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Post by iginla on Jan 23, 2017 19:10:47 GMT
As of next season we'll have five arena teams (I throw in Cardiff as they just qualify) and seven rink teams. Whether we like it or not the rink teams are the foundation of the EIHL. I completely understand your reference in terms of fairness but that's your goal, a 'fair' league. The fact is the conferences weren't introduced for fairness, they were brought in to save the Scottish rink teams money so that they could remain reasonably competitive. The system has worked so don't expect the league to get fairer, it'll more than likely be just as unbalanced as it is now come 17/18 season. The problem is it's not just travel, the less local rival games you have the more your travel costs go up and the lower your income from away fans drops. That could be a very negative double etched sword. Another point you forget. We currently play Sheffield 4x4 in the league. Do you seriously expect either club will be in a rush to go to 3x3 and lose a considerably chunk of cash? That doesn't sound like the GM I know. The key thing you have missed here is that regardless of system an expanded league means in all likelihood it will be 3 and 3 in conference and 2 and cross conference. There wont be room for 4 and 4 unless they go up to a 56 game season( 4 team conferences) or 60(6 teqm conferences). As above the travel is far less an issue as it first appears. They will have to travel out of Scotland more come what may due to 2 extra teams. All your doing is adding 1 extra trip to Cardiff and 1 to Belfast to have the 6 team conference system as opposed to the 4 team one. With all that in mind the fairer 6 team system is a no brainer for me. Indeed. And by giving teams an extra two games per season (54 instead of 52) that's an extra home gate, So to take the worst example of Edinburgh with a crowd of say 800,that would probably be an extra income of say £10k to offset the cost of more away travel. That's a lot of coach time ! |
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Jan 23, 2017 19:42:10 GMT
for me it should be 3 conferences of 4 teams.
the Scots,
Cardiff,Belfast,nottingham and shuff,
Coventry,Manchester, Guilford and mK.
play 4x4 own conference and 2x2 others, giving the big 4 no advantage, keeping the rivalry games for the money aspect.
only slight unfairness I see is Manchester having to travel more than most.
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Post by pens on Jan 24, 2017 22:46:03 GMT
Keeping Manchester and the Scottish teams together is a big mistake, the EIHL has a chance to make a system now that makes enough sense geographically and competitively.
Keeping them together doesn't do either.
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Post by endisforever91 on Jan 31, 2017 12:35:40 GMT
There's a certain irony in the "Storm would get a tough conference" comments, given we've got winning records this season against Belfast (2-1-0) and Cardiff (1-0-1) and we've split the games against Panthers, but yet we've lost both games against Coventry and have losing records against Dundee (2-2-1), Fife (3-3-1) and Braehead (2-4-0).
Personally I think the bigger crowds and shorter travel would even put the tougher games from a playing perspective.
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Post by iginla on Jan 31, 2017 12:40:03 GMT
There's a certain irony in the "Storm would get a tough conference" comments, given we've got winning records this season against Belfast (2-1-0) and Cardiff (1-0-1) and we've split the games against Panthers, but yet we've lost both games against Coventry and have losing records against Dundee (2-2-1), Fife (3-3-1) and Braehead (2-4-0). Personally I think the bigger crowds and shorter travel would even put the tougher games from a playing perspective. What conferences or system would you like to see for Manchester then Endis ? |
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Post by Yotes on Feb 24, 2017 15:01:53 GMT
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Post by titch on Feb 24, 2017 15:24:27 GMT
The question is, are MKL and GF equipped to play in the Elite League? I don't know the EPL much but I've heard that the training schedule is minimal and demands of hockey a lot less.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Feb 24, 2017 15:28:08 GMT
The question is, are MKL and GF equipped to play in the Elite League? I don't know the EPL much but I've heard that the training schedule is minimal and demands of hockey a lot less. They will adapt easily |
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Post by Discoray on Feb 24, 2017 15:36:26 GMT
The question is, are MKL and GF equipped to play in the Elite League? I don't know the EPL much but I've heard that the training schedule is minimal and demands of hockey a lot less. Guildford spend more just now on players in the EPL than half the EIHL clubs do on theirs, and MK are a well ran organisation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see both of them above the likes of the Stars, Caps, Flyers & Blaze next season. |
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on Feb 24, 2017 15:39:43 GMT
The question is, are MKL and GF equipped to play in the Elite League? I don't know the EPL much but I've heard that the training schedule is minimal and demands of hockey a lot less. Guildford spend more just now on players in the EPL than half the EIHL clubs do on theirs, and MK are a well ran organisation. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see both of them above the likes of the Stars, Caps, Flyers & Blaze next season. Yeh Flames get a solid crowd every week. Up 1,600 i think(?). With a stable fan base, and a good set of sponsors which they already have, finding the budget to play EIHL shouldn't be too much of a problem for them I doubt! Will almost certainly be selling out the Guildford rink as well. With the EPL uncertainty, wouldn't be surprised if they dragged in support from some Bracknell and Basingstoke followers too. |
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Post by Higgy on Feb 24, 2017 16:50:08 GMT
With an average crowd more than Caps,Stars and Storm I think they will be fine.
There is also talk of a new bigger rink in Guildford being built.
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Post by NP on Feb 24, 2017 18:30:08 GMT
Reckon MKL are averaging higher crowds than Guildford this season with them doing much better in the League. Think MKL are averaging in region of 1800 this season & capacity is 2800 (apparently 600 is standing). Tho they've a lot of links with schools that pushes the crowd figures up.
