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Post by iginla on Jan 18, 2017 18:51:20 GMT
Was it Tod Kelman saying in a interview that the playoff weekend is a big money spinner for the Elite league? So don't think the playoff weekend will be axed any time soon Play off weekend won't be going anywhere........a near £500k profit from one weekend will see to that ! Struggling to see what they're going to do with conferences though without creating either too few or too many games. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2017 19:18:59 GMT
Was it Tod Kelman saying in a interview that the playoff weekend is a big money spinner for the Elite league? So don't think the playoff weekend will be axed any time soon Play off weekend won't be going anywhere........a near £500k profit from one weekend will see to that ! Struggling to see what they're going to do with conferences though without creating either too few or too many games. Then this is where you need Brock Wilson someone with some nous and fresh ideas, because up in elite towers those who make the key decisions are bloody useless and don't have utter clue how to move the league forward. |
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 18, 2017 19:24:41 GMT
Play off weekend won't be going anywhere........a near £500k profit from one weekend will see to that ! Struggling to see what they're going to do with conferences though without creating either too few or too many games. Then this is where you need Brock Wilson someone with some nous and fresh ideas, because up in elite towers those who make the key decisions are bloody useless and don't have utter clue how to move the league forward. I believe we really should be looking at the idea of a challenge cup finals weekend. Same format as play offs. A different time of the season(October perhaps). I know it's not quite the play offs and breaks tradition, however in time people will turn up with no play off wee up. People will adjust and league will still make a similar profit. Somebody just has to be brave enough to push it through and give it a go. |
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Post by pens on Jan 18, 2017 19:57:33 GMT
I think the playoff weekend works well as it is, it would be extremely difficult for arena teams to reserve ice time for certain dates with a chance of not getting through if we had playoff series.
A few tweaks could be made though. With 12 teams, an opportunity arises to create a secondary playoff competition (potential names playouts/eihl shield):
The top 8 qualify for the playoffs and play 2 legged quarterfinals the weekend after the season finishes (home and away)
The bottom 4 qualify for the playouts/shield and play 2 legged semifinals the same weekend (home and away)
Then the playoff weekend takes the same structure with the 2 semifinals on the Saturday and the final on Sunday but the 3rd/4th place game becomes the playout/shield final.
This means 50% of league (6/12) teams play instead of the current 40%, every game is meaningful and every team can appear at the playoff weekend, regardless of where you finish. Giving fans of teams like Edinburgh something to look forward to at the end of the season and giving the small teams who cannot qualify for the playoffs a reason to keep playing hard.
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Post by DonClaneone on Jan 19, 2017 15:16:49 GMT
Think that would be a terrible idea just because it'd be another meaningless game to replace the 3rd place playoff.
The only game that really matters in the weekend is the final itself, besides if teams were good enough then they'd qualify for the weekend anyway, no sense in putting other teams in for the sake of it.
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Post by wgray on Jan 19, 2017 15:26:27 GMT
Think that would be a terrible idea just because it'd be another meaningless game to replace the 3rd place playoff. The only game that really matters in the weekend is the final itself, besides if teams were good enough then they'd qualify for the weekend anyway, no sense in putting other teams in for the sake of it. I agree completely |
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Post by brodeurfan1993 on Jan 19, 2017 17:35:12 GMT
For me it would be good to see a return to a proper league format.
11 opponents, twice home,twice away = 44 reg season games.
Bottom 4 into a group round robin (6 games) for EIHL plate.
Top 8 into 2x groups of 4 (6 games each) then top 2 from each group to the Finals weekend.
That way every gets 50 games with possible POFW.
Also good to restructure challenge cup - Potentially 3 groups of 4, with top from each group and the 2 best 3rd place teams into the quarters. Usual 2 legs QF/SF/F from then on.
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Post by Yotes on Jan 19, 2017 17:46:43 GMT
I would be amazed if Gary et al give up that many Panthers v Steelers games from the calendar.
