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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 11:24:36 GMT
Anyone who's getting excited at the prospect of panthers attracting top players due to the CC win and being in the CHL need to calm down and don't get your hopes up. They cost decent money. Something I doubt panthers would offer. The CHL hardly brought in a too class roster last time did it. They were bang average
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 11:32:27 GMT
Anyone who's getting excited at the prospect of panthers attracting top players due to the CC win and being in the CHL need to calm down and don't get your hopes up. They cost decent money. Something I doubt panthers would offer. The CHL hardly brought in a too class roster last time did it. They were bang average This is why the word 'possibly' was used because it's exactly that, a possibility.
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Post by nate24 on Jan 24, 2017 12:25:33 GMT
Possibly is a word used to allow reckless speculation. We need to build within our means. There is no point building a Euro standard club In the EIHL unless the majority of the league follow suit.
Without a strong league we can not build sustainable strength. The league has too many competing interests however and that is hindering growth.
The only way out would be to join an euro league and we definitely haven't got the ability or funds to do that. We have to start working with British Ice Hockey as a whole and though European success is nice it isn't making waves domestically.
Especially when the team comes home and repeatedly embarrasses themselves showing a total lack of effort and passion on home soil.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 24, 2017 12:49:29 GMT
Ha ha! Hey Gary/ Neil. Yeah seasons success because a tournament very few could go to is won. We pay for 60+ games a season and see effort in a dozen maybe, if we are lucky they maybe home games for maximum exposure. Teams and organisation is a joke. One trick pony. Yeah they did well to win the cup but other teams manage multiple successes why on Earth should we be happy with one! If we end up 4th/5th in the league,lose in the Challenge cup semi final and don't make POFW then i certainly wouldn't call it a success. Spot on. Constant mid-table (3rd-5th) league finishes is an absolute sack of crap for a club like ours. Want to build on the Continental Cup Panthers? Put a team together to AT LEAST challenge for the league title for seasons on end! Not be out of the running by January like most other seasons. Maybe even try and win it? Only one league title in the NIC era is an embarrassment!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 13:04:36 GMT
Possibly is a word used to allow reckless speculation. We need to build within our means. There is no point building a Euro standard club In the EIHL unless the majority of the league follow suit. Without a strong league we can not build sustainable strength. The league has too many competing interests however and that is hindering growth. The only way out would be to join an euro league and we definitely haven't got the ability or funds to do that. We have to start working with British Ice Hockey as a whole and though European success is nice it isn't making waves domestically. Especially when the team comes home and repeatedly embarrasses themselves showing a total lack of effort and passion on home soil. Reckless speculation? Really? Repeatedly embarrass themselves is also a major overreaction on your part because it's flagrantly false.
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Post by nate24 on Jan 24, 2017 13:13:59 GMT
Possibly is a word used to allow reckless speculation. We need to build within our means. There is no point building a Euro standard club In the EIHL unless the majority of the league follow suit. Without a strong league we can not build sustainable strength. The league has too many competing interests however and that is hindering growth. The only way out would be to join an euro league and we definitely haven't got the ability or funds to do that. We have to start working with British Ice Hockey as a whole and though European success is nice it isn't making waves domestically. Especially when the team comes home and repeatedly embarrasses themselves showing a total lack of effort and passion on home soil. Reckless speculation? Really? Repeatedly embarrass themselves is also a major overreaction on your part because it's flagrantly false. Really? Because I've often sat the NIC ashamed of the performance in front of me.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 24, 2017 13:14:36 GMT
We won't build on the Continental Cup anymore than the weekend we just had straight after. Anything about 4th in the league is always a success and so long as the happy clappers are kept happy most of the time at home games when it's either a trek out to the NIC or a night in with the telly then it's job done and always will be. Winning has to be in a teams DNA like it is at Sheffield or Belfast. It has to matter that much that you have banners hanging from the roof not hand flowers out at the end of a game. Come August we will sign another load of players well within our means and then CN will be told to show us what he can do with this lot again.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 14:06:20 GMT