Both teams will miss their current local rivalries, & lot of fans unhappy about move but they'll adapt & get new fans in!
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2017 19:00:27 GMT
Were Guildford the opponents regarding Craighead v goalie many moons ago or was that Slough?
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Feb 24, 2017 19:05:22 GMT
Were Guildford the opponents regarding Craighead v goalie many moons ago or was that Slough? It was Guildford... on Bielik. That whole cross-conference cup was very odd. |
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2017 19:06:30 GMT
Were Guildford the opponents regarding Craighead v goalie many moons ago or was that Slough? It was Guildford... on Bielik. That whole cross-conference cup was very odd. Seems such a long time ago... |
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Feb 24, 2017 19:09:13 GMT
It was Guildford... on Bielik. That whole cross-conference cup was very odd. Seems such a long time ago... Wasn't it when Craighead was getting really hacked off with Adey... we won the game by some big score and he lost his mind. Guildford had a good team that year though - they even had Jamie McLennen for 3 games during the lockout. |
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Post by shinobi on Feb 24, 2017 21:07:54 GMT
Seems such a long time ago... Wasn't it when Craighead was getting really hacked off with Adey... we won the game by some big score and he lost his mind. Guildford had a good team that year though - they even had Jamie McLennen for 3 games during the lockout. Can't remember in all honesty; I do remember the incident happened on the "U" goal and it was a polarising act. |
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Feb 25, 2017 2:26:53 GMT
The Guildford tough guy at the time, Baird I think, gave Paul Moran a bit of a hiding. Adey sent Craighead out with orders to send a message.
Moran v Baird
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Feb 25, 2017 2:30:11 GMT
Guildford and MK are fantastic additions to the league. Not only are they established teams with solid fanbases but they also respresent the South East, an area the EIHL haven't held a presence in since the Racers folded all those years ago. They will also no doubt strengthen Coventry, having more local rivals of a competitive size never hurts.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2017 3:52:58 GMT
Seems such a long time ago... Wasn't it when Craighead was getting really hacked off with Adey... we won the game by some big score and he lost his mind. Guildford had a good team that year though - they even had Jamie McLennen for 3 games during the lockout. I remember that mclennen got a sizable ban in the NHL for a incident too. Cross checking a player in the back of the legs if I remember. Yes Guildford beat panthers twice I think in those crossover games |
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Post by Higgy on Feb 25, 2017 9:39:37 GMT
Wasn't it when Craighead was getting really hacked off with Adey... we won the game by some big score and he lost his mind. Guildford had a good team that year though - they even had Jamie McLennen for 3 games during the lockout. I remember that mclennen got a sizable ban in the NHL for a incident too. Cross checking a player in the back of the legs if I remember. Yes Guildford beat panthers twice I think in those crossover games We beat Flames 6-2 at the NIC I think |
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Post by spik on Feb 25, 2017 10:02:31 GMT
I remember that mclennen got a sizable ban in the NHL for a incident too. Cross checking a player in the back of the legs if I remember. Yes Guildford beat panthers twice I think in those crossover games We beat Flames 6-2 at the NIC I think I have these games in a quick plunge into the stats. 04-05 season 2/10/04 7-2 Nottm win at home and 20/2/05 5-1 Nottm win away 16/01/00 Challenge 7-6 Nottm win away 16/11/97 Challenge 3-6 loss away 1995/96 Autumn Cup 9/9/95 10-2 Nottm win home and 17/9/95 10-3 Nottm win away |
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Post by shytot on Apr 13, 2017 16:44:12 GMT
Good news. Can't see Guildford being happy with their travelling if they got placed in the Scottish conference though. I don't think the travelling will be the problem, the problem will be trying to keep the MK and Guildford fans coming to games when they know they are going to get beaten, up untill now MK and Guildford have teams that can beat anyone on the night so the fans hope every time their team will win, getting beaten on a regular basis is not so easy to swallow, anyone can support a winning teams but the real fans are in places like Edinburgh where they get on average 800 - 900 fans for a home game while Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast can get more than 6-7 thousand for a home game, which means the wage bill for those teams can be ten time that of Edinburgh, how much will MK and Guildford pay their players?
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Post by Chris on Apr 13, 2017 16:59:56 GMT
Good news. Can't see Guildford being happy with their travelling if they got placed in the Scottish conference though. I don't think the travelling will be the problem, the problem will be trying to keep the MK and Guildford fans coming to games when they know they are going to get beaten, up untill now MK and Guildford have teams that can beat anyone on the night so the fans hope every time their team will win, getting beaten on a regular basis is not so easy to swallow, anyone can support a winning teams but the real fans are in places like Edinburgh where they get on average 800 - 900 fans for a home game while Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast can get more than 6-7 thousand for a home game, which means the wage bill for those teams can be ten time that of Edinburgh, how much will MK and Guildford pay their players?
We get perhaps 6 times the amount in attendance on average but we certainly don't pay the players 6 times more. Also, I wouldn't say MK and Guildford would necessarily get beaten every game. Manchester had a relatively good first season, even making it to the playoffs and they were a completely new setup. MK and Guildford have an experienced management that have performed well in the past. Not saying they're necessarily going to do well but I don't see any reason why they should by default be the whipping boys of the league. |
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Post by shytot on Apr 13, 2017 17:35:10 GMT
Are you saying that Sheffield, Nottingham and Belfast all pay their players the same as Edinburgh? somehow I don't think so.
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