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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 16:26:08 GMT
He could be :back against Caps tomorrow, that will be interesting. Caps have conceded 44 goals in their last 6 games - 7.33 per game So if we manage to score the current average against them Green could afford to let 7 in and we'll still win!!
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2017 16:28:38 GMT
He could be back against Caps tomorrow, that will be interesting. Oh lord NO If he is,who will be his back up ! 🤔
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Post by ted logan on Jan 1, 2017 16:35:16 GMT
He could be :back against Caps tomorrow, that will be interesting. Caps have conceded 44 goals in their last 6 games - 7.33 per game So if we manage to score the current average against them Green could afford to let 7 in and we'll still win!! Gulp. Based on his save percentage the other night, they'd only need 18 shots to score 8 goals. Lord help us.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 1, 2017 17:39:38 GMT
Each of the 5 Green let in were slapshot bombs, straight into the top corner. He's what? 34 and hasn't played competitively since Amiens. We cannot expect better from someone who each time plays, concedes in excess of 4 and with that, I won't be moaning about Green's performance. The defence did limit shots but they caused multiple breakaway situations for Blaze and anyone with half a brain knows, you give a team a breakaway against Green, it's going in. 3v3 OT, we messed around with it far too much around our own net, gave Blaze all the momentum and fight to make us pay for messing around and they did make us pay when once again, they got a breakaway. - All that goes without saying anything about the missed opportunities we could've taken to win the game. Moran had a stinker, he's a great player but last night just was not his night. To get a point from the game is not all that bad considering how easy Blaze found it to score once Green took to the net at the midway point. Fingers crossed Pacl and Miika are back for tomorrow vs. Caps, need to start on a big high this new year. Great post... 'won't be moaning about Green performance' but we did well to get a point 'considering how easy Blaze found it to score once Green took to the net'. I think we can expect more when backups in this league are a lot better than what Green has shown for us - Brad Day, Gary Russell, Thomas Murdy & Jackson Whistle show the new standard. They aren't moaning quotes, just factual. If I wanted to moan I'd be calling for the P45. All of those backups have had lots of icetime prior to the EIHL, ensuring their game was on standard before making the move. Green has been backup for his entire career so never has had a great amount of games. Panthers have always been the side which see's bad relationships form with youngsters too, wouldn't say it's Corey's fault but higher up. With what's gone on in the past with Gospel and co. youngsters might see us as their dream team but they always seem to quickly get pushed away from the club once they've fulfilled their short term requirements unfortunately. In recent times anyway.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 1, 2017 18:02:32 GMT
Great post... 'won't be moaning about Green performance' but we did well to get a point 'considering how easy Blaze found it to score once Green took to the net'. I think we can expect more when backups in this league are a lot better than what Green has shown for us - Brad Day, Gary Russell, Thomas Murdy & Jackson Whistle show the new standard. They aren't moaning quotes, just factual. If I wanted to moan I'd be calling for the P45. All of those backups have had lots of icetime prior to the EIHL, ensuring their game was on standard before making the move. Green has been backup for his entire career so never has had a great amount of games. Panthers have always been the side which see's bad relationships form with youngsters too, wouldn't say it's Corey's fault but higher up. With what's gone on in the past with Gospel and co. youngsters might see us as their dream team but they always seem to quickly get pushed away from the club once they've fulfilled their short term requirements unfortunately. In recent times anyway. I don't know about that... Corey and the club as a whole seem to have been keen to promote Brits and have aided the development of some fine players. Corey is also currently standing by players like Steve Lee, signed in his late teens and (in my opinion) Corey has almost blind optimism he'll rediscover his good form last seen around 2013. Betteridge & Lacho are also benefitting from Corey's patience which not many other EIHL coaches would have put up with. The only Brit I can think of that's left under a bit of a cloud (as far as I'm aware anyway) was Swindlehurst? Maybe could add Meyers too but that was a good call to sign Weaver in his place. Others have either moved to clubs they have more affiliation to (Mark Richardson) or just not progressed quick enough (James Neil, Joe Graham, Sam Bullas etc).
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2017 18:03:48 GMT
So which of all these Brits/youngsters that Corey has supposedly mentored have actually stayed at Panthers or turned into good players ?
Clarkey was good before Corey arrived. Myers was also good prior to Corey. Farmer was too. Meyers signed his own P45. Richardson left because he wasn't keen on Corey. They didn't keep Boxill because he wanted a Uni place. Swindlehurst was let go because Corey didn't like his attitude. Lacho impressed and has now gone backwards. Lee came on well then spiralled into average. Levers was let go for certain reasons we best not talk about. Cownie and Hook have disappeared. Greener was always crap and never got any better. Maynard came and went sharpish. Joe Graham did too. Norton was promising but then either left or was let go. Woolhouse was let go. Harper was pushed out by Macaslan because he couldn't stand him. Ferrara disappeared into thin air. Hutchinson didn't last long. James Cooke left. James Neil left too. Oakford did a U turn last minute. Daniel Scott disappeared.