We won't build on the Continental Cup anymore than the weekend we just had straight after. Anything about 4th in the league is always a success and so long as the happy clappers are kept happy most of the time at home games when it's either a trek out to the NIC or a night in with the telly then it's job done and always will be. Winning has to be in a teams DNA like it is at Sheffield or Belfast. It has to matter that much that you have banners hanging from the roof not hand flowers out at the end of a game. Come August we will sign another load of players well within our means and then CN will be told to show us what he can do with this lot again. 'Happy clappers' is the worst phrase going when it comes to talking about fanbases. If people are happy, let them be happy don't cast them with a derogatory term. If people enjoy themselves as part of a night out there's nothing wrong with that. I find it hard to agree that we don't have a winning DNA, we do (see the cup competitions we've won in recent history). We just don't have it when it comes to the league, which is more a cultural aspect of the organisation rather than not having 'winning DNA'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 14:09:00 GMT
Reckless speculation? Really? Repeatedly embarrass themselves is also a major overreaction on your part because it's flagrantly false. Really? Because I've often sat the NIC ashamed of the performance in front of me. I've never felt ashamed by any performace personally. Some things have gotten a little embarrassing to watch (3v3 vs Fife being a recent example), but I've never felt ashamed/embarrassed by it. Different strokes for different folks and all that.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 24, 2017 14:31:20 GMT
We won't build on the Continental Cup anymore than the weekend we just had straight after. Anything about 4th in the league is always a success and so long as the happy clappers are kept happy most of the time at home games when it's either a trek out to the NIC or a night in with the telly then it's job done and always will be. Winning has to be in a teams DNA like it is at Sheffield or Belfast. It has to matter that much that you have banners hanging from the roof not hand flowers out at the end of a game. Come August we will sign another load of players well within our means and then CN will be told to show us what he can do with this lot again. 'Happy clappers' is the worst phrase going when it comes to talking about fanbases. Nope. 'True Fan(s)'. 'Real Fan(s)'.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 14:47:24 GMT
'Happy clappers' is the worst phrase going when it comes to talking about fanbases. Nope. 'True Fan(s)'. 'Real Fan(s)'. Good point, well made
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Post by iginla on Jan 24, 2017 19:02:51 GMT
Anyone who's getting excited at the prospect of panthers attracting top players due to the CC win and being in the CHL need to calm down and don't get your hopes up. They cost decent money. Something I doubt panthers would offer. The CHL hardly brought in a too class roster last time did it. They were bang average Too right Pidge. And anybody who thinks a better player comes here just because we are in the CHL lives in La la land. There is only one reason a better player would come here with regards to European competition and that's because we offer a bit more money than usual because we're in Mr Blacks dreamland. If Europe was that attractive to them,that's where they would go and play. Have a look where that "superstar" Nathan Robinson has been since he played for us.....it doesn't make pretty reading !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 20:12:57 GMT
In my opinion we should look at the CC victory with some perspective and common sense. As has been said before the teams taking part were certainly no better than the EIHL teams we play every week. Teams in the higher European leagues don't even bother to compete. It's a nothing tournament. Well done to the Panthers for playing quite well for a change, but this isn't going to change our impact on European hockey. I can't imagine any British team being able to attract players capable of playing against German or Scandinavian teams unless they inject massive amounts of cash into their wage and travel budgets - and then go bankrupt! Who would pay for it? I'm certainly not paying for a season ticket to have it fund totally unrealistic European adventures. In addition, what would be the impact on our domestic game if a couple of teams had superstars and beat everyone else in sight. I can see the poorer clubs collapsing from lack of support. Why can't we be realistic and realise that we watch a minority sport that is never going to have a national, let alone international, impact. Instead of chasing pipe dreams let the club spend its budget entertaining those people who turn up week on week at home, rather than the few who can afford to travel to Europe.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 24, 2017 20:29:32 GMT
Some real po-faced stuff on here lately.
