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Post by panthersnation on Dec 14, 2016 23:06:24 GMT
Just got home from the match. What a boring game. Feel for miika losing his S.O so late in the match. Thought spang had a decent performance tonight. As for the crowd that was the lowest Iv seen it for years at a home match, disappointing but no a huge surprise. No doubt the nep report will add 1000 for the total. Bring on be steelers.
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Post by Higgy on Dec 14, 2016 23:24:19 GMT
I just couldn't be bothered to go tonight,this season has demoralised me so much I've missed the last two games not on the season ticket. That would have been unheard of a few seasons ago for me.
Glad we won though,at least we aren't the worst team in the league this season!
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Post by wgray on Dec 14, 2016 23:24:41 GMT
Good win and good to only concede 1 with so many D men missing. Been told about 1700 at the game. Hope we can give the Steelers a better game in the semi's. 2874 is the official attendance according to the EIHL website
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Post by iginla on Dec 14, 2016 23:31:36 GMT
Good win and good to only concede 1 with so many D men missing. Been told about 1700 at the game. Hope we can give the Steelers a better game in the semi's. 2874 is the official attendance according to the EIHL website And anybody who believes that figure of 2874 better go down the bottom of their garden and see if they can find any fairies. There were 2000 maximum and 300 of those were freebies !
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Post by adeyfanstill on Dec 14, 2016 23:31:39 GMT
Attendances are all relative - 1,246 at Ice Sheffield, 2,874 at Nottingham. Even allowing for 'freebies', that is still a big difference
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 14, 2016 23:35:10 GMT
Good win and good to only concede 1 with so many D men missing. Been told about 1700 at the game. Hope we can give the Steelers a better game in the semi's. 2874 is the official attendance according to the EIHL website GM thinks of himself as being x1000 fans (in mind and body)
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 14, 2016 23:37:14 GMT
Good win and good to only concede 1 with so many D men missing. Been told about 1700 at the game. Hope we can give the Steelers a better game in the semi's. 2874 is the official attendance according to the EIHL website 2874 lol. Half the people there tonight worked there. Captain BS and the Panthers "spokeswoman" need to take their shoes and socks off next time if they need help counting.
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Post by iginla on Dec 14, 2016 23:54:26 GMT
Attendances are all relative - 1,246 at Ice Sheffield, 2,874 at Nottingham. Even allowing for 'freebies', that is still a big difference But there wern't 2874 in Nottingham tonight. The only "relative" difference is one team gives their true crowd and the other tells lies to make themselves seem bigger than they are ! Lol
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Post by Shorty on Dec 15, 2016 7:17:52 GMT
If they inflate attendances, won't that have to be reflected in ticket sales in the accounts, leading to a higher tax charge?
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 15, 2016 7:49:48 GMT
If they inflate attendances, won't that have to be reflected in ticket sales in the accounts, leading to a higher tax charge? I guess they can show as many as they want (to a sensible level) as freebies when it comes to the tax man. 2 people who work at the arena and a good mate who was at the game all said the crowd was around 1700.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 15, 2016 8:03:23 GMT
i guess the team must be doing ok when all the comments are about the size of the crowd. Sounds like we played well.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 15, 2016 8:07:46 GMT
i guess the team must be doing ok when all the comments are about the size of the crowd. Sounds like we played well. Yeah we're doing great... You're going to get remarks about the crowd size when it was possibly the smallest one seen in the last 15 years.
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Post by thebestpanthers on Dec 15, 2016 9:27:59 GMT
i guess the team must be doing ok when all the comments are about the size of the crowd. Sounds like we played well. Yeah we're doing great... You're going to get remarks about the crowd size when it was possibly the smallest one seen in the last 15 years. Forest had their lowest gate for a number of years, County are regularly getting poor attendances, Notts Rugby are just about breaking even, so we are not alone. Seems like fans are beginning to realise that they do not have to accept dross and vote with their wallets, there will still be a few who will attend no matter what, and lets face it we could be supporting the Clan, which IMO are the worst team (apart from us) that I have seen this season.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 15, 2016 9:36:17 GMT
This is one of the things that winds people up about GM. Why massage the figures like this? Just man up, accept that you're making mistakes, put your ego to one side and listen to other people and other points of view.
The mans an idiot and a liability.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 10:16:55 GMT
This is one of the things that winds people up about GM. Why massage the figures like this? Just man up, accept that you're making mistakes, put your ego to one side and listen to other people and other points of view. The mans an idiot and a liability. Teams do this in all sports, a lot. Non-issue.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 15, 2016 10:20:26 GMT
This is one of the things that winds people up about GM. Why massage the figures like this? Just man up, accept that you're making mistakes, put your ego to one side and listen to other people and other points of view. The mans an idiot and a liability. Teams do this in all sports, a lot. Non-issue. Yep, It's all fine, it's all fine. La La La La La
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 10:21:27 GMT
Teams do this in all sports, a lot. Non-issue. Yep, It's all fine, it's all fine. La La La La La Did not say that. There are things to pick on, this is not one of them.
