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Post by kievthegreat on Jan 1, 2017 2:21:23 GMT
Panthers look at times like then did a few week ago, Panther players look like the were singing from different hymn sheets especially in transition. the D let Green down allowing to many shot to get through, how long is it since Green played in a competitive game, having said all that Panthers scored 5 goals passed one of the best keepers in the league Can't remember see big E in the 3rd? ?? 10 shots in half a game plus overtime. That's pretty good in my books. Especially as only a few of those were actually in a place where you'd expect a goalie to be beaten.
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Post by wgray on Jan 1, 2017 2:43:44 GMT
Panthers look at times like then did a few week ago, Panther players look like the were singing from different hymn sheets especially in transition. the D let Green down allowing to many shot to get through, how long is it since Green played in a competitive game, having said all that Panthers scored 5 goals passed one of the best keepers in the league Can't remember see big E in the 3rd? ?? 10 shots in half a game plus overtime. That's pretty good in my books. Especially as only a few of those were actually in a place where you'd expect a goalie to be beaten. I agree, 10 shots for the period of time he was in net was good, he was poor, simple as
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Post by Pies on Jan 1, 2017 8:51:34 GMT
Exactly I actually thought the defence did a good job at limiting the shots. I honestly think Wiikman wouldn't have conceded some of those and would have loved the D to keep him down to 10 shots. Same with Pacl. Yes the D did give up some chances but they kept them to the outside where a goalie should have the angle covered. Not a single blaze player got a chance down the middle.
I don't buy the 0 ice time either. There's no way he doesn't face any shots in training and practice with the rest of them.
However 11 out of 12 is a damn fine return. If we go and beat edinburgh, then that one dropped point won't seem so frustrating.
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2017 10:49:10 GMT
Exactly I actually thought the defence did a good job at limiting the shots. I honestly think Wiikman wouldn't have conceded some of those and would have loved the D to keep him down to 10 shots. Same with Pacl. Yes the D did give up some chances but they kept them to the outside where a goalie should have the angle covered. Not a single blaze player got a chance down the middle. I don't buy the 0 ice time either. There's no way he doesn't face any shots in training and practice with the rest of them. However 11 out of 12 is a damn fine return. If we go and beat edinburgh, then that one dropped point won't seem so frustrating. Spot on. Only ten shots in half a game was great work by the defence,I don't think Geeen actually made a single proper save did he ? Ten shots.....with six straight into his chest where he didn't even have to move and the other four went past him into the net ! As for Brad Moran. Marginally better than Green but....oh dear,how many gilt edged chances do you want man !!!!
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Post by Ghost on Jan 1, 2017 11:11:22 GMT
Exactly I actually thought the defence did a good job at limiting the shots. I honestly think Wiikman wouldn't have conceded some of those and would have loved the D to keep him down to 10 shots. Same with Pacl. Yes the D did give up some chances but they kept them to the outside where a goalie should have the angle covered. Not a single blaze player got a chance down the middle. I don't buy the 0 ice time either. There's no way he doesn't face any shots in training and practice with the rest of them. However 11 out of 12 is a damn fine return. If we go and beat edinburgh, then that one dropped point won't seem so frustrating. Spot on. Only ten shots in half a game was great work by the defence,I don't think Geeen actually made a single proper save did he ? Ten shots.....with six straight into his chest where he didn't even have to move and the other four went past him into the net ! As for Brad Moran. Marginally better than Green but....oh dear,how many gilt edged chances do you want man !!!! I've been saying for ages Moran is pants but no one listens! He can't even do the simple things i.e. control a pass. It takes him 2-3 attempts to control the puck each time!
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Post by ted logan on Jan 1, 2017 11:34:27 GMT
Exactly I actually thought the defence did a good job at limiting the shots. I honestly think Wiikman wouldn't have conceded some of those and would have loved the D to keep him down to 10 shots. Same with Pacl. Yes the D did give up some chances but they kept them to the outside where a goalie should have the angle covered. Not a single blaze player got a chance down the middle. I don't buy the 0 ice time either. There's no way he doesn't face any shots in training and practice with the rest of them. However 11 out of 12 is a damn fine return. If we go and beat edinburgh, then that one dropped point won't seem so frustrating. Spot on. Only ten shots in half a game was great work by the defence,I don't think Geeen actually made a single proper save did he ? Ten shots.....with six straight into his chest where he didn't even have to move and the other four went past him into the net ! The first shot he saved hit him on the head, he saved one from well inside the blaze half and 3-4 straight at him. Anything that involved moving and/or reflexes he let in. He was woeful, he cost us the game. Ten shots in half a game represents a top effort from the D. They just had a sieve behind them.