Not the greatest coaching resume is it for somebody credited by some for nurturing good Brits !
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 18:26:23 GMT
Each of the 5 Green let in were slapshot bombs, straight into the top corner. He's what? 34 and hasn't played competitively since Amiens. We cannot expect better from someone who each time plays, concedes in excess of 4 and with that, I won't be moaning about Green's performance. The defence did limit shots but they caused multiple breakaway situations for Blaze and anyone with half a brain knows, you give a team a breakaway against Green, it's going in. 3v3 OT, we messed around with it far too much around our own net, gave Blaze all the momentum and fight to make us pay for messing around and they did make us pay when once again, they got a breakaway. - All that goes without saying anything about the missed opportunities we could've taken to win the game. Moran had a stinker, he's a great player but last night just was not his night. To get a point from the game is not all that bad considering how easy Blaze found it to score once Green took to the net at the midway point. Fingers crossed Pacl and Miika are back for tomorrow vs. Caps, need to start on a big high this new year. Must be a really tough view you have because only one was 'top corner' & that was a clear wrist snipe from Venus, not a 'slapshot bomb' at all. I trust you do know what a 'slapshot bomb'' is....?!?! Genuine question that one.
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Post by shinobi on Jan 1, 2017 19:03:07 GMT
Exactly I actually thought the defence did a good job at limiting the shots. I honestly think Wiikman wouldn't have conceded some of those and would have loved the D to keep him down to 10 shots. Same with Pacl. Yes the D did give up some chances but they kept them to the outside where a goalie should have the angle covered. Not a single blaze player got a chance down the middle. I don't buy the 0 ice time either. There's no way he doesn't face any shots in training and practice with the rest of them. However 11 out of 12 is a damn fine return. If we go and beat edinburgh, then that one dropped point won't seem so frustrating. Very much so; if someone had offered us two wins against Shuff & an OT loss against Cov at the start of the Christmas fixtures, I think most would have been more than happy. Despite the result, I still thought it was an enjoyable game and there were a few floaters that game on our roster...
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 1, 2017 21:01:17 GMT
So which of all these Brits/youngsters that Corey has supposedly mentored have actually stayed at Panthers or turned into good players ? Clarkey was good before Corey arrived. Myers was also good prior to Corey. Farmer was too. Meyers signed his own P45. Richardson left because he wasn't keen on Corey. They didn't keep Boxill because he wanted a Uni place. Swindlehurst was let go because Corey didn't like his attitude. Lacho impressed and has now gone backwards. Lee came on well then spiralled into average. Levers was let go for certain reasons we best not talk about. Cownie and Hook have disappeared. Greener was always crap and never got any better. Maynard came and went sharpish. Joe Graham did too. Norton was promising but then either left or was let go. Woolhouse was let go. Harper was pushed out by Macaslan because he couldn't stand him. Ferrara disappeared into thin air. Hutchinson didn't last long. James Cooke left. James Neil left too. Oakford did a U turn last minute. Daniel Scott disappeared. Not the greatest coaching resume is it for somebody credited by some for nurturing good Brits ! Myers came on leaps and bounds during Corey's early days. He got a shot in the ECHL as a result. Clarke has been a 40 goal/ 80pt scorer. Corey has been very kind to Clarke (I'm not his biggest fan as I think he's very mardy). Richardson was turned from failing centre into a very good D-man by Neilson. Don't know what happened with Boxill but i guess uni deals are above Corey's level. Corey brough Lee in and for years looked like he should be AHL/ECHL. Then he's suffered a few concussions and you can see Lee is now half the player. Don't agree Corey should still ice him so much but go back 5 years and Lee was a genuine rising star. Don't know what happened with Swindlehurst. Lacho has been a star shining bright under Corey. He's also been terrible under CN. In my opinion, Corey takes responsibility for both. Again, don't know what happened with Levers towards then end but he played some of his best hockey when he came back from Belfast under Corey. Cownie & Hook should have been signed up. Cownie has shown some diva tendencies for Braehead though, don't know what happened with Hook at Coventry? Green is a backup, never the best but had good and bad games (mainly bad). Joe Graham didn't cut it. Maynard was punching way above his ability. Norton was alright, but if so good why have no other EIHL clubs picked him up? Woolhouse was alright but never going to be a starter. We chose Green after he had a good season at Steelers. Oakford was coming on well until he chose a different career - that's all I know of him. James Cooke & Daniel Scott were before Corey? May sound like I'm defending Corey - I'm not. But his record with Brits is decent and better than most IMO. There's some Brits who have done well, some who haven't - that happens to every club! There also hasn't been much positive on the Brit front at Panthers for 3 or 4 seasons now, but Corey has developed some good players.
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2017 21:21:30 GMT
The only ones i would credit Corey for are Mark Richardson and to an extent Steve Lee. Then he went and spoiled it and Richie went to Cardiff as he wasn't too happy,but i can't remember why.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 1, 2017 21:31:46 GMT
The only ones i would credit Corey for are Mark Richardson and to an extent Steve Lee. Then he went and spoiled it and Richie went to Cardiff as he wasn't too happy,but i can't remember why. Homesickness was the official reason. Never been overly convinced about that though as he went and played in Europe the season after.
