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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 10:24:33 GMT
No matter what happens now this season is a success, anything else is a bonus. Important part of all this is next year and how this achievement is built upon, we cannot let it go to waste.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2017 13:50:40 GMT
No matter what happens now this season is a success, anything else is a bonus. Important part of all this is next year and how this achievement is built upon, we cannot let it go to waste. Like we did in 2014 you mean. This organisation doesn't know how to build on success
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Post by iginla on Jan 17, 2017 13:56:40 GMT
No matter what happens now this season is a success, anything else is a bonus. Important part of all this is next year and how this achievement is built upon, we cannot let it go to waste. Like we did in 2014 you mean. This organisation doesn't know how to build on success Hopefully they've learned a lesson from last time about resting on their laurels But I wouldn't bank on it though ! 🙄 Probably a good few of this team will retire at seasons end too,so we shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 8:48:06 GMT
No matter what happens now this season is a success, anything else is a bonus. Important part of all this is next year and how this achievement is built upon, we cannot let it go to waste. Like we did in 2014 you mean. This organisation doesn't know how to build on success I think hope that lessons will have been learned from last time, especially in regards to CHL entry. They need to (as I believe you've said previously) sign a team with no 'ringers' on part-time deals. If they're going to go out and get a Nathan Robinson type player they need to get him for the season and then get players who can play with said player (so we don't end up in a situation where Robinson was so much better than everyone else he would skate around with the puck because nobody else was moving/getting into the position he wanted them in).
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Post by texpef on Jan 18, 2017 13:26:13 GMT
No matter what happens now this season is a success, anything else is a bonus. Important part of all this is next year and how this achievement is built upon, we cannot let it go to waste. IMHO no it wouldnt be a mitigating success, great that the panthers win the continental cup (two sides to every story its much easier to win now the CHL is around although you beat what is put in front of you), however how many fans actually were there to see it? Couple of hundred in a fanbase of 4000-6000? peanuts. Most fans go to watch games to see the team win day to day games i.e. the league and we pretty much chucked that away in November, this team didnt even make it to the xmas break. The only league win in living memory and it was frittered away as imho it felt like the club thought job done rather than build a legacy that i think alot of fans were hoping for if not expected, i really dont see much difference with this. CN has proved time and time again he can motivate a squad to win cup games and he weaved hhis magic again this time but he has spectacularly failed at what is the big prize in british ice hockey. the league. Whether this is the limited budget not allowing him the sign the calibre of players he wants, whether management do not allow him to replace or substitute injured players effectively (either too late or not at all), or maybe he just isnt up to that job i dont know but as great as this win is it must not be allowed to again paper over massive cracks that are wrong with this club on its day to day activities which i believe the vast majority of the fan base pay to see and which the club spectacularly year on year fail to deliver. Inccidentally its funny how the club can arrange a webcast in another rink and generate enough income to most likely fund the whole exercise yet cannot find the inclination to do it in their own arena..... go figure eh
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 13:52:37 GMT
No matter what happens now this season is a success, anything else is a bonus. Important part of all this is next year and how this achievement is built upon, we cannot let it go to waste. IMHO no it wouldnt be a mitigating success, great that the panthers win the continental cup (two sides to every story its much easier to win now the CHL is around although you beat what is put in front of you), however how many fans actually were there to see it? Couple of hundred in a fanbase of 4000-6000? peanuts. Most fans go to watch games to see the team win day to day games i.e. the league and we pretty much chucked that away in November, this team didnt even make it to the xmas break. The only league win in living memory and it was frittered away as imho it felt like the club thought job done rather than build a legacy that i think alot of fans were hoping for if not expected, i really dont see much difference with this. CN has proved time and time again he can motivate a squad to win cup games and he weaved hhis magic again this time but he has spectacularly failed at what is the big prize in british ice hockey. the league. Whether this is the limited budget not allowing him the sign the calibre of players he wants, whether management do not allow him to replace or substitute injured players effectively (either too late or not at all), or maybe he just isnt up to that job i dont know but as great as this win is it must not be allowed to again paper over massive cracks that are wrong with this club on its day to day activities which i believe the vast majority of the fan base pay to see and which the club spectacularly year on year fail to deliver. Inccidentally its funny how the club can arrange a webcast in another rink and generate enough income to most likely fund the whole exercise yet cannot find the inclination to do it in their own arena..... go figure eh The Continental Cup was outlined as the top priority this season. That has been acheived, so in my eyes that makes it a success. The big prize in British Ice Hockey is very subjective, depends what you put the most value in as a fan. The league may not be top of my priority list, but logically now that we've won a European competiton the way to build on it is to focus in on the one trophy that's avoided us.