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Post by Shaggy on Jan 1, 2017 12:03:41 GMT
A lot of people seem to have a massive blind spot when it comes to this whole Dan Green business... you get what you wish for.
- "Don't play Greener". So they don't. Result - he's not game-sharp (practice doesn't even come close to proper game time).
- "The Panthers are short-changing us with a Brit back-up... bring in an import!". So they do. Result - Greener gets even less game-time than before.
- "Why don't we use a young lower-league British goalie as backup?". Why would any young British goalie with any potential for bettering himself want to take third slot behind two import goalies and see little or no ice time? Goalies want to play, just as much as other hockey players do. Better to be between the pipes in a lower league than up in the stands in a higher league.
Backup netminder is the most thankless position in a hockey team. He stands on the bench, knowing that all the gobby know-it-alls are slagging him off as being not good enough, and is expected at zero notice to suddenly step in when things are already bad and to operate at 100%, no excuses. All of this knowing that he's not as good as the starter, but if he doesn't perform as well as the starter then he's going to get slagged off even more.
You want a good British backup? (or third goalie!) - you have to play him. Regularly. You can't have 2 import goalies AND a good, on-form British backup. It's just not going to happen - that's reality for you. We got unlucky yesterday... Wiikman ill and then Pacl injured. Stuff happens - it's called life, better get used to it.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 1, 2017 12:07:31 GMT
Not often said this this season, the defence were brilliant. It became obvious that every Blaze shot had a serious chance of going in, and our defence (and forwards) played out their skin to limit the shots on goal.
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Post by fishman on Jan 1, 2017 12:15:36 GMT
Ive seen Wiiken & Pacl let in shoots that I could have saved
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Post by Shorty on Jan 1, 2017 12:39:14 GMT
Ive seen Wiiken & Pacl let in shoots that I could have saved Perhaps you should replace Dan Green then.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 12:48:32 GMT
Ive seen Wiiken & Pacl let in shoots that I could have saved What are you like with a clipboard?
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Post by ted logan on Jan 1, 2017 12:49:10 GMT
A lot of people seem to have a massive blind spot when it comes to this whole Dan Green business... you get what you wish for. - "Don't play Greener". So they don't. Result - he's not game-sharp (practice doesn't even come close to proper game time). - "The Panthers are short-changing us with a Brit back-up... bring in an import!". So they do. Result - Greener gets even less game-time than before. - "Why don't we use a young lower-league British goalie as backup?". Why would any young British goalie with any potential for bettering himself want to take third slot behind two import goalies and see little or no ice time? Goalies want to play, just as much as other hockey players do. Better to be between the pipes in a lower league than up in the stands in a higher league. Backup netminder is the most thankless position in a hockey team. He stands on the bench, knowing that all the gobby know-it-alls are slagging him off as being not good enough, and is expected at zero notice to suddenly step in when things are already bad and to operate at 100%, no excuses. All of this knowing that he's not as good as the starter, but if he doesn't perform as well as the starter then he's going to get slagged off even more. You want a good British backup? (or third goalie!) - you have to play him. Regularly. You can't have 2 import goalies AND a good, on-form British backup. It's just not going to happen - that's reality for you. We got unlucky yesterday... Wiikman ill and then Pacl injured. Stuff happens - it's called life, better get used to it. Would've been a better post had you not referred to people who have a different opinion to you as 'gobby know-it-alls'. No need really.
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Post by Dharcy on Jan 1, 2017 13:08:04 GMT
Thought it was a scrappy game that largely played into Coventry's hands. Felt a bit sorry for Dan Green, he was bloody awful but he shouldn't be there and if the team in front of him had put away half their missed chances it would've been game over. We got stuck in our own zone for long periods, and when we broke out we quickly lost the puck and had to start again, lots of poor passing and turnovers. Lacho and Lee continue to frustrate. Poor control, missed passes and little contribution., playing as if waiting for the next big hit or comfortable in the knowledge that British players are at premium so it's jobs for the boys. Couldn't agree more. Yes, there were brilliant play at times, but D was more abysmal than those. Moran looked like he couldn't get basic skills, e.g. controlling the puck & passing, right. And Lee...sigh. Ah well, 11/12. It was indeed a game of unfortunate incidents, to say the least.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2017 13:14:21 GMT
Green isn't a back-up, he's a dire emergency netminder and CN knows this and that's why we have 2 import netminders. Last night was a bit unusual as our number one was ill and number two got injured and we still managed a point. Green doesn't need another second of ice time as with him on the ice we could be 8-0 up and still lose against a good team even with a few minutes left in the game. CN knows this, the vast majority of the crowd knows this and Dan knows this himself. Fingers crossed we get one of our proper starting netminders back by tomorrow.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 1, 2017 13:14:50 GMT
Each of the 5 Green let in were slapshot bombs, straight into the top corner. He's what? 34 and hasn't played competitively since Amiens. We cannot expect better from someone who each time plays, concedes in excess of 4 and with that, I won't be moaning about Green's performance.
