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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 13:54:12 GMT
But if he's happy doing that what's the problem? Yes you can say it's wasted talent, but if doing it his way makes him happy who are you or I to say he's doing life wrong? He may be happy and I'm nobody to tell him what he should have done. But I bet he has moments where he regrets not working harder or getting in that car and effectively ending his hockey career on a low ! Maybe he doesn't have regrets, maybe he just had a great time doing something he loved. As I've stated if I was involved in the club in some way I would change a lot (including the culture), but as a fan I just want to watch ice hockey. If they win great. If they don't oh well, it happens.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 13:59:16 GMT
The massaging of attendance figures is the minor issue, especially for a midweek game, when the footballs on, so close to Christmas and not on the season ticket. Bigger issues include general running of the club (they need more employees with defined roles and then people given freedom within those roles) and social media presence would be my 2 biggest issues currently. Then when they are in order you move onto things like match night experience, fan interaction etc. As I have stated elsewhere on this thread if I was in any position of power I would change a lot, but as a fan (which is what I am) I just want to go and watch ice hockey not worry or read about trivial things such as the massaging of attendance figures. Can we move on from the 'massaging bit', I think that we've covered this and I've clarified my thoughts on it more than once. Anyhoo, I'd agree with your other points. There are many issues with the club and how it's run. Many people feel the same I'm sure. Don't forget the Supporters Trust has been set up and has another meeting early Jan. It's not a closed group, all welcome. Whilst I wish the Supporters Trust all the luck with whatever it is they are trying to achieve, I don't think it's for me. If they can influence postive things within the organisation somehow though all power to them.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2016 15:23:46 GMT
On lasts nights numbers that isn't just a massage that's a happy ending too!
If he could actually do his job (which he can't) there would have been a lot more people there last night. An owner who has only one interest, a back office that just churns out rubbish for the sheep and a team that under achieves on a level that makes Eddie the Eagle an Olympic champion.
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Post by wgray on Dec 15, 2016 16:04:10 GMT
Anyone who was at the game fancy telling me how we played?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2016 16:07:21 GMT
Anyone who was at the game fancy telling me how we played? We played ok but the Clan were truly dreadful so the defence really wasn't tested to be honest.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2016 16:11:00 GMT
Anyone who was at the game fancy telling me how we played? Just to qualify that, Lee absolutely stank and to be fair the Clan made us look good most of the time. The Clan look a very cheap team and I have no idea how they are keeping the crowd numbers up.
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Post by titch on Dec 15, 2016 16:17:33 GMT
Anyone who was at the game fancy telling me how we played? Decent performance. Stand out player was obviously #9, you can see how much effort he puts in to do his best, some cracking goals by him. I thought Spang had a good performance, considering this guy spent most of his night on the ice without break, he deserves a bit more support from our fans. Miika had a good game as well, a save towards the end of the match would have been a goal 99% of the time and got a standing ovation and chants from the fans close to the goal. Some risky plays that would have been punished by a Sheffield or Cardiff but this was mostly due to how slow Braehead was playing. In all fairness, last nights Braehead are one of the worse teams I've seen in recent times - it almost felt as if they had given up the second they stepped on the ice. Frustrated Braehead coach didn't help his players at all but spent most of the time whining. As for the attendance - it was really low but from what I'm told, there was a lot of ST holders who paid for their seats but didn't turn up to the match - rather than any 'inflated ego' by the GM. I'm not GM's biggest fan at all but attendance isn't about how many seats are sat in but the tickets that have been issued / sold.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 15, 2016 16:54:14 GMT
Anyone who was at the game fancy telling me how we played? We played ok but the Clan were truly dreadful so the defence really wasn't tested to be honest. Just about sums it up, there really was only one team in it, Clan did not look a threat at any time, and as someone said they looked like they had given up before they even took to the ice - a few (not many) positives from the game, judging by the "SOG" we look like we have found roughly where the net is, should have scored a lot more though, short defence did a reasonable job, shame about their goal, not deserved, when it looked like we may have been under a bit of pressure our players seemed to step up their game a bit. All in all a bit of a mundane game played by two average teams, with one a bit better than the other. - Just glad I do not have to watch Clan every week, how has Finnicky kept his job with a team like that??