I doubt anyone is thinking we'll be able to sign a team to compete in the CHL, but there's a range of quality in terms of Elite League players, and being in the CHL should surely mean we can attract those at the top end of that range?
Whether we will or not, time will tell, but writing it all off before the current season has even ended is just being miserable for the sake of it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2017 22:18:01 GMT
I don't see this as doom and gloom - just common sense. I'd rather watch a team that concentrates on satisfying those people who watch them week on week. If Panthers can produce a quality product at home AND follow a European campaign, good luck to them. I just don't see that happening at the moment (or, realistically, at anytime in the future)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2017 8:44:58 GMT
Anyone who's getting excited at the prospect of panthers attracting top players due to the CC win and being in the CHL need to calm down and don't get your hopes up. They cost decent money. Something I doubt panthers would offer. The CHL hardly brought in a too class roster last time did it. They were bang average Too right Pidge. And anybody who thinks a better player comes here just because we are in the CHL lives in La la land. There is only one reason a better player would come here with regards to European competition and that's because we offer a bit more money than usual because we're in Mr Blacks dreamland. If Europe was that attractive to them,that's where they would go and play. Have a look where that "superstar" Nathan Robinson has been since he played for us.....it doesn't make pretty reading ! Firstly everybody should go and see La La Land, it's absolutely stunning. One of the best movies I've seen in a long long time. Secondly and back on track, is it unreasonable to think that this victory gives potential players less reason to think this is a 'beer league' and actually increases the perception of the EIHL as a whole (even if it is just a small amount)? Plenty of players who come over here praise the league in terms of increasing quality and whilst word of mouth is the strongest advocate of anything surely this helps those players not connected with anyone who's played over here take notice, even if it's just to take a phone call rather than just dismiss it straight away.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 25, 2017 18:48:15 GMT
Nathan Robinson is a poor example, he's 35 and was never ever looking to 'make it in Europe' as he'd already done that.
He's put up good numbers in leagues arguably better than our own since departing here, which isn't bad for a 35 year old with attitude issues.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 26, 2017 13:48:30 GMT
Nathan Robinson is a poor example, he's 35 and was never ever looking to 'make it in Europe' as he'd already done that. He's put up good numbers in leagues arguably better than our own since departing here, which isn't bad for a 35 year old with attitude issues. Hmm I wouldn't say the Czech 2nd division and Belarus are better than the EIHL. When he left us, he was definitely looking to make it back in Europe too: www.nottinghampost.com/nathan-robinson-make-nottingham-panthers-return/story-25834968-detail/story.html'The fact of the matter is I still have unfinished business in a top league''
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Post by Shorty on Jan 26, 2017 14:20:23 GMT
Belarus is ranked 9th in the world and Czech 6th
I'm sure both would be a good standard.
GB is ranked 24th.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 26, 2017 14:32:49 GMT
Belarus is ranked 9th in the world and Czech 6th I'm sure both would be a good standard. GB is ranked 24th. National teams yes. Not always parallel to the league standard. Alumni of the Czech 2nd division makes good reading in the EPIHL and lower German leagues. The Belarusian league has a few players making a move up to the KHL and Rob Schremp had a game there a few years ago. Tomas Kurka had a decent spell there too. Pliskauskas had a fruitful time there before he moved to Edinburgh.
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Post by calv on Jan 26, 2017 17:43:42 GMT
Yunost Minsk of the Belarussian league beat Vaxjo & Boleslav (Czech) in the CHL this season, and qualified for the first knock out round where they got beaten by Frolunda 7-3 on aggregate, they beat them at home 3-2. There does seem to be quite a disparity from the top to the bottom of the league though, HK Brest sit bottom with 1 regulation win and 3 OT wins from 29 games! Minsk, on the other hand, have lost 3 in regulation and 1 in OT from their 29 games. Robinson played for Soligorsk who are 15 points (5 wins) off the top in joint 3rd.
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