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Post by iginla on Jan 18, 2017 13:53:25 GMT
Like we did in 2014 you mean. This organisation doesn't know how to build on success I think hope that lessons will have been learned from last time, especially in regards to CHL entry. They need to (as I believe you've said previously) sign a team with no 'ringers' on part-time deals. If they're going to go out and get a Nathan Robinson type player they need to get him for the season and then get players who can play with said player (so we don't end up in a situation where Robinson was so much better than everyone else he would skate around with the puck because nobody else was moving/getting into the position he wanted them in). Who's this Robinson guy,I must have missed him being so much better than any body else. I remember a little chap who popped up for a bit,waltzed around for a while,had one good game against Hamburg when he was trying to get noticed to get another DEL contract,then got himself chucked out of the game on purpose in Cardiff because he didn't fancy the rough stuff. But other than that.....I'm struggling to remember him ! 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 14:01:22 GMT
I think hope that lessons will have been learned from last time, especially in regards to CHL entry. They need to (as I believe you've said previously) sign a team with no 'ringers' on part-time deals. If they're going to go out and get a Nathan Robinson type player they need to get him for the season and then get players who can play with said player (so we don't end up in a situation where Robinson was so much better than everyone else he would skate around with the puck because nobody else was moving/getting into the position he wanted them in). Who's this Robinson guy,I must have missed him being so much better than any body else. I remember a little chap who popped up for a bit,waltzed around for a while,had one good game against Hamburg when he was trying to get noticed to get another DEL contract,then got himself chucked out of the game on purpose in Cardiff because he didn't fancy the rough stuff. But other than that.....I'm struggling to remember him ! 🤔 Not a fan then? Haha
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 18, 2017 14:02:33 GMT
IMHO no it wouldnt be a mitigating success, great that the panthers win the continental cup (two sides to every story its much easier to win now the CHL is around although you beat what is put in front of you), however how many fans actually were there to see it? Couple of hundred in a fanbase of 4000-6000? peanuts. Most fans go to watch games to see the team win day to day games i.e. the league and we pretty much chucked that away in November, this team didnt even make it to the xmas break. The only league win in living memory and it was frittered away as imho it felt like the club thought job done rather than build a legacy that i think alot of fans were hoping for if not expected, i really dont see much difference with this. CN has proved time and time again he can motivate a squad to win cup games and he weaved hhis magic again this time but he has spectacularly failed at what is the big prize in british ice hockey. the league. Whether this is the limited budget not allowing him the sign the calibre of players he wants, whether management do not allow him to replace or substitute injured players effectively (either too late or not at all), or maybe he just isnt up to that job i dont know but as great as this win is it must not be allowed to again paper over massive cracks that are wrong with this club on its day to day activities which i believe the vast majority of the fan base pay to see and which the club spectacularly year on year fail to deliver. Inccidentally its funny how the club can arrange a webcast in another rink and generate enough income to most likely fund the whole exercise yet cannot find the inclination to do it in their own arena..... go figure eh The Continental Cup was outlined as the top priority this season. That has been acheived, so in my eyes that makes it a success. The big prize in British Ice Hockey is very subjective, depends what you put the most value in as a fan. The league may not be top of my priority list, but logically now that we've won a European competiton the way to build on it is to focus in on the one trophy that's avoided us. Well the league matters to me. It's what I bought a season ticket for and why I go along to watch all winter. If it's just a matter of killing time in the evenings I can think of a hundred things I would rather be doing personally. The European side last weekend was excellent and the Mickey Mouse challenge cup is just a sideshow and the POWE is just two days no matter how you look at it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 14:16:37 GMT