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 15, 2016 17:21:08 GMT
Can we move on from the 'massaging bit', I think that we've covered this and I've clarified my thoughts on it more than once. Anyhoo, I'd agree with your other points. There are many issues with the club and how it's run. Many people feel the same I'm sure. Don't forget the Supporters Trust has been set up and has another meeting early Jan. It's not a closed group, all welcome. Whilst I wish the Supporters Trust all the luck with whatever it is they are trying to achieve, I don't think it's for me. If they can influence postive things within the organisation somehow though all power to them. This one in particular is a worrying read for the Supporters Trust. A well reasoned sensible poster who has identified core problems himself at the club has not even clicked on the Supporters Trust thread. Just shows the amount of work we have to do to get the message through to the wider fan base.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 15, 2016 17:31:46 GMT
We played ok but the Clan were truly dreadful so the defence really wasn't tested to be honest. Just about sums it up, there really was only one team in it, Clan did not look a threat at any time, and as someone said they looked like they had given up before they even took to the ice - a few (not many) positives from the game, judging by the "SOG" we look like we have found roughly where the net is, should have scored a lot more though, short defence did a reasonable job, shame about their goal, not deserved, when it looked like we may have been under a bit of pressure our players seemed to step up their game a bit. All in all a bit of a mundane game played by two average teams, with one a bit better than the other. - Just glad I do not have to watch Clan every week, how has Finnicky kept his job with a team like that?? Not sure how their netminder has kept his job and whoever signed him must have done it for a bet or something
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Post by Higgy on Dec 15, 2016 17:39:51 GMT
Plenty of teams will include all tickets sold, or count all season ticket holders as in attendance, but boosting by ~50% like some are suggesting? No that's not normal. At least it's not always a number related to the MotM anymore. As an off the wall example the Washington Wizards in the NBA regularly inflate their attendance figures by 4 to 5,000 (gets reported as 12,000 due to amount of seaosn tickets sold and presuming they are there when it's actually around 7 to 8,000 physically there on a given night). The arena they play out of is bigger than the Motorpoint yes, but still delivers a bit of perspective. I went to a Wizards game a few years ago and in the 19,000 seat arena there must only have been about 5-6000
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 19:06:50 GMT
Whilst I wish the Supporters Trust all the luck with whatever it is they are trying to achieve, I don't think it's for me. If they can influence postive things within the organisation somehow though all power to them. This one in particular is a worrying read for the Supporters Trust. A well reasoned sensible poster who has identified core problems himself at the club has not even clicked on the Supporters Trust thread. Just shows the amount of work we have to do to get the message through to the wider fan base. Just to point out that this well reasoned & sensible poster is currently in a fit state of mind to appear as described. However, If you put an object of the female variety within 10 feet of him he will go to into a quivering jelly, forget that play-off weekends span two days & display the general intelligence of a mildly depressed hamster trapped in a small brown paper bag.
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Post by Discoray on Dec 15, 2016 22:23:34 GMT
I have no idea how they are keeping the crowd numbers up. It's not going to last very long based on the mummers I've been hearing from taking to other fans, both sets seem as fed up for virtually the same reasons.
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2016 22:44:37 GMT
I have no idea how they are keeping the crowd numbers up. It's not going to last very long based on the mummers I've been hearing from taking to other fans, both sets seem as fed up for virtually the same reasons. Perhaps there's a common denominator with the two clubs here. Can anybody think what it is !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 5:54:19 GMT
At the end of the day. The ST will have to communicate with GM and work with him and sometimes suggest better ideas than him and he will have to accept it. That's where unfortunately this will fall through
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 16, 2016 7:46:09 GMT
At the end of the day. The ST will have to communicate with GM and work with him and sometimes suggest better ideas than him and he will have to accept it. That's where unfortunately this will fall through If the Supporters Trust is doomed to total failure you'd better crack on with your protest....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 8:41:42 GMT
At the end of the day. The ST will have to communicate with GM and work with him and sometimes suggest better ideas than him and he will have to accept it. That's where unfortunately this will fall through If the Supporters Trust is doomed to total failure you'd better crack on with your protest.... Protest against this club.. nah they ain't worth it. I'm past caring and have lost interest... more important things to concern myself these days
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 16, 2016 8:47:41 GMT
If the Supporters Trust is doomed to total failure you'd better crack on with your protest.... Protest against this club.. nah they ain't worth it. I'm past caring and have lost interest... more important things to concern myself these days Yep. Obviously not bothered at all.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 16, 2016 9:05:20 GMT
