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Post by PantherB on Feb 23, 2017 23:34:24 GMT
Regardless of what this news is, the manne in which David Simms is allowed to used his social media is a total farce. Things like this totally undemine the legitimacy of any organisation - and not just sports. The whole reason for holding board meetings and bringing people together is to allow decisions to be made by majority and to allow all voices to be equally heard in the security of a confidential environment. Simms totall undermines that with what he did on twitter. It doesn't really matter whether this news turns out to be serious or not, the fact he prevents the EIHL from bringing it to market without him getting people to pre-empt it is a disgrace. In my job, if I offered my opinion on stuff so publicly before the company had release its own information I would be sacked. I appreciate the nature of sport having fans makes it slightly different, but the manner in which he operates shows a total lack of respect for the other members of the board. If that is the way he operates, I wouldn't go near the estate agency he works for with a barge pole. If the league wants to build any form of professional credibility and increase activity from sponsors etc then he needs to be clamped down on. I completely agree, but this is the same league where Kelman (or, at best, an employee of his) is tweeting from the official Devils account to announce a DOPS suspension, and get plenty of digs in at the decision, before an official announcement has been made by DOPS. Given the influence Kelman seems to have on the EIHL, they can hardly complain about Simms being unprofessional can they? In fact, I think what Kelman did was far worse, for loads of reasons, not least that it was sent from the official club account. Kelman is joint shareholder with Smith for the company that owns the league. The league needs tighter Social Media regulations for League Officials.
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2017 9:54:27 GMT
Should know before the end of the night hopefully. The League's Press Release is having a final look over by Board Members before it is published. It's taking some time to look over it and correct the spelling etc. Think Simmsey must have written it ! ๐
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Post by GuinnessMan on Feb 24, 2017 10:50:25 GMT
Speculation on twitter ... Here's the 'big' news:
-Max roster size of 19 - import level drops by 1
No idea where that originates from.
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Post by Rob Scott on Feb 24, 2017 11:11:05 GMT
Speculation on twitter ... Here's the 'big' news: -Max roster size of 19 - import level drops by 1 No idea where that originates from. Would that be the end of 4 lines in the EIHL then?
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Post by PantherB on Feb 24, 2017 11:29:22 GMT
Speculation on twitter ... Here's the 'big' news: -Max roster size of 19 - import level drops by 1 No idea where that originates from. 'CapsBanterArmy' tweeted that, difficult to say whether it has any substance. Banter account, but the guy knows club officials. It's a stupid decision if it's true. The NHL strictly controls Roster Sizes and they must have 18 skaters, 2 goalies for 20 players with space for 3 Healthy Scratches.. If we're going beyond that down to a total of 19 altogether then it's ridiculous. Reduce import numbers by all means but why remove the whole roster size? 1 import being dropped means 1 extra space for a Brit, if this suggestion is true won't that simply prevent teams from playing that additional Brit?
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Post by wgray on Feb 24, 2017 11:40:09 GMT
If this is true then it's ridiculous, it's a step backwards
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 24, 2017 13:23:45 GMT
Massive step backwards if true, no one is going to take a punt with a youngster if you are limited to 19 players.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 24, 2017 13:41:50 GMT
Surely Not. Purposefully go 1 less than allowing 4 line hockey. Designed to stop big teams dominating?! Can't see it but this is the EIHL. Does Roster mean squad or match night?
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Post by Ghost on Feb 24, 2017 14:05:07 GMT
Surely Not. Purposefully go 1 less than allowing 4 line hockey. Designed to stop big teams dominating?! Can't see it but this is the EIHL. Does Roster mean squad or match night? It would just mean the big clubs would have the same budget to spend on less players so in theory each player would be of a higher standard so I don't see how it levels things out anyway!