The Continental Cup was outlined as the top priority this season. That has been acheived, so in my eyes that makes it a success. The big prize in British Ice Hockey is very subjective, depends what you put the most value in as a fan. The league may not be top of my priority list, but logically now that we've won a European competiton the way to build on it is to focus in on the one trophy that's avoided us. Well the league matters to me. It's what I bought a season ticket for and why I go along to watch all winter. If it's just a matter of killing time in the evenings I can think of a hundred things I would rather be doing personally. The European side last weekend was excellent and the Mickey Mouse challenge cup is just a sideshow and the POWE is just two days no matter how you look at it. That's why I said it was subjective. There is no right and wrong answer here. I go to watch a game of ice hockey, if they win great and if they lose it annoys me as much as anyone else along with ruining the rest of my evening but the next day I'm over it and it's on to the next one.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 18, 2017 14:38:36 GMT
Well the league matters to me. It's what I bought a season ticket for and why I go along to watch all winter. If it's just a matter of killing time in the evenings I can think of a hundred things I would rather be doing personally. The European side last weekend was excellent and the Mickey Mouse challenge cup is just a sideshow and the POWE is just two days no matter how you look at it. That's why I said it was subjective. There is no right and wrong answer here. I go to watch a game of ice hockey, if they win great and if they lose it annoys me as much as anyone else along with ruining the rest of my evening but the next day I'm over it and it's on to the next one. I just don't see the point unless the league is the number one goal in any sport. The other cups take a lot less effort and the league will always be the number one achievement just for that alone. Sport is about competing and winning or else it may just as well be dancing on ice or something
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Post by iginla on Jan 18, 2017 14:40:57 GMT
Who's this Robinson guy,I must have missed him being so much better than any body else. I remember a little chap who popped up for a bit,waltzed around for a while,had one good game against Hamburg when he was trying to get noticed to get another DEL contract,then got himself chucked out of the game on purpose in Cardiff because he didn't fancy the rough stuff. But other than that.....I'm struggling to remember him ! 🤔 Not a fan then? Haha Nope....and neither were his teammates ! 😉
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Post by Yotes on Jan 18, 2017 15:04:06 GMT
I've split this discussion out of the Final thread, I'd quite like to shift that to Gold in a few days and it doesn't really need a pros and cons of Nathan Robinson in it, so you can discuss them here (mostly cons, btw ).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 15:12:46 GMT
That's why I said it was subjective. There is no right and wrong answer here. I go to watch a game of ice hockey, if they win great and if they lose it annoys me as much as anyone else along with ruining the rest of my evening but the next day I'm over it and it's on to the next one. I just don't see the point unless the league is the number one goal in any sport. The other cups take a lot less effort and the league will always be the number one achievement just for that alone. Sport is about competing and winning or else it may just as well be dancing on ice or something I was a fan of the NHL & NFL before I knew the EIHL existed, league titles there don't matter (and don't exist in the sense of the NFL). I've never been a football fan so never got into the importance of winning a league as a mentality. I'm a cricket fan but I don't watch it domestically, only internationally where there is no league table. I'm a wrestling fan so entertainment is important to me, growing up watching this also subscribes you to the theory of entertainment > result. There is no logical reason as to why I would view the league as a priority given any of those things. So as I said, it's subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 15:39:41 GMT
I've split this discussion out of the Final thread, I'd quite like to shift that to Gold in a few days and it doesn't really need a pros and cons of Nathan Robinson in it, so you can discuss them here (mostly cons, btw ). Fair
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Post by pantherlee on Jan 18, 2017 15:44:50 GMT
I just don't see the point unless the league is the number one goal in any sport. The other cups take a lot less effort and the league will always be the number one achievement just for that alone. Sport is about competing and winning or else it may just as well be dancing on ice or something I was a fan of the NHL & NFL before I knew the EIHL existed, league titles there don't matter (and don't exist in the sense of the NFL). I've never been a football fan so never got into the importance of winning a league as a mentality. I'm a cricket fan but I don't watch it domestically, only internationally where there is no league table. I'm a wrestling fan so entertainment is important to me, growing up watching this also subscribes you to the theory of entertainment > result. There is no logical reason as to why I would view the league as a priority given any of those things. So as I said, it's subjective. I think you'll find you're in a great minority though. The culture in this country regarding most sports revolves around league titles. Thats the one most of the fans want and i'm not saying that the playoffs and cup aren't important but the league should be priority. its the biggest and longest and hardest competition to win therefore should hold more value. The playoffs are the main thing in America because they are big competitions, 4 rounds of best of seven from the teams from the 16 that have proven themselves the best that year, whereas here it just 4 games there's no real comparison