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 19, 2017 18:48:53 GMT
I would be amazed if Gary et al give up that many Panthers v Steelers games from the calendar. Fairly sure the conference system will stay in place for the same reason it was introduced in the first place. I imagine it to be a choice between 3 x 4 team conferences for 50 games(18 conference and 16 cross conference against each conference=32) Or 2 x 6 Team conference with 54 games(2 more than present). 30 conference & 24 cross conference. So either 1 more or 1 less home(& away) fixture per season. In any of those they only lose 1 big game fixture each, not 2. |
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Post by spik on Jan 19, 2017 19:37:59 GMT
For me it would be good to see a return to a proper league format. 11 opponents, twice home,twice away = 44 reg season games. Bottom 4 into a group round robin (6 games) for EIHL plate. Top 8 into 2x groups of 4 (6 games each) then top 2 from each group to the Finals weekend. That way every gets 50 games with possible POFW. Also good to restructure challenge cup - Potentially 3 groups of 4, with top from each group and the 2 best 3rd place teams into the quarters. Usual 2 legs QF/SF/F from then on. A better Cup idea but a fight over who gets 3rd place if top two are qualifiers. Who do you choose? |
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Post by spik on Jan 19, 2017 19:43:46 GMT
I would be amazed if Gary et al give up that many Panthers v Steelers games from the calendar. Probably so, but then that's why I gave up on a ST. If they can't make a season interesting I can't justify my faith in them and the season and my money given up. |
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Post by kezypanther on Jan 21, 2017 11:10:20 GMT
In the interview with Kelman on EL site he said:
“I prefer twelve teams teams rather than eleven; and we have a decision to make on whether we keep the Conference system and make it ‘six and six’. It could make the schedule a little more even than we have now.”
“The Conference system has worked. The Scottish teams don’t want to change the system, they’re happy with it…Milton Keynes are in no matter what so it’s going to be eleven or twelve teams next year; I hope it’s twelve”
So looks as if the conference system will stay in place (I'm happy with this) with them split 6 & 6. Obviously this isn't set in stone but I can see it being kept this way.
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Post by iginla on Jan 21, 2017 11:34:04 GMT
In the interview with Kelman on EL site he said: “I prefer twelve teams teams rather than eleven; and we have a decision to make on whether we keep the Conference system and make it ‘six and six’. It could make the schedule a little more even than we have now.” “The Conference system has worked. The Scottish teams don’t want to change the system, they’re happy with it…Milton Keynes are in no matter what so it’s going to be eleven or twelve teams next year; I hope it’s twelve” So looks as if the conference system will stay in place (I'm happy with this) with them split 6 & 6. Obviously this isn't set in stone but I can see it being kept this way. Be interesting to see what a fans poll thought ? 1x12 league 2x6 conference 3x4 conference Perhaps the EIHL should do one. |
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Post by spik on Jan 21, 2017 11:58:31 GMT
In the interview with Kelman on EL site he said: “I prefer twelve teams teams rather than eleven; and we have a decision to make on whether we keep the Conference system and make it ‘six and six’. It could make the schedule a little more even than we have now.” “The Conference system has worked. The Scottish teams don’t want to change the system, they’re happy with it…Milton Keynes are in no matter what so it’s going to be eleven or twelve teams next year; I hope it’s twelve” So looks as if the conference system will stay in place (I'm happy with this) with them split 6 & 6. Obviously this isn't set in stone but I can see it being kept this way. Be interesting to see what a fans poll thought ? 1x12 league 2x6 conference 3x4 conference Perhaps the EIHL should do one. Or my annual rally on bringing in the Australian footy rules Play-Off idea that hails a North American type league followed by Play Off competition. You can still have a league champ and following that a Play Off winner. The PO teams are pitted against each other of similar quality giving the 'lower' teams a chance to set the cat amoung the pidgeons. Top of league (reason to play well in this) clashes give varying results of ....a) qualification to semi's OR b) re match against a 'lower league' team in order to join them in that semi or the 'lower' team goes through instead just like any other knock out format but with a twist that opens up possibilities.. All good stuff but I fear too much for this Elite board. |
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Post by NickThePanther44 on Jan 21, 2017 17:42:50 GMT
I'd go for three conferences of four, play four games home away against conference rival two home and away everyone else. This gives you fifty six league games which is not far off what we have now and plenty of local money making trips for everyone.
Clan Flyers Caps Stars
Panthers Steelers Storm Giants
Devils Blaze Lightning Flames
Devils and Clan get it a little easier but no system is perfect. Storm have a tough group but will benefit from far more away supporters spending money.
The only other EPL side that's even remotely viable is Hull but I think it's a little early in Shane Smith's business plan for that. There are plenty of other expansion potentials on the horizon with Aberdeen constantly rumoured to be interested, EIHL viable rinks in Blackburn and Newcastle and a new rink in Leeds. I also don't believe London is as dead as may seem.
Import levels won't be increasing. This is the reason they were increased in the first place.