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 24, 2017 14:35:22 GMT
Surely Not. Purposefully go 1 less than allowing 4 line hockey. Designed to stop big teams dominating?! Can't see it but this is the EIHL. Does Roster mean squad or match night? It would just mean the big clubs would have the same budget to spend on less players so in theory each player would be of a higher standard so I don't see how it levels things out anyway! Good point. In which case it makes even less sense. If it does end up being this(with Simms comments in mind, implying the bigger clubs are unhappy maybe) I could quite easily see the bigger clubs spending signifcantly more just to stick 2 fingers up at the rest. I have no problem with some sort of quota for Brits to protect GB. But let's hope they havn't had to do something because the smaller teams want it. This is the danger of the league expansion. Maybe not 100% a postive as first thought. There are now more of them to group together and get their own way. On the Brit/Import front I believe the cream of the British crop with benefit & improve the most by playing with as good a players possible. Don't need an import limit per say. More a Brit quota. Only needs to be 3 or 4 per team. That way you guarentee 36/48 Brits playing top level aswell as some chosing to play at other levels. In a minority sport like this I feel that is the best approach. Team GB always have a smallish pool to go from of real quality. This allows that pool to play at a decent standard. Whilst I know it's not where we are at, I've always thought having 10 Brits playing with 5 or 6 imports is not going to help anybody improve. Let's wait and see. Hope it's just the chap on a wind up.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 14:43:41 GMT
IF this is true, surely this will hinder any teams in CC or CHL European competitions. I believe they can roster 24 players, meaning the clubs can bring in 5 players that will have no experience playing with the EIHL team.
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2017 16:09:17 GMT
If this is true then it's ridiculous, it's a step backwards It wouldn't make any difference to Panthers. Cos we never seem to ice more than 19 players anyway ! ๐
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Post by dill1015 on Feb 24, 2017 16:24:06 GMT
If this is true then it's ridiculous, it's a step backwards It wouldn't make any difference to Panthers. Cos we never seem to ice more than 19 players anyway ! ๐ Its been corey's secrect stratergy all along. Get us used to playing with so few players. ๐
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Post by Yotes on Feb 24, 2017 17:07:59 GMT
IF this is true, surely this will hinder any teams in CC or CHL European competitions. I believe they can roster 24 players, meaning the clubs can bring in 5 players that will have no experience playing with the EIHL team. 22 is the max match night roster size for an IIHF competition. Worth noting too that in our entire run in the CC, we never had a match night roster with more than 19 players (in the final round all 3 games were with 18 players). So for the CC at least, it shouldn't make a huge difference. We'd get nowhere near the CHL even if we sent out 22. I'll wait and see what this actually is before getting too bothered by it, if it is a 19 man match night roster that would seem a very strange number to come up with though, 20 (2+6+12) would make sense.
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Post by PantherG on Feb 24, 2017 18:21:57 GMT
Reading a lot of activity on Twitter saying that Steelers and Giants are moving to the Gardiner Conference and Storm moving to the Erdhart conference. People are saying that Dave Simms is really upset at this, I am guessing they would be concerned about impact on attendances, replacing 2 Panthers league fixtures with extra Dundee and Edinburgh.
But thinking about it, it does make sense, gives two balances conferences. The press guy is trying to say that the DS tweet was in relation to the Flames joining the league, I am not buying that for one second....
The bottom line is the EIHL need to find a way to gag Dave Simms, he shouldn't be ranting on Twitter and causing so much speculation.