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 15:59:08 GMT
I was a fan of the NHL & NFL before I knew the EIHL existed, league titles there don't matter (and don't exist in the sense of the NFL). I've never been a football fan so never got into the importance of winning a league as a mentality. I'm a cricket fan but I don't watch it domestically, only internationally where there is no league table. I'm a wrestling fan so entertainment is important to me, growing up watching this also subscribes you to the theory of entertainment > result. There is no logical reason as to why I would view the league as a priority given any of those things. So as I said, it's subjective. I think you'll find you're in a great minority though. The culture in this country regarding most sports revolves around league titles. Thats the one most of the fans want and i'm not saying that the playoffs and cup aren't important but the league should be priority. its the biggest and longest and hardest competition to win therefore should hold more value. The playoffs are the main thing in America because they are big competitions, 4 rounds of best of seven from the teams from the 16 that have proven themselves the best that year, whereas here it just 4 games there's no real comparison I know and appreciate that I am in a minority, that does not mean that I wrong though. Yes our playoff system is just 4 games but it's been ingrained in me that playoffs is what is important before I came to knowing the EIHL so that is what is going to be important to me. Irrelevant of how poor the playoff system is.
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Post by Warren on Jan 18, 2017 16:01:42 GMT
I just don't see the point unless the league is the number one goal in any sport. The other cups take a lot less effort and the league will always be the number one achievement just for that alone. Sport is about competing and winning or else it may just as well be dancing on ice or something I was a fan of the NHL & NFL before I knew the EIHL existed, league titles there don't matter (and don't exist in the sense of the NFL). I've never been a football fan so never got into the importance of winning a league as a mentality. I'm a cricket fan but I don't watch it domestically, only internationally where there is no league table. I'm a wrestling fan so entertainment is important to me, growing up watching this also subscribes you to the theory of entertainment > result. There is no logical reason as to why I would view the league as a priority given any of those things. So as I said, it's subjective. They do matter in the NHL and NFL, maybe not in "all encompasing" league that we know from the Soccer ball world in the UK but they do matter in some respect. Home Ice / Field advantage is huge especially in one off games like in the NFL playoffs. Again in the NHL, if you are the highest seeded team, the best in the NHL (Presidents trophy winner) then you will always have this, and can theoretically win the Stanley cup just by winning home games. As for being out of the league title race, We're not. I repeat Not out of it. take last season, thanks to various other teams doing each other over, there was a point with 5 games left, that if we won them all, we were lifting the title. Same this season... So last Monday I did a load of working out (slow day at work) and came up with the following: IF panthers go undefeated for the rest of the season, its only Cardiff who can, and they would have to do similar (except our games) to beat us. IF we assume that all in conference games are won by home teams and Inter conference we beat the Scottish, we fall behind by 7pts. BUT as we have 7 conference games left, we can nick points / get the bonus OT point at least we at minimum draw level with Steelers and Devils. Now the way this season has gone and anyone is beating anyone on any given night, all panthers have to do is play the hockey we know they can, and go out there and win all the remaining games. And as for playing for League positions, see the Mike Blaisdell team in 05/06. He tried it and failed and we didn't make it to playoffs. (you thought this team was bad for drinking...)
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Post by texpef on Jan 18, 2017 16:17:38 GMT
Of course there is a right/wrong answer... ask the majority of EIHL fans around the league which trophy they think is the one to get... I believe the vast majority will say the league title..