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2017 21:45:41 GMT
The only ones i would credit Corey for are Mark Richardson and to an extent Steve Lee. Then he went and spoiled it and Richie went to Cardiff as he wasn't too happy,but i can't remember why. Homesickness was the official reason. Never been overly convinced about that though as he went and played in Europe the season after. It wasn't homesickness Ted,he went to Khazakstan for a while after he left Panthers. I seem to remember something about him feeling being pushed around and bullied into stuff he wasn't comfortable with.
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Post by Shorty on Jan 1, 2017 23:27:59 GMT
He went too Khazakstan three years after he left us.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 1, 2017 23:29:24 GMT
Actually Mark Richardson played in Cardiff for 3 seasons after leaving us, then went to Kazakhstan for just 1 season. Don't think him going there (or coming back the year after) has anything to do with us at all...
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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 1, 2017 23:57:11 GMT
Each of the 5 Green let in were slapshot bombs, straight into the top corner. He's what? 34 and hasn't played competitively since Amiens. We cannot expect better from someone who each time plays, concedes in excess of 4 and with that, I won't be moaning about Green's performance. Well it was actually 4 he let in. 2 were top corner and both breakaways so I'll let him off for those. However goal 4 for the Blaze (Greens 2nd) was horrific. Beaten low short side and in no way was that a "slapshot bomb". Then the OT winner was a simple wrist shot 5-hole and not a hard shot at all.
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Post by Bolts on Jan 2, 2017 0:01:21 GMT
Why did levers leave?
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 2, 2017 0:03:01 GMT
The only ones i would credit Corey for are Mark Richardson and to an extent Steve Lee. Then he went and spoiled it and Richie went to Cardiff as he wasn't too happy,but i can't remember why. Can you deny Boxill wasn't a great find by Neilson? He had two great years with us - not playing at the same level at Belfast now too. Lacho has been dog-poo for the last few years but he's only ever played under Neilson. Whatever the reason for his evaporating production, Neilson gave everything Lacho has ever needed to make it a success (and it was working for the first 5/6 years).
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2017 0:16:24 GMT
He went too Khazakstan three years after he left us. I know he did,I didn't say he went straight to Khazakstan after Panthers. But for somebody who may have had a propensity to be homesick....that's just about the last place you would go ! 😉
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Post by iginla on Jan 2, 2017 0:23:05 GMT
The only ones i would credit Corey for are Mark Richardson and to an extent Steve Lee. Then he went and spoiled it and Richie went to Cardiff as he wasn't too happy,but i can't remember why. Can you deny Boxill wasn't a great find by Neilson? He had two great years with us - not playing at the same level at Belfast now too. Lacho has been dog-poo for the last few years but he's only ever played under Neilson. Whatever the reason for his evaporating production, Neilson gave everything Lacho has ever needed to make it a success (and it was working for the first 5/6 years). Boxill was a decent find yep,not great but did a job. He was quite good first year,then Corey coached it out if him 😀 Lol
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Post by ted logan on Jan 2, 2017 0:42:09 GMT
He went too Khazakstan three years after he left us. I know he did,I didn't say he went straight to Khazakstan after Panthers. But for somebody who may have had a propensity to be homesick....that's just about the last place you would go ! 😉 Exactly. Something has never quite stacked up over this. Leave Nottingham to go to Cardiff as he's homesick apparently. Then go to Kazakhstan? Either he misled the club over the whole missing mummy bit or Panthers covered something up by saying he was homesick for Swindon!
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 2, 2017 1:17:14 GMT
Why all the conspiracy theories?
He started in the EIHL in Cardiff for 2 years, then came to us for 2 years... then back to Cardiff for 3 years, Kazakhstan for 1 year (and not even a full year at that), then back to Cardiff for another 4 years so far.
What doesn't add up about that? It seems fairly obvious to me that - for whatever reason(s) - Cardiff is his number one choice, simple as that. I don't think we need to be going looking for things that probably aren't even there...
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Post by tootootrain on Jan 2, 2017 10:24:57 GMT
First home game I've missed in a while and Panthers lose.
My 100% record for games attended this season/those Panthers have won, is still intact...
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Post by bobness on Jan 2, 2017 10:33:12 GMT
Let's hope you're going today then... If we win, it'll be 11 from 12 points since 23 December, which surely no-one can complain at?
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Post by moz on Jan 2, 2017 10:35:40 GMT
First home game I've missed in a while and Panthers lose. My 100% record for games attended this season/those Panthers have won, is still intact... so it's all your fault then not Green's
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 2, 2017 10:37:32 GMT
Let's hope you're going today then... If we win, it'll be 11 from 12 points since 23 December, which surely no-one can complain at? Don't be silly... we could have got 12 points out of 12 and there'd still be complaints...
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