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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 4, 2016 0:16:43 GMT
McGrattan was signed to protect his team mates. I'd say he's fulfilling his part of the deal. Other forwards should have been gassed long ago. I agree with you Mark.....but somehow the team with the toughest guy in the league have suffered at least 3 or 4 concussions so far this season and yet I haven't seen Macgrattan jump or no choice anybody yet ! What happened to those skull caps we were supposed to be wearing to help protect concussions?
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Post by wgray on Dec 4, 2016 0:19:04 GMT
The team left it all on the ice, I am proud of them and I am not as disappointed tonight as I have been in previous weeks.
Carter played well, brilliant goal, upped his game and needs to keep it up.
Brown was my MotM, battled and worked his socks off all night, won nearly every face-off he took, brilliant on the PK, admire him hugely.
Schultz played very well, on the PP with him pulling the strings we looked good.
Why does Lee get so much time in key situations? It baffles me
Pacl isn't a game winner unfortunately, you need a Goalie that is capable of keeping you in the game and pulling you over the line, he isn't I'm afraid.
Why is that they always get a lucky bounce or three for their goals? It's so frustrating
I fear for tomorrow night, they looked very tired and dejected at the end of the game, a tough night on Wednesday will have contributed to the fatigue. If we are going to get anything we need a well disciplined performance like we had on Wednesday but we need to take our chances. I am struggling to muster up any confidence that we will be able to pull it out the bag.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 4, 2016 0:21:31 GMT
They worked very hard tonight but the big difference between the teams (apart from our teams obvious lack of balance) is outright fitness. The only reason they had to take their feet off the throttle for a while was because they were a lot more tired than Sheffield were and I think this is happening a lot right back to September.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 4, 2016 0:24:50 GMT
McGrattan was signed to protect his team mates. I'd say he's fulfilling his part of the deal. Other forwards should have been gassed long ago. If he was signed to protect team mates CN would use him and let him get on with it. He was signed to sell tickets.
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2016 0:28:07 GMT
I agree with you Mark.....but somehow the team with the toughest guy in the league have suffered at least 3 or 4 concussions so far this season and yet I haven't seen Macgrattan jump or no choice anybody yet ! Interestingly he was no choiced himself tonight. The instigator rule is one that has always been applied inconsistently at best. Was that not worthy of one tonight? Desbiens should have got an instigator pen yes........That was another call tonight's ref got wrong !
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2016 0:36:58 GMT
Interestingly he was no choiced himself tonight. The instigator rule is one that has always been applied inconsistently at best. Was that not worthy of one tonight? Desbiens should have got an instigator pen yes........That was another call tonight's ref got wrong ! Seemed like a blatant instigator to me. Would also like to say what a relief it is to see that Ratchuk quickly recovered from his life threatening injuries follow the hit from Brown. Oh well, lie on the ice for long enough until the ref blows up with Panthers on a 3on1 break. O'Connor and Dowd have trained him well.
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 4, 2016 0:50:02 GMT
Seems like the referee just carried on where he left off reading the posts on here and tweets during the game.
Can't comment too much as I wasn't there but just one point. Opinion seems to be split on McGrattan. Whilst he probably is he toughest player in the league, he brings nothing else. I thought this league had moved on from tough guys who contribute zero points. A team aiming to challenge for league titles can't afford an import contributing nothing on the scoring charts imo, not anymore anyway.
There's been lot's of tough players in the league over the years, probably none with the reputation of McGrattan, but I'd choose many of the others over him for my team based on their contribution on the ice. Cam may not have been as tough but he gave you something else with the hits, McGrattan may as well not be on the ice if not fighting. I reckon Nielson see's that too with his lack of shifts.
Second installment tomorrow....
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 4, 2016 0:58:55 GMT
Seems like the referee just carried on where he left off reading the posts on here and tweets during the game. Can't comment too much as I wasn't there but just one point. Opinion seems to be split on McGrattan. Whilst he probably is he toughest player in the league, he brings nothing else. I thought this league had moved on from tough guys who contribute zero points. A team aiming to challenge for league titles can't afford an import contributing nothing on the scoring charts imo, not anymore anyway. There's been lot's of tough players in the league over the years, probably none with the reputation of McGrattan, but I'd choose many of the others over him for my team based on their contribution on the ice. Cam may not have been as tough but he gave you something else with the hits, McGrattan may as well not be on the ice if not fighting. I reckon Nielson see's that too with his lack of shifts. Second installment tomorrow.... McGrattan has been excellent when he is with Farmer actually. The problem is that it worked so we can't expect to see that combo again.
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 4, 2016 1:00:25 GMT
Not the best performance ever, not by a long chalk, but compared to what we saw in the few weeks before the Denmark trip it's like night and day. Plenty of mistakes, but also plenty of effort - and a damned sight better on the teamwork than of late. Enough? - no. But neither is it worthy of a roasting either. Whether it is enough to set us on the road back to being in contention for the league or not is another matter (probably not - although I do think that those writing off the league chances are being a little premature) but it's progress. Don't think the Steelers have too much to crow about... a team riding high at the moment coming into our barn with only 1 man missing from the roster, go up against an injury-ravaged team in some disarray and only manage to get the win with an insanely-lucky 90-degree deflection off a Panthers player's head, and a Panthers goal washed out simply because the Steelers moaned at the ref (because sure as hell he didn't see it). And to think the Sheffield fans were booing him at the start... they should be lining up to kiss his feet. Come on Dave, we had 1 import more than you and that being Hagos in his first game back from that hit by Rutherford. You make it sound like you were 5 or 6 players less than us, it was 1. As for getting back in contention for the league, even winning all your games in hand you'd still be 10 points behind. It's not going to happen, nothing premature about it at all. For the goal being washed out, get used to it with this referee. He gave the goal in Cardiff then had his mind changed just like he did for you tonight. Both times the final decision was correct.....
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Post by PantherG on Dec 4, 2016 1:00:42 GMT
Was an entertaining game but felt there was only going to be one winner. Sheffield are a far superior team, as much as I hate to say it. Far smarter recruitment, much better coaching and a better set of Brits. We are really far behind now and I would not be surprised to see us in 8th or 9th come Christmas.
People thought this team looked odd before the season began and it's really proved it. Winning only 2 league games in 10 is shocking for any team, but for a team as big as the Panthers with the resources we have it's inexcusable. Christ, Sheffield sacked a league winning coach as they wanted to push themselves harder. Sadly this club will win the odd CC and PO, but the one that matters won't be back in the cabinet anytime soon...
Carrying way to many passengers and clearly Neil Black is prepared to accept mediocrity, maybe all that matters is the Conti Cup