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:34:59 GMT
I was a fan of the NHL & NFL before I knew the EIHL existed, league titles there don't matter (and don't exist in the sense of the NFL). I've never been a football fan so never got into the importance of winning a league as a mentality. I'm a cricket fan but I don't watch it domestically, only internationally where there is no league table. I'm a wrestling fan so entertainment is important to me, growing up watching this also subscribes you to the theory of entertainment > result. There is no logical reason as to why I would view the league as a priority given any of those things. So as I said, it's subjective. They do matter in the NHL and NFL, maybe not in "all encompasing" league that we know from the Soccer ball world in the UK but they do matter in some respect. Home Ice / Field advantage is huge especially in one off games like in the NFL playoffs. Again in the NHL, if you are the highest seeded team, the best in the NHL (Presidents trophy winner) then you will always have this, and can theoretically win the Stanley cup just by winning home games. There's also the aspect of 'just get to the dance' to consider aswell, as long as you get in anything can happen. Home field/ice being an advantage is another debate entirely.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:36:33 GMT
Of course there is a right/wrong answer... ask the majority of EIHL fans around the league which trophy they think is the one to get... I believe the vast majority will say the league title.. Key word highlighted...
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:37:08 GMT
Of course there is a right/wrong answer... ask the majority of EIHL fans around the league which trophy they think is the one to get... I believe the vast majority will say the league title.. I know all Sheffield fans view the league as priority and rightly so. Recent cup success has brainwashed the modern panthers fan into thinking it's the cups which are important or when the next euro jolly is ! The CC win is history now . Let's see how performances stack up in the coming games which really matter !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:39:15 GMT
I was a fan of the NHL & NFL before I knew the EIHL existed, league titles there don't matter (and don't exist in the sense of the NFL). I've never been a football fan so never got into the importance of winning a league as a mentality. I'm a cricket fan but I don't watch it domestically, only internationally where there is no league table. I'm a wrestling fan so entertainment is important to me, growing up watching this also subscribes you to the theory of entertainment > result. There is no logical reason as to why I would view the league as a priority given any of those things. So as I said, it's subjective. They do matter in the NHL and NFL, maybe not in "all encompasing" league that we know from the Soccer ball world in the UK but they do matter in some respect. Home Ice / Field advantage is huge especially in one off games like in the NFL playoffs. Again in the NHL, if you are the highest seeded team, the best in the NHL (Presidents trophy winner) then you will always have this, and can theoretically win the Stanley cup just by winning home games. As for being out of the league title race, We're not. I repeat Not out of it. take last season, thanks to various other teams doing each other over, there was a point with 5 games left, that if we won them all, we were lifting the title. Same this season... So last Monday I did a load of working out (slow day at work) and came up with the following: IF panthers go undefeated for the rest of the season, its only Cardiff who can, and they would have to do similar (except our games) to beat us. IF we assume that all in conference games are won by home teams and Inter conference we beat the Scottish, we fall behind by 7pts. BUT as we have 7 conference games left, we can nick points / get the bonus OT point at least we at minimum draw level with Steelers and Devils. Now the way this season has gone and anyone is beating anyone on any given night, all panthers have to do is play the hockey we know they can, and go out there and win all the remaining games. And as for playing for League positions, see the Mike Blaisdell team in 05/06. He tried it and failed and we didn't make it to playoffs. (you thought this team was bad for drinking...) Once Tess departed our chance went. I was convinced we would have won the league last year. Even Belfast players were relieved Dan Left
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:40:19 GMT
Of course there is a right/wrong answer... ask the majority of EIHL fans around the league which trophy they think is the one to get... I believe the vast majority will say the league title.. I know all Sheffield fans view the league as priority and rightly so. Recent cup success has brainwashed the modern panthers fan into thinking it's the cups which are important or when the next euro jolly is ! The CC win is history now . Let's see how performances stack up in the coming games which really matter ! It's personal preference, there's no wrong answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 16:44:04 GMT
I know all Sheffield fans view the league as priority and rightly so. Recent cup success has brainwashed the modern panthers fan into thinking it's the cups which are important or when the next euro jolly is ! The CC win is history now . Let's see how performances stack up in the coming games which really matter ! It's personal preference, there's no wrong answer. Maybe not but I go to see a winning team and be the best . That's what you earn by winning the league, not by grabbing a few cups. If I want a night out I ll travel alot closer to my local or get the cans in !
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