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2017 19:01:54 GMT
Reading a lot of activity on Twitter saying that Steelers and Giants are moving to the Gardiner Conference and Storm moving to the Erdhart conference. People are saying that Dave Simms is really upset at this, I am guessing they would be concerned about impact on attendances, replacing 2 Panthers league fixtures with extra Dundee and Edinburgh. But thinking about it, it does make sense, gives two balances conferences. The press guy is trying to say that the DS tweet was in relation to the Flames joining the league, I am not buying that for one second.... The bottom line is the EIHL need to find a way to gag Dave Simms, he shouldn't be ranting on Twitter and causing so much speculation. Ooooh I really really hope.....This is true ! ๐ If they are going 2 conferences of 6 they would only lose one Panthers/Steelers home game each than if they were in the same conference if the plan is 3 home/away own conference and 2 home away cross conference. And there is still a different opponent to fill the missing game,it's not as if they would lose a whole game attendance. It makes absolutely perfect sense and creates two nicely balanced conferences. Bet Finnerty wouldn't be happy with it though. He would have absolutely no chance of winning anything ! ๐
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 19:14:24 GMT
Reading a lot of activity on Twitter saying that Steelers and Giants are moving to the Gardiner Conference and Storm moving to the Erdhart conference. People are saying that Dave Simms is really upset at this, I am guessing they would be concerned about impact on attendances, replacing 2 Panthers league fixtures with extra Dundee and Edinburgh. But thinking about it, it does make sense, gives two balances conferences. The press guy is trying to say that the DS tweet was in relation to the Flames joining the league, I am not buying that for one second.... The bottom line is the EIHL need to find a way to gag Dave Simms, he shouldn't be ranting on Twitter and causing so much speculation. Ooooh I really really hope.....This is true ! ๐ If they are going 2 conferences of 6 they would only lose one Panthers/Steelers home game each than if they were in the same conference if the plan is 3 home/away own conference and 2 home away cross conference. And there is still a different opponent to fill the missing game,it's not as if they would lose a whole game attendance. It makes absolutely perfect sense and creates two nicely balanced conferences. Bet Finnerty wouldn't be happy with it though. He would have absolutely no chance of winning anything ! ๐ Me too I think this will work too. You can't have Belfast romping to the title every year like they would without decent competition . The steelers would provide that . The panthers and Steelers games then would provide a spark with not playing each other every week ! I hope this becomes true
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Post by wgray on Feb 24, 2017 19:16:10 GMT
Reading a lot of activity on Twitter saying that Steelers and Giants are moving to the Gardiner Conference and Storm moving to the Erdhart conference. People are saying that Dave Simms is really upset at this, I am guessing they would be concerned about impact on attendances, replacing 2 Panthers league fixtures with extra Dundee and Edinburgh. But thinking about it, it does make sense, gives two balances conferences. The press guy is trying to say that the DS tweet was in relation to the Flames joining the league, I am not buying that for one second.... The bottom line is the EIHL need to find a way to gag Dave Simms, he shouldn't be ranting on Twitter and causing so much speculation. I agree, In terms of balancing out the league then Sheffield and Belfast moving to Gardiner is a good idea, Belfast are always going to have far to travel but it is understandable, in Sheffield's case, them being upset as I'm sure ourselves and Cardiff would be. I hope this rumour is true for the fact that it would be fairer, we wouldn't play Sheffield as much and it would really upset Sheffield
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Post by fishman on Feb 24, 2017 19:32:38 GMT
Reading a lot of activity on Twitter saying that Steelers and Giants are moving to the Gardiner Conference and Storm moving to the Erdhart conference. People are saying that Dave Simms is really upset at this, I am guessing they would be concerned about impact on attendances, replacing 2 Panthers league fixtures with extra Dundee and Edinburgh. But thinking about it, it does make sense, gives two balances conferences. The press guy is trying to say that the DS tweet was in relation to the Flames joining the league, I am not buying that for one second.... The bottom line is the EIHL need to find a way to gag Dave Simms, he shouldn't be ranting on Twitter and causing so much speculation. I agree, In terms of balancing out the league then Sheffield and Belfast moving to Gardiner is a good idea, Belfast are always going to have far to travel but it is understandable, in Sheffield's case, them being upset as I'm sure ourselves and Cardiff would be. I hope this rumour is true for the fact that it would be fairer, we wouldn't play Sheffield as much and it would really upset Sheffield Playing conference teams far to many times, by the end of regular season Panthers/Steelers will have played 12 matches + potentially 1 or 2 more game, and it will stop Simmsey going on about Clan having an advantage by playing in a weaker conference
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 24, 2017 19:33:30 GMT
Reading a lot of activity on Twitter saying that Steelers and Giants are moving to the Gardiner Conference and Storm moving to the Erdhart conference. People are saying that Dave Simms is really upset at this, I am guessing they would be concerned about impact on attendances, replacing 2 Panthers league fixtures with extra Dundee and Edinburgh. But thinking about it, it does make sense, gives two balances conferences. The press guy is trying to say that the DS tweet was in relation to the Flames joining the league, I am not buying that for one second.... The bottom line is the EIHL need to find a way to gag Dave Simms, he shouldn't be ranting on Twitter and causing so much speculation. Ooooh I really really hope.....This is true ! ๐ If they are going 2 conferences of 6 they would only lose one Panthers/Steelers home game each than if they were in the same conference if the plan is 3 home/away own conference and 2 home away cross conference. And there is still a different opponent to fill the missing game,it's not as if they would lose a whole game attendance. It makes absolutely perfect sense and creates two nicely balanced conferences. Bet Finnerty wouldn't be happy with it though. He would have absolutely no chance of winning anything ! ๐ Right set up for me too. Basically what I said a few months back ๐, only I suggested Cardiff instead of Sheffield. That was purely because I thought there would be no way they would split us up. Can't wait to see Simms full meltdown if true.
