iginla
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Post by iginla on Apr 13, 2017 17:52:12 GMT
Are you saying that Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast all pay their players the same as Edinburgh? somehow I don't think so. No they don't,but Panthers certainly don't spend ANYWHERE NEAR what they could. Have a look at Panthers results from last year and see how many games we lost against Manchester,Fife,Dundee and Edinburgh. All teams who get similar or smaller crowds than Guildford or Milton Keynes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2017 18:01:05 GMT
Are you saying that Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast all pay their players the same as Edinburgh? somehow I don't think so. He's not saying that at all, just saying that because we get 6 times the crowd doesn't mean we are paying 6 times as much per player. I'm not privy to the numbers regarding players wages but I'd be very surprised if the average Panthers/Sheff/Belfast/Cardiff player earned more than double that of an average Fife/Edinburgh/Dundee player. Whilst our income may be higher so are our costs. Nobody is denying we have a higher playing budget than the rink teams but I highly doubt our budget is more than 3 times that of any team in this league. Without seeing contracts though it's just one opinion against another. If I'm wrong though then our woeful domestic season is a hell of a lot worse. Where I think Guildford/MK may struggle is getting the same level of players than a Fife can bring in for the same money. The cost of living in the south is extortionate even outside of London. Player X will demand more playing for a Guildford than a Dundee. |
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Post by pens on Apr 13, 2017 18:37:13 GMT
Are you saying that Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast all pay their players the same as Edinburgh? somehow I don't think so. He's not saying that at all, just saying that because we get 6 times the crowd doesn't mean we are paying 6 times as much per player. I'm not privy to the numbers regarding players wages but I'd be very surprised if the average Panthers/Sheff/Belfast/Cardiff player earned more than double that of an average Fife/Edinburgh/Dundee player. Whilst our income may be higher so are our costs. Nobody is denying we have a higher playing budget than the rink teams but I highly doubt our budget is more than 3 times that of any team in this league. Without seeing contracts though it's just one opinion against another. If I'm wrong though then our woeful domestic season is a hell of a lot worse. Where I think Guildford/MK may struggle is getting the same level of players than a Fife can bring in for the same money. The cost of living in the south is extortionate even outside of London. Player X will demand more playing for a Guildford than a Dundee. Well summed up, although panthers probably could, i doubt they pay players 3 times what caps pay I think devils, giants and maybe Steelers will be in the region of paying players triple what caps pay though |
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Post by shytot on Apr 14, 2017 8:51:44 GMT
It makes one wonder why we see the same old faces every year at the top of the pile, it's like the rich football clubs, how well would the top teams do if they only had the money the bottom teams have?
If Guildford and MK can not match the money paid by the top teams their fans had better get used to seeing their teams losing a lot more games than they win and seeing their fan base getting smaller every week, if you bite off more than you can chew there's a chance you might choke, it's a pessamistic view I know but it's a view I think the fans should be made aware of. I really hope they compete and do well and every one benifits from their step up to the next level, the more teams playing the better it will be for everyone. |
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Post by pingchowchi on Apr 14, 2017 9:50:09 GMT
Oh neil black would love that suggestion, "oh I want to spend more money on the squad, but the rules stop me"
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Post by coloradoflyer01 on Apr 14, 2017 10:16:24 GMT
more ofter than not the reason a player picks fife is not far to go to edinburgh , dundee , and loads of golf including st andrews
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Post by meadow on Apr 14, 2017 11:45:21 GMT
I think its too simple just to see this as an issue of 'the big boys can spend triple the amount of the smaller teams on a particular player' etc. I think it'd be a fair estimate to say that most import wages in the EIHL fall into a fairly stable range of £400-£1200 a week regardless of team (going off various bits of information thats come from clubs and players). More reasons come into player decisions than a team just chucking cash around. If you take the example of Ryan Hayes from the Caps a few years back; if he goes to the Panthers he's part of a deep roster, gets paid according to a wage structure that accounts for a deep roster and gets a middling amount of ice time. He goes to the Caps gets paid as their top player, plays 25 minutes a night, racks up a load of points and cashes in on his next job all whilst living in a nice city for a year. There was also an article with Ben Bowns saying that the first year he signed in Hull, an EPL team offered to double or triple his Stingrays wages but he turned them down to get a chance of playing in the EIHL regularly.
Because this league still isn't seen as a top Euro league you need a certain amount of creativity in your recruitment approach, which to be fair to the Blaze, they did to perfection during their dominant EIHL years pulling in the likes of Martin, Koenig and Cloutier with uni deals which no one else was offering at the time. Also see this with Corey saying that he wants guys to see panthers as a stepping stone to bigger things in europe.
Where the 'big boys' do have an advantage is in the ability to wield the spending power to have a deep talented roster such as Cardiff's, and this is where the new roster restrictions and u23 Brit stipulations will help level the playing field a bit more.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Apr 14, 2017 12:04:30 GMT
Fans at some of the rink teams need to look a lot closer to home when it comes to spending power for players and most of the EIHL as a whole needs to look at the dismal sponsor revenue that they pull in. Supersport teams regularly pull in £30+ K a year in sponsorship at the very bottom end of the class yet I've been to rinks over the years who are sponsored by local taxi firms. The EIHL are still in the dark ages with regards sponsorship, commercial sponsorship agents and the media in general. Just look at the EIHL television deal this past season. It wouldn't have raised penny for the guy money. Thank goodness all most of the teams have to do is pay rent and buy sticks or they wouldn't even get to first base in 2017.
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iginla
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Post by iginla on Apr 14, 2017 14:52:53 GMT
I think its too simple just to see this as an issue of 'the big boys can spend triple the amount of the smaller teams on a particular player' etc. I think it'd be a fair estimate to say that most import wages in the EIHL fall into a fairly stable range of £400-£1200 a week regardless of team (going off various bits of information thats come from clubs and players). More reasons come into player decisions than a team just chucking cash around. If you take the example of Ryan Hayes from the Caps a few years back; if he goes to the Panthers he's part of a deep roster, gets paid according to a wage structure that accounts for a deep roster and gets a middling amount of ice time. He goes to the Caps gets paid as their top player, plays 25 minutes a night, racks up a load of points and cashes in on his next job all whilst living in a nice city for a year. There was also an article with Ben Bowns saying that the first year he signed in Hull, an EPL team offered to double or triple his Stingrays wages but he turned them down to get a chance of playing in the EIHL regularly. Because this league still isn't seen as a top Euro league you need a certain amount of creativity in your recruitment approach, which to be fair to the Blaze, they did to perfection during their dominant EIHL years pulling in the likes of Martin, Koenig and Cloutier with uni deals which no one else was offering at the time. Also see this with Corey saying that he wants guys to see panthers as a stepping stone to bigger things in europe. Where the 'big boys' do have an advantage is in the ability to wield the spending power to have a deep talented roster such as Cardiff's, and this is where the new roster restrictions and u23 Brit stipulations will help level the playing field a bit more. Corey wasn't thinking of guys using Panthers as a stepping stone to Europe last season,when he signed an ageing team full of 30 plus year olds. He's only come up with that load of cobblers because Mr Black has told him he wants a much younger,fitter and hungrier team next season. They are Blacks words not the puppet coach's ! |
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Post by GuinnessMan on Apr 14, 2017 17:42:55 GMT
If you are looking for players potentially on their way up, I guess we shouldn't expect any big cv's
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Post by shytot on Apr 14, 2017 20:39:57 GMT
I suspect Cardiff will want most of their team back again next year especially their net minders. (It's silly but I can't think of his name)
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