Protest against this club.. nah they ain't worth it. I'm past caring and have lost interest... more important things to concern myself these days Have you developed a passion for tennis?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 9:29:50 GMT
Whilst I wish the Supporters Trust all the luck with whatever it is they are trying to achieve, I don't think it's for me. If they can influence postive things within the organisation somehow though all power to them. This one in particular is a worrying read for the Supporters Trust. A well reasoned sensible poster who has identified core problems himself at the club has not even clicked on the Supporters Trust thread. Just shows the amount of work we have to do to get the message through to the wider fan base. A) If I'm honest I'm not entirely sure of what a Supporters Trust is despite multiple searches into Google. B) I have clicked on the Supporters Trust Thread, having been through all 4 pages I still don't think it's evidently clear what the overall intention of it all is. I've also been on the Twitter feed and the 2 items in the bio are quite vague in my opinion so doesn't help with the first sentence of this point. C) Just because it's not something I don't want to get involved in doesn't mean I'm wrong, some people (like me) just want to go and watch hockey and not get embroiled with the internal politics of it all. As I've said I wish you nothing but the best of luck with what you want to achieve, whatever that may be, it's just not for me.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 16, 2016 9:38:12 GMT
This one in particular is a worrying read for the Supporters Trust. A well reasoned sensible poster who has identified core problems himself at the club has not even clicked on the Supporters Trust thread. Just shows the amount of work we have to do to get the message through to the wider fan base. A) If I'm honest I'm not entirely sure of what a Supporters Trust is despite multiple searches into Google. B) I have clicked on the Supporters Trust Thread, having been through all 4 pages I still don't think it's evidently clear what the overall intention of it all is. I've also been on the Twitter feed and the 2 items in the bio are quite vague in my opinion so doesn't help with the first sentence of this point. C) Just because it's not something I don't want to get involved in doesn't mean I'm wrong, some people (like me) just want to go and watch hockey and not get embroiled with the internal politics of it all. As I've said I wish you nothing but the best of luck with what you want to achieve, whatever that may be, it's just not for me. I never said you were wrong... I do find it hard to believe that if you have gone to that effort you still don't get what it is. You can't teach those that don't want to listen I guess.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 9:40:36 GMT
This one in particular is a worrying read for the Supporters Trust. A well reasoned sensible poster who has identified core problems himself at the club has not even clicked on the Supporters Trust thread. Just shows the amount of work we have to do to get the message through to the wider fan base. Just to point out that this well reasoned & sensible poster is currently in a fit state of mind to appear as described. However, If you put an object of the female variety within 10 feet of him he will go to into a quivering jelly, forget that play-off weekends span two days & display the general intelligence of a mildly depressed hamster trapped in a small brown paper bag. May have something to tell you about the next game you come to...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 10:14:46 GMT
A) If I'm honest I'm not entirely sure of what a Supporters Trust is despite multiple searches into Google. B) I have clicked on the Supporters Trust Thread, having been through all 4 pages I still don't think it's evidently clear what the overall intention of it all is. I've also been on the Twitter feed and the 2 items in the bio are quite vague in my opinion so doesn't help with the first sentence of this point. C) Just because it's not something I don't want to get involved in doesn't mean I'm wrong, some people (like me) just want to go and watch hockey and not get embroiled with the internal politics of it all. As I've said I wish you nothing but the best of luck with what you want to achieve, whatever that may be, it's just not for me. I never said you were wrong... I do find it hard to believe that if you have gone to that effort you still don't get what it is. You can't teach those that don't want to listen I guess. This is the simplest definition of Suppoters Trust I have found: ''In British sports, a supporters' trust is a formal, democratic and not-for-profit organisation of fans who attempt to strengthen the influence of supporters over the running of the club they support.'' Now if that is accurate, I don't think Supporters should be running teams per say as they tend to make emotional decisions over more well reasoned rational decisions that a normal business person or non-supporter would make (see Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys as an example). Also, from the Twiter bio: 1.1 To be a unified voice for the fans - Not all fans think the same, never will. This is impossible. 