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Post by iginla on Feb 24, 2017 20:29:13 GMT
Ooooh I really really hope.....This is true ! ๐ If they are going 2 conferences of 6 they would only lose one Panthers/Steelers home game each than if they were in the same conference if the plan is 3 home/away own conference and 2 home away cross conference. And there is still a different opponent to fill the missing game,it's not as if they would lose a whole game attendance. It makes absolutely perfect sense and creates two nicely balanced conferences. Bet Finnerty wouldn't be happy with it though. He would have absolutely no chance of winning anything ! ๐ Right set up for me too. Basically what I said a few months back ๐, only I suggested Cardiff instead of Sheffield. That was purely because I thought there would be no way they would split us up. Can't wait to see Simms full meltdown if true. It's a perfect set up. They can't even moan about lost revenue either,because 2 conferences of 6 gives them an extra home game in a 54 games season. Mind you,in Steelers case,when you only get 1000 at Ice Sheffield that's not so good ! ๐ Lol
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 24, 2017 22:23:04 GMT
Two balanced conferences and less steeler matches! Oh that might even make me excited for the new season, please be true!
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Post by tootootrain on Feb 24, 2017 23:40:59 GMT
Two conferences such as this;
North Steelers Giants Flyers Clan Stars Capitals
South Panthers Devils Blaze Storm Lightning Flames
Makes more sense than any potential set up which would keep Panthers and Steelers together. Would also explain DS the BS and Mark Johnson being annoyed about the same thing.
DS obviously wants to keep Panthers for the only games that they don't have to dish out loads of freebies to try and fill their arena. Mark Johnson probably wanted 3 conferences of 4, with all the arena teams in one, to give his teams more 'easy' games.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2017 23:57:33 GMT
I guess with having the 12 teams now in the league, your limited as to what you can do that's best and fair on every team. I'm sure it's too late now, but why not: Scrap the conferences. Play each team 5 times (5x11=55matches)-Please see details Example for Panthers 2017/2018 season they play: 6 of the opposition 3xhome and 2xaway 5 of the opposition 2xhome and 3xaway=55 matches (28 home)(27 away) 2018/2019 season the exact opposite happens 6 of the opposition 2xhome and 3xaway 5 of the opposition 3xhome and 2xaway=55 matches (27 home)(28 away) Understanding one season you may have an advantage/disadvantage, but the following season would just cancel anything gained/lost. Example for Panthers, we need to go to Sheffield 3 times, during the 2017/2018 season, it could be arranged that we only go to Belfast the twice. I think my maths is correct, but do correct if me not. And also pick the faults in my idea, it is fully open to critic.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Feb 25, 2017 2:23:09 GMT
Three conferences of four. Play own conference 4H4A, all others 2H2A. 56 game regular season.
Fife Braehead Dundee Edinburgh
Nottingham Sheffield Manchester Belfast
Coventry Cardiff MK Guildford
The most rivalries possible with as little travel. The whole point of the conference system.
Problems
Manchester get pounded. Arguably no more than Coventry do now. They'll get far more away fans which will help with income for roster improvements.
Cardiff get an advantage. No more than Braehead do now.
Braehead get bored. Hardly any different to their current setup, just less travel.
With 32 games outside of your conference there's still a lot of hockey against all teams if you hope to win anything.
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