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Post by iginla on Jan 21, 2017 20:42:47 GMT
I'd go for three conferences of four, play four games home away against conference rival two home and away everyone else. This gives you fifty six league games which is not far off what we have now and plenty of local money making trips for everyone. Clan Flyers Caps Stars Panthers Steelers Storm Giants Devils Blaze Lightning Flames Devils and Clan get it a little easier but no system is perfect. Storm have a tough group but will benefit from far more away supporters spending money. The only other EPL side that's even remotely viable is Hull but I think it's a little early in Shane Smith's business plan for that. There are plenty of other expansion potentials on the horizon with Aberdeen constantly rumoured to be interested, EIHL viable rinks in Blackburn and Newcastle and a new rink in Leeds. I also don't believe London is as dead as may seem. Import levels won't be increasing. This is the reason they were increased in the first place. Three conferences works but... Three home and three away against your own conference and two home two away against the other conferences would be fairer. That would give a 50 game season,only two less games than presently. Lose a couple of current doubled up challenge cup/league games and make them stand alone cup games and you can at the stay same number of games as now. Leave out any bumping up conference winners for play offs though and that Panthers/Steelers/Giants conference is too tough/unfair. |
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 21, 2017 22:30:08 GMT
I'd go for the 2x6
Simply think it gives real validity to the comference system with deserved seeds.
Belfast
Cardiff
Braehead
Fife
Edinburgh
Dundee
Nottingham
Sheffield
Coventry
Manchester
Guilford
MK
The only way a straight 12 works is with an extended playoffs. 44 is to little without the extended play offs. The alternative is 66. Obviously too many.
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Post by kezypanther on Jan 21, 2017 22:47:30 GMT
I'd go for the 2x6 Simply think it gives real validity to the comference system with deserved seeds. Belfast Cardiff Braehead Fife Edinburgh Dundee Nottingham Sheffield Coventry Manchester Guilford MK The only way a straight 12 works is with an extended playoffs. 44 is to little without the extended play offs. The alternative is 66. Obviously too many. I actually like the look of that split, don't think Cardiff will like less time with Steelers and Panthers though. Think this is the most equal split too. |
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Post by iginla on Jan 21, 2017 23:08:40 GMT
I'd go for the 2x6 Simply think it gives real validity to the comference system with deserved seeds. Belfast Cardiff Braehead Fife Edinburgh Dundee Nottingham Sheffield Coventry Manchester Guilford MK The only way a straight 12 works is with an extended playoffs. 44 is to little without the extended play offs. The alternative is 66. Obviously too many. I actually like the look of that split, don't think Cardiff will like less time with Steelers and Panthers though. Think this is the most equal split too. That split looks good. 3 home 3 away against your conference 2 home 2 away against other conference That's a 54 game season........SORTED ! |
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Post by pens on Jan 21, 2017 23:24:58 GMT
I'd go for the 2x6 Simply think it gives real validity to the comference system with deserved seeds. Belfast Cardiff Braehead Fife Edinburgh Dundee Nottingham Sheffield Coventry Manchester Guilford MK The only way a straight 12 works is with an extended playoffs. 44 is to little without the extended play offs. The alternative is 66. Obviously too many. If they are gonna do a 6 and 6 split this is by far the most viable conference system. Scottish teams get their extra games, as do panthers and Steelers, and mk and Guildford have a conference which isn't too difficult as other 2x6 options are imo. |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 21, 2017 23:33:13 GMT
Bit harsh to put what would be the 2nd most southerly team in the northern conference.
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Post by iginla on Jan 21, 2017 23:43:30 GMT
Bit harsh to put what would be the 2nd most southerly team in the northern conference. You can't put Cardiff in with Panthers and Steelers though or that conference becomes far stronger and gives Belfast a too easy ride ! |
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Post by Bagheera on Jan 21, 2017 23:52:29 GMT
Bit harsh to put what would be the 2nd most southerly team in the northern conference. Somethings got to give to make the conference system work. Make it a dodgy diagonal and its East & West. Manchester need to be with the south for balance. You could swap Sheffield and Cardiff but we all know that aint happening. |
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Post by spik on Jan 21, 2017 23:52:58 GMT
Bit harsh to put what would be the 2nd most southerly team in the northern conference. THAT is about the only error. But will they go with Manchester in the Northern group? |
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Post by Yotes on Jan 22, 2017 0:35:12 GMT
All true, but one of the points of the conference was to reduce travel costs, making them travel up to Scotland all the time (and more pertinently making the Scottish teams travel down) doesn't really fit into that.
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