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Post by Rob Scott on Dec 15, 2016 10:27:25 GMT
Yep, It's all fine, it's all fine. La La La La La Did not say that. There are things to pick on, this is not one of them. I personally don't have a big problem with the figures being managed a little bit (this exaggeration is pretty exceptional on the face of it). I'm more concerned about some of the reasons why people have stopped and are stopping going.
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Post by kievthegreat on Dec 15, 2016 10:35:55 GMT
This is one of the things that winds people up about GM. Why massage the figures like this? Just man up, accept that you're making mistakes, put your ego to one side and listen to other people and other points of view. The mans an idiot and a liability. Teams do this in all sports, a lot. Non-issue. Plenty of teams will include all tickets sold, or count all season ticket holders as in attendance, but boosting by ~50% like some are suggesting? No that's not normal. At least it's not always a number related to the MotM anymore.
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2016 10:42:55 GMT
Yep, It's all fine, it's all fine. La La La La La Did not say that. There are things to pick on, this is not one of them. Maybe not a massive issue on its own,but why do it ? But in six months time he will be crowing on the O/s that Panthers have jumped up to number 40 in the European league table of attendances etc etc. I wonder why that was Gary......oh yes,because YOU massaged the figures !!!!! This sort of thing leads to mistrust and is the reason i don't buy a 50/50 ticket !!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 10:45:53 GMT
Teams do this in all sports, a lot. Non-issue. Plenty of teams will include all tickets sold, or count all season ticket holders as in attendance, but boosting by ~50% like some are suggesting? No that's not normal. At least it's not always a number related to the MotM anymore. As an off the wall example the Washington Wizards in the NBA regularly inflate their attendance figures by 4 to 5,000 (gets reported as 12,000 due to amount of seaosn tickets sold and presuming they are there when it's actually around 7 to 8,000 physically there on a given night). The arena they play out of is bigger than the Motorpoint yes, but still delivers a bit of perspective.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 10:49:35 GMT
Did not say that. There are things to pick on, this is not one of them. Maybe not a massive issue on its own,but why do it ? But in six months time he will be crowing on the O/s that Panthers have jumped up to number 40 in the European league table of attendances etc etc. I wonder why that was Gary......oh yes,because YOU massaged the figures !!!!! This sort of thing leads to mistrust and is the reason i don't buy a 50/50 ticket !!!!!!!! The issue is if that you pick on something as nitpicky as this (which in the grand scheme of things isn't really an issue) the broader message that you and others try to get across gets lost as people then think it's moaning for moanings sake.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 15, 2016 10:50:59 GMT
Plenty of teams will include all tickets sold, or count all season ticket holders as in attendance, but boosting by ~50% like some are suggesting? No that's not normal. At least it's not always a number related to the MotM anymore. As an off the wall example the Washington Wizards in the NBA regularly inflate their attendance figures by 4 to 5,000 (gets reported as 12,000 due to amount of seaosn tickets sold and presuming they are there when it's actually around 7 to 8,000 physically there on a given night). The arena they play out of is bigger than the Motorpoint yes, but still delivers a bit of perspective. Panthers can count season tickets for a league match as they have sold the ticket(s). Not for a stand alone cup match though. It's BS. The point I was making is about GM massaging the figures rather than addressing the issue or listening to reasons as to why so many people didn't attend?
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2016 10:51:00 GMT
A season ticket seat,yes you can understand them including those......but last night wasn't a season ticket game so no excuse there.
In my opinion,inflating crowds is purely an ego trip with GM,plus in this instance having a dig at the fans for daring to not go........That sums up his attitude I'm afraid !
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Post by iginla on Dec 15, 2016 10:54:53 GMT
Maybe not a massive issue on its own,but why do it ? But in six months time he will be crowing on the O/s that Panthers have jumped up to number 40 in the European league table of attendances etc etc. I wonder why that was Gary......oh yes,because YOU massaged the figures !!!!! This sort of thing leads to mistrust and is the reason i don't buy a 50/50 ticket !!!!!!!! The issue is if that you pick on something as nitpicky as this (which in the grand scheme of things isn't really an issue) the broader message that you and others try to get across gets lost as people then think it's moaning for moanings sake. It's a two way thing. Moran probably wonders why people don't like or trust him,but why should we trust any figure they give us if they can't even be honest about a poor crowd. There are a lot of things you could relate that issue of trust to !
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