1.2 To promote closer ties between the club and its supporters through regular dialogue - What does this mean? What is it exactly you are wanting to know from the club? It's vague and I've not seen it explained in greater detail elsewhere. Maybe it was explained at one of the meetings but people shouldn't have to attend them to find this information. I do wish you luck (as previously stated). The way you begin to fix what is broken here is internally, GM wears far to many hats and there aren't enough employees. You need to have various departments (marketing, finance, business development, merchandising etc.) and begin to run the organisation more profesionally (employ an actual GM who is hockey based to recruit the team and he can then employ the coach he want's to coach it). You need hockey people making hockey decisions and non-hockey people making non-hockey decsions (obviously being somewhat affiliated with the club or having an understanding of the game helps here as you understand the marketplace). If that is the kind of change you think you can inspire godspeed to you. Also your last sentence will turn people with the viewpoint I do completely off to your cause. You had a chance to educate and you chose not to do so.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 16, 2016 10:24:05 GMT
I never said you were wrong... I do find it hard to believe that if you have gone to that effort you still don't get what it is. You can't teach those that don't want to listen I guess. This is the simplest definition of Suppoters Trust I have found: ''In British sports, a supporters' trust is a formal, democratic and not-for-profit organisation of fans who attempt to strengthen the influence of supporters over the running of the club they support.'' Now if that is accurate, I don't think Supporters should be running teams per say as they tend to make emotional decisions over more well reasoned rational decisions that a normal business person or non-supporter would make (see Jerry Jones of the Dallas Cowboys as an example). Also, from the Twiter bio: 1.1 To be a unified voice for the fans - Not all fans think the same, never will. This is impossible. 1.2 To promote closer ties between the club and its supporters through regular dialogue - What does this mean? What is it exactly you are wanting to know from the club? It's vague and I've not seen it explained in greater detail elsewhere. Maybe it was explained at one of the meetings but people shouldn't have to attend them to find this information. I do wish you luck (as previously stated). The way you begin to fix what is broken here is internally, GM wears far to many hats and there aren't enough employees. You need to have various departments (marketing, finance, business development, merchandising etc.) and begin to run the organisation more profesionally (employ an actual GM who is hockey based to recruit the team and he can then employ the coach he want's to coach it). You need hockey people making hockey decisions and non-hockey people making non-hockey decsions (obviously being somewhat affiliated with the club or having an understanding of the game helps here as you understand the marketplace). If that is the kind of change you think you can inspire godspeed to you. Also your last sentence will turn people with the viewpoint I do completely off to your cause. You had a chance to educate and you chose not to do so. I chose not to? I've been spending hours and hours trying. I've lost count of the amount of times i've typed please do feel free to give me a call or text with any questions. We have a website going live today which has an extensive FAQ section. We're distributing up to 6000 leaflets this Sunday and on the 27th of December with questions answered on one side and promoting the next meeting on the other. We have an article going into the Nottingham Evening Post soon to help people understand what we are trying to achieve. If we don't try nothing will change. I'm not happy with the way the club is run so im trying to work with the club to improve things for all fans. The only way the trust will fail would be through a crushing weight of closed minds and fan apathy. As always please feel free to give me a call, text, meet me at a game, come to a meeting, to find out how you can help to improve our club for us all. Cheers Rob 07974 330553
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Post by iginla on Dec 16, 2016 11:09:40 GMT
A) If I'm honest I'm not entirely sure of what a Supporters Trust is despite multiple searches into Google. B) I have clicked on the Supporters Trust Thread, having been through all 4 pages I still don't think it's evidently clear what the overall intention of it all is. I've also been on the Twitter feed and the 2 items in the bio are quite vague in my opinion so doesn't help with the first sentence of this point. C) Just because it's not something I don't want to get involved in doesn't mean I'm wrong, some people (like me) just want to go and watch hockey and not get embroiled with the internal politics of it all. As I've said I wish you nothing but the best of luck with what you want to achieve, whatever that may be, it's just not for me. I never said you were wrong... I do find it hard to believe that if you have gone to that effort you still don't get what it is. You can't teach those that don't want to listen I guess. Think you are being a bit harsh here NYR. We don't need to know the full in and outs of what the trust is,but it's a good thing and it's a start. As I see it.its a reasoned voice for the fans which will hopefully engage the club into doing more towards what the fans want to see and hear. Yes it's similar to a supporters club I guess,but it carries more weight and is more likely to be listened to by the club management. I don't really see how any fan wouldn't want to get behind it really,especially anybody who wants to see change. It certainly seems there are a lot of people who want that change,including you NYR. Put it this way,Todd Kelman likes the idea and I don't think there's a single Panthers fan around who doesn't admire and support what he brings to the EIHL table.
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