The defence did limit shots but they caused multiple breakaway situations for Blaze and anyone with half a brain knows, you give a team a breakaway against Green, it's going in.
3v3 OT, we messed around with it far too much around our own net, gave Blaze all the momentum and fight to make us pay for messing around and they did make us pay when once again, they got a breakaway.
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All that goes without saying anything about the missed opportunities we could've taken to win the game. Moran had a stinker, he's a great player but last night just was not his night.
To get a point from the game is not all that bad considering how easy Blaze found it to score once Green took to the net at the midway point.
Fingers crossed Pacl and Miika are back for tomorrow vs. Caps, need to start on a big high this new year.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 1, 2017 13:20:53 GMT
Each of the 5 Green let in were slapshot bombs, straight into the top corner ?? Watch the highlights when they're up pantherb. You're a bit inaccurate there.
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Post by PantherB on Jan 1, 2017 13:25:21 GMT
Each of the 5 Green let in were slapshot bombs, straight into the top corner ?? Watch the highlights when they're up pantherb. You're a bit inaccurate there. I was at the opposite end of the ice to Green but did see the top corner of the net ripple quite a few times, maybe not slapshots but shots you could say before they were taken that they'd beat Green.
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Post by ted logan on Jan 1, 2017 13:44:16 GMT
?? Watch the highlights when they're up pantherb. You're a bit inaccurate there. I was at the opposite end of the ice to Green but did see the top corner of the net ripple quite a few times, maybe not slapshots but shots you could say before they were taken that they'd beat Green. He just never looked set to me. He wasn't screened on any of the goals, he had a good look at all of them. Any shot across him beat him, especially glove side but also blocker side to a lesser extent. The second he let in looked low and very soft. He was terrible. Yes he's a nice bloke no doubt but so is my neighbour Archie but I don't want him in goal either.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Jan 1, 2017 13:49:35 GMT
?? Watch the highlights when they're up pantherb. You're a bit inaccurate there. I was at the opposite end of the ice to Green but did see the top corner of the net ripple quite a few times, maybe not slapshots but shots you could say before they were taken that they'd beat Green. You could tell he was going to get beaten the moment he stepped onto the ice.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2017 14:06:17 GMT
Wasn't there and I'm glad as soon as Green plays the games normally end up a farce. He's utter garbage end of. I'm highly delighted the forwards bailed him out and got a point out of the game.
He shouldn't be at the club... he's stealing a wage and taking the job from a young prospect
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Jan 1, 2017 14:16:50 GMT
Each of the 5 Green let in were slapshot bombs, straight into the top corner. He's what? 34 and hasn't played competitively since Amiens. We cannot expect better from someone who each time plays, concedes in excess of 4 and with that, I won't be moaning about Green's performance. The defence did limit shots but they caused multiple breakaway situations for Blaze and anyone with half a brain knows, you give a team a breakaway against Green, it's going in. 3v3 OT, we messed around with it far too much around our own net, gave Blaze all the momentum and fight to make us pay for messing around and they did make us pay when once again, they got a breakaway. - All that goes without saying anything about the missed opportunities we could've taken to win the game. Moran had a stinker, he's a great player but last night just was not his night. To get a point from the game is not all that bad considering how easy Blaze found it to score once Green took to the net at the midway point. Fingers crossed Pacl and Miika are back for tomorrow vs. Caps, need to start on a big high this new year. Great post... 'won't be moaning about Green performance' but we did well to get a point 'considering how easy Blaze found it to score once Green took to the net'. I think we can expect more when backups in this league are a lot better than what Green has shown for us - Brad Day, Gary Russell, Thomas Murdy & Jackson Whistle show the new standard.
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Post by Higgy on Jan 1, 2017 14:22:41 GMT
Green may have had a better chance if Farmer didn't pass straight to a Blaze player who promptly scored and if we didn't let 2 odd man rushes happen in front of him...which again resulted in goals.
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Post by fishman on Jan 1, 2017 14:43:18 GMT
Green is not the backup keeper, He's the back to the back in other words 3rd choice, as the previous post says making it easier for the opposition to score doesn't help
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Post by iginla on Jan 1, 2017 14:59:13 GMT
With respect. You could have put a fan with very bad eyesight in goal and if you think about it....it wouldn't have made any difference. Those six shots would have still hit him and the other four would still have hit the back of the net.
Surely,even a back up to the back up should have done better than Greeny did yesterday !
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Post by fishman on Jan 1, 2017 15:42:13 GMT
He could be back against Caps tomorrow, that will be interesting.
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