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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 3:49:24 GMT
Three conferences of four. Play own conference 4H4A, all others 2H2A. 56 game regular season. Fife Braehead Dundee Edinburgh Nottingham Sheffield Manchester Belfast Coventry Cardiff MK Guildford The most rivalries possible with as little travel. The whole point of the conference system. Problems Manchester get pounded. Arguably no more than Coventry do now. They'll get far more away fans which will help with income for roster improvements. Cardiff get an advantage. No more than Braehead do now. Braehead get bored. Hardly any different to their current setup, just less travel. With 32 games outside of your conference there's still a lot of hockey against all teams if you hope to win anything. Black already said he thinks 2 x 6 the other night so why still the talk of 3 conferences?
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Feb 25, 2017 4:54:27 GMT
He said that's what he thought, seemed more an assumption. The EIHL press release also stated that there had been no decision.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 25, 2017 6:29:53 GMT
Three conferences of four. Play own conference 4H4A, all others 2H2A. 56 game regular season. Fife Braehead Dundee Edinburgh Nottingham Sheffield Manchester Belfast Coventry Cardiff MK Guildford The most rivalries possible with as little travel. The whole point of the conference system. Problems Manchester get pounded. Arguably no more than Coventry do now. They'll get far more away fans which will help with income for roster improvements. Cardiff get an advantage. No more than Braehead do now. Braehead get bored. Hardly any different to their current setup, just less travel. With 32 games outside of your conference there's still a lot of hockey against all teams if you hope to win anything. Firstly I simply think they will go with the less complex 2 conferences. Secondly the 2 conference system with the split of Belfast/Sheffield Belfast/Cardiff is also actually a balanced & fair system. This also negates any of the problems you discribe.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Feb 25, 2017 6:50:44 GMT
If you put the Scottish teams in with Belfast and Sheffield then you take away the two main reasons for starting the conference format in the first place. Less games against bigger clubs and more against local rivals. Less travel costs.
Hardly solves all the problems.
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Post by Bagheera on Feb 25, 2017 7:06:48 GMT
If you put the Scottish teams in with Belfast and Sheffield then you take away the two main reasons for starting the conference format in the first place. Less games against bigger clubs and more against local rivals. Less travel costs. Hardly solves all the problems. Was reffering to your list of problems. When I looked at them, didn't read the travel bit you listed as a positive sorry. It doesn't really add as much travel as you'd think though looking against the current setup. They have to travel more anyway no matter what due to the new teams. All you are adding to the current system is 1 extra trip to Sheffield & 1 to Belfast. They are replacing the 2 they would drop from Manchester. As said no matter what they'll have to travel the new teams. I can see the positives in your arguement. Just prefer to have the fairest system pissible.
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Feb 25, 2017 7:16:28 GMT
If you put the Scottish teams in with Belfast and Sheffield then you take away the two main reasons for starting the conference format in the first place. Less games against bigger clubs and more against local rivals. Less travel costs. Hardly solves all the problems. Was reffering to your list of problems. When I looked at them, didn't read the travel bit you listed as a positive sorry. It doesn't really add as much travel as you'd think though looking against the current setup. They have to travel more anyway no matter what due to the new teams. All you are adding to the current system is 1 extra trip to Sheffield & 1 to Belfast. They are replacing the 2 they would drop from Manchester. As said no matter what they'll have to travel the new teams. I can see the positives in your arguement. Just prefer to have the fairest system pissible. I couldn't agree more with to be honest Baghera. One point we keep forgetting though is that the conference system priority isn't necessarily fairness but providing the smaller rink clubs with an environment that's as competitive as possible. Whether we like it or not if the league primarily wanted fairness we wouldn't have conferences at all.
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 25, 2017 8:07:57 GMT
There are now 6 rink based teams so you can't have 4 in one conf and 2 in another there has to be some re jiggering go on.
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Post by Shorty on Feb 25, 2017 8:19:52 GMT
The league would never be won by anyone in our group on that system.
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Post by shmyrohdear on Feb 25, 2017 8:56:12 GMT
The league would never be won by anyone in our group on that system. Is that a bad thing? Maybe not having the same teams in the upper half of the league talks is what Scotland needs to grow the fan bases up there and to also make the whole league more competitive. Teams in our group could easily win the league. If they can't win games they don't deserve to win, simple. We've seen that Scotland teams are hot and cold against each other and that wouldn't change here. Coventry aren't a top 4 team anymore, the new boys could see themselves with easier integration if this system gives them a buffer to win more games in their conference. Whilst i agree a 3 conference system isn't the way forward unless we can pile in 5 teams minimum, at which point I'd rather 4 not 3 having 20 teams in the league (way into the future providing the sport grows). I don't think it's a terrible idea either, just too soon to split the system.
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 25, 2017 9:36:47 GMT
surely its simple - there are:-
4 'big boys' Devils, Giants, Panthers, Steelers 2 'inbetweeners' Blaze, Clan 6 'Rink teams' Capitals, Flames, Flyers, Lightening, Stars, Storm
If you balance these out so each conf has 2 bigboys, 1 inbetweener and 3 rink teams you will give everyone a fair chance. And with the rink teams now outnumbering the arena teams there is no need to shield them from the arena teams surely?
