base. Tony Smith has also promised a lot of other things which haven't come to light. So it probably is true and he is keeping it under wraps.
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Post by ruffin on Apr 10, 2017 17:00:31 GMT
My friend asked Tony Smith about this after the fan forum as he was at the back with Kelman, he said that was not true at all, I was there and heard it. But remember, Tony Smith is a business man and he already has an unhappy fan base. Tony Smith has also promised a lot of other things which haven't come to light. So it probably is true and he is keeping it under wraps. A quick google of the matter digs up lots of public information with regards to this. Sources away from ice hockey and far more reliable than a washed up fibbing rouge.
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Post by pantherlee on Apr 10, 2017 17:09:41 GMT
Can't see it to be honest at least for this season. The arena has events booked all year and Steelers season tickets are on sale so i doubt that would be the case if they knew they were losing the arena
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Post by ruffin on Apr 10, 2017 17:23:25 GMT
Can't see it to be honest at least for this season. The arena has events booked all year and Steelers season tickets are on sale so i doubt that would be the case if they knew they were losing the arena Your second point is absolutely correct. However It will take 3 years to close the facility properly.
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Post by doug on Apr 10, 2017 17:27:04 GMT
Simmsy isn't happy because Sheffield council are closing the arena as it is making a loss. I believe the Steelers have been informed and given notice of this. Sheffield will be playing out of ice Sheffield for the future. Heard it here first folks. No we didn't! This was on Steeltalk weeks ago.
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Post by ruffin on Apr 10, 2017 17:36:48 GMT
Simmsy isn't happy because Sheffield council are closing the arena as it is making a loss. I believe the Steelers have been informed and given notice of this. Sheffield will be playing out of ice Sheffield for the future. Heard it here first folks. No we didn't! This was on Steeltalk weeks ago. so if you're running a business and it suffers the same fate the steelers have, you wouldn't keep it under wraps until it's fully released into the public domain? Smith is cashing in while he can. I doubt he will make a decent profit out of ice Sheffield.
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Post by PantherB on Apr 10, 2017 18:05:45 GMT
No we didn't! This was on Steeltalk weeks ago. so if you're running a business and it suffers the same fate the steelers have, you wouldn't keep it under wraps until it's fully released into the public domain? Smith is cashing in while he can. I doubt he will make a decent profit out of ice Sheffield. He'd be lucky to even make a small loss, never mind profit. Steelers are doomed if they play out of IS. It'll hamper Sheffield's very good junior system too.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Apr 10, 2017 19:42:07 GMT
From what I saw on social media several weeks ago was that the trust were looking to find buyers for both Sheffield arena and Ice Sheffield. Figures of £15m for the arena, and £5m for I/S have also been mentioned. If I remember correctly, they were looking for a sale to be within 3years. If so, if would maybe explain some of the strange decisions coming out of Sheffield in recent months, and their push for extra income.
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 10, 2017 21:04:45 GMT
Hey surely the steelers owner can afford 15 mil?
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Post by doug on Apr 11, 2017 10:04:37 GMT
No we didn't! This was on Steeltalk weeks ago. so if you're running a business and it suffers the same fate the steelers have, you wouldn't keep it under wraps until it's fully released into the public domain? Smith is cashing in while he can. I doubt he will make a decent profit out of ice Sheffield. I'm not disputing what you say, just that it was all over Steeltalk a few weeks ago so is not news. If this happens (closure) Steelers will not exist in their present form. Ice Sheffield is not a full time option for an EIHL team. It could happen as Sheffield Council have a long history of incompetence and SIV are little better. Look at Don Valley stadium for example, oh, wait a minute, you can't, it's gone! It was reputed to have cost the taxpayers £42 million to build the arena in the late eighties which was probably grossly overpriced. The interest is possibly still being paid I think but, if it closed, it wouldn't surprise me. Incidentally, I really don't think Tony Smith has the kind of money needed to buy it unless he can do some sort of sliding payment deal, which actually could work in his favour if spread over a long period.
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Post by GuinnessMan on Apr 11, 2017 10:11:37 GMT
so if you're running a business and it suffers the same fate the steelers have, you wouldn't keep it under wraps until it's fully released into the public domain? Smith is cashing in while he can. I doubt he will make a decent profit out of ice Sheffield. I'm not disputing what you say, just that it was all over Steeltalk a few weeks ago so is not news. If this happens (closure) Steelers will not exist in their present form. Ice Sheffield is not a full time option for an EIHL team. It could happen as Sheffield Council have a long history of incompetence and SIV are little better. Look at Don Valley stadium for example, oh, wait a minute, you can't, it's gone! It was reputed to have cost the taxpayers £42 million to build the arena in the late eighties which was probably grossly overpriced. The interest is possibly still being paid I think but, if it closed, it wouldn't surprise me. Incidentally, I really don't think Tony Smith has the kind of money needed to buy it unless he can do some sort of sliding payment deal, which actually could work in his favour if spread over a long period. There is also the potential issue of the longevity / replacement / on-going maintenance of the ice pad I believe. Being a business man, I'd guess TS has some Crisis/Disaster plan to call on should the worst happen - details of which could be anything really.
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on Apr 11, 2017 10:24:40 GMT
I'm not disputing what you say, just that it was all over Steeltalk a few weeks ago so is not news. If this happens (closure) Steelers will not exist in their present form. Ice Sheffield is not a full time option for an EIHL team. It could happen as Sheffield Council have a long history of incompetence and SIV are little better. Look at Don Valley stadium for example, oh, wait a minute, you can't, it's gone! It was reputed to have cost the taxpayers £42 million to build the arena in the late eighties which was probably grossly overpriced. The interest is possibly still being paid I think but, if it closed, it wouldn't surprise me. Incidentally, I really don't think Tony Smith has the kind of money needed to buy it unless he can do some sort of sliding payment deal, which actually could work in his favour if spread over a long period. There is also the potential issue of the longevity / replacement / on-going maintenance of the ice pad I believe. Being a business man, I'd guess TS has some Crisis/Disaster plan to call on should the worst happen - details of which could be anything really. Given the new Cardiff rink cost £16m there would be no reason for Smith to buy the Sheffield rink. If he had £15m available to spend he would be better off finding someone to go in on a JV and build something from scratch. Obviously this is all highly unlikely anyway
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Apr 11, 2017 11:32:41 GMT
There is also the potential issue of the longevity / replacement / on-going maintenance of the ice pad I believe. Being a business man, I'd guess TS has some Crisis/Disaster plan to call on should the worst happen - details of which could be anything really. Given the new Cardiff rink cost £16m there would be no reason for Smith to buy the Sheffield rink. If he had £15m available to spend he would be better off finding someone to go in on a JV and build something from scratch. Obviously this is all highly unlikely anyway Bare in mind that 16m didn't cover the land which in any half decent location will cost a pretty penny.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 11, 2017 11:34:32 GMT
I think the problem is that the Sheffield Arena is pretty near 100% supported by Sheffield council and with it being public money and needing a lot of money spent on the structure over the next few years they really don't have a choice and that's why the plan is to build a new smaller arena in a more central location. Sheffield find themselves having to compete with Leeds all of a sudden. Sheffield council must be already making huge cut backs and the Sheffield Arena is pretty much a white elephant now business wise.
I think it will be a league problem just as much as it's a Sheffield problem as without support from the arena teams the EIHL will become the EPL very quickly.
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 11, 2017 12:40:48 GMT
If Sheffield lose the arena I would expect that would put some pressure on the enetertainment complex next to it as well. I hope their council make a decent fight to keep it open.
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Post by doug on Apr 11, 2017 14:20:41 GMT
They don't seem able or willing to put up any kind of fight. They demolished the Don Valley stadium, and re-opened a derelict little running track, basically for Jessica Ennis to train. On the stadium site they built a pitch for the Eagles rugby team, a school, a college and an indoor arena for the Sharks basketball team. Google Don Valley and look at it on BBC news. I'm not sure what has actually been built but it is appallingly poor management. On another note, how many of you have been to Cardiff and what was your verdict? I was told that their new arena was extremely poor quality and shouldn't have cost a deal to build.
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Post by fishman on Apr 11, 2017 14:38:10 GMT
They could build a new arena in the car park and then demolish the old arena, lottery fund the way to go.
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Post by panthersdave on Apr 11, 2017 15:02:20 GMT
They don't seem able or willing to put up any kind of fight. They demolished the Don Valley stadium, and re-opened a derelict little running track, basically for Jessica Ennis to train. On the stadium site they built a pitch for the Eagles rugby team, a school, a college and an indoor arena for the Sharks basketball team. Google Don Valley and look at it on BBC news. I'm not sure what has actually been built but it is appallingly poor management. On another note, how many of you have been to Cardiff and what was your verdict? I was told that their new arena was extremely poor quality and shouldn't have cost a deal to build. I have been to Cardiff and don't have an issue with the way it's built, very smart and modern in fact and has a 2nd ice pad. All I would say is that it lacks a bit of atmosphere and character, much like our place. I suppose that's just the curse of a modern arena.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 11, 2017 16:44:46 GMT
They don't seem able or willing to put up any kind of fight. They demolished the Don Valley stadium, and re-opened a derelict little running track, basically for Jessica Ennis to train. On the stadium site they built a pitch for the Eagles rugby team, a school, a college and an indoor arena for the Sharks basketball team. Google Don Valley and look at it on BBC news. I'm not sure what has actually been built but it is appallingly poor management. On another note, how many of you have been to Cardiff and what was your verdict? I was told that their new arena was extremely poor quality and shouldn't have cost a deal to build. The Cardiff Arena is very modern but already the Devils are selling out every game there so it could have been bigger ideally. The thing with Cardiff is that it's a dedicated ice arena with two pads and I can't see too many other places being built like that anywhere else anytime soon. Most places would have to be multi use with the addition of an ice pad if it's of any decent capacity but then with size comes huge running costs in these days of austerity and the majority of acts needing smaller city centre venues. Anyone building anything bigger for the sole purpose of an EIHL home base would be clinically insane as it would just be a massive money pit from day one.
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Post by Mozzy on Apr 11, 2017 17:08:14 GMT
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Post by Mozzy on Apr 11, 2017 17:14:11 GMT
But remember, Tony Smith is a business man and he already has an unhappy fan base. Tony Smith has also promised a lot of other things which haven't come to light. So it probably is true and he is keeping it under wraps. A quick google of the matter digs up lots of public information with regards to this. Sources away from ice hockey and far more reliable than a washed up fibbing rouge. A washed up fibbing rouge?? I guess you don't have Tony Smith on your Christmas card list then.....
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