*I do know that some teams have larger venues than the Devils, but their recent seasons seem to point to that they are one of the bigboys in the league now
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Post by spik on Feb 25, 2017 9:44:36 GMT
Don't know if it's been mentioned along the way but is there any possibility that a system could be operated with a yearly change of teams. The teams move round in a planned rota so one season you may be in what can be a slightly unfair mix but it would change the next as you move into a lesser 'big boy' league. Thus inter changing opposition year upon year.
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2017 10:08:06 GMT
Three conferences of four. Play own conference 4H4A, all others 2H2A. 56 game regular season. Fife Braehead Dundee Edinburgh Nottingham Sheffield Manchester Belfast Coventry Cardiff MK Guildford The most rivalries possible with as little travel. The whole point of the conference system. Problems Manchester get pounded. Arguably no more than Coventry do now. They'll get far more away fans which will help with income for roster improvements. Cardiff get an advantage. No more than Braehead do now. Braehead get bored. Hardly any different to their current setup, just less travel. With 32 games outside of your conference there's still a lot of hockey against all teams if you hope to win anything. Firstly I simply think they will go with the less complex 2 conferences. Secondly the 2 conference system with the split of Belfast/Sheffield Belfast/Cardiff is also actually a balanced & fair system. This also negates any of the problems you discribe. Mr Black saying most probably 2 confs of 6 would suggest it's already sorted. And also,if they went 3 confs of 4.....how do you then bump teams up in seeding places for play offs ?
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Post by spik on Feb 25, 2017 10:36:25 GMT
I can only guess that seeding places in either would be first, second, third etc using top six teams....ie)first 3 places in a two conference system OR top two in a three conference system. Maybe top eight but fails on the 3x4 leagues as it shows 9 teams.For this one you'd have to have a preliminary one game qualifier between the last two on points gained, even the last two from one league if so be.
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Feb 25, 2017 11:13:16 GMT
devils season tickets went on sale this week and the advert didn't have any increase in games from the year before
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Post by Shorty on Feb 25, 2017 11:17:23 GMT
Selling next years tickets now makes you wonder if they need a cash injection.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 25, 2017 11:32:29 GMT
Selling next years tickets now makes you wonder if they need a cash injection. Supply and demand. They are selling out almost every week now so it makes sense. Just good business.
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Post by EMB on Feb 25, 2017 11:34:30 GMT
Belfast do the same sort of thing, my friends had to pre book there season tickets before the end of last season but they I'd get a discount as an incentive.
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Post by PantherB on Feb 25, 2017 11:37:37 GMT
Kelman runs the league alongside Smith so perhaps he's decided himself there won't be any increase in games.
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Post by spik on Feb 25, 2017 12:12:40 GMT
Bolster the Play offs and you'd have to have a reduction of games in the league programme. So either one is being forgotten (PO) or it's less games in the league programme...
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2017 13:28:35 GMT
devils season tickets went on sale this week and the advert didn't have any increase in games from the year before Saw something about price increases if you sit in the best seats though and plenty of Devils fans wern't happy.
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2017 13:35:11 GMT
I can only guess that seeding places in either would be first, second, third etc using top six teams....ie)first 3 places in a two conference system OR top two in a three conference system. Maybe top eight but fails on the 3x4 leagues as it shows 9 teams.For this one you'd have to have a preliminary one game qualifier between the last two on points gained, even the last two from one league if so be. With 2 confs of 6 it could stay the same as now for seedlings. But if it's 3 confs of 4 and the conf winners got bumped up to no2 and no3 seeds,that would mean 2nd in the league would become no4 seed which is rather unfair in them. Also,how do you determine which conf winner is no2 and no3 ? It's so much simpler with 2 confs of 6.
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Post by cofio on Feb 25, 2017 15:16:42 GMT
Kelman runs the league alongside Smith so perhaps he's decided himself there won't be any increase in games. The tickets say they include 32 games but they list what it covered this year but doesnt state what it covers next year. They have allowed the flexibility so if there are more league games they don't have to include cup /PO quarter finals.
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Post by pingchowchi on Feb 25, 2017 15:18:09 GMT
If the rumours are true I can see the steelers being very angry, they would lose games against teams that they usually play in the arena and gain games against teams that they use ice Sheffield for...
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Post by cofio on Feb 25, 2017 15:21:19 GMT
devils season tickets went on sale this week and the advert didn't have any increase in games from the year before Saw something about price increases if you sit in the best seats though and plenty of Devils fans wern't happy. Some fans are having to pay more and some of these are unhappy and these are being vocal. Other fans will be paying less as some blocks have been changed from silver to bronze at the same time. To be fair to management they said at the start of this season that the block prices were provisional and could be changed at the end of this season.
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Post by iginla on Feb 25, 2017 15:39:36 GMT
Saw something about price increases if you sit in the best seats though and plenty of Devils fans wern't happy. Some fans are having to pay more and some of these are unhappy and these are being vocal. Other fans will be paying less as some blocks have been changed from silver to bronze at the same time. To be fair to management they said at the start of this season that the block prices were provisional and could be changed at the end of this season. Mmmm,so basically they are saying,thank you Devils fans. Now we're selling out almost every game were putting the prices up......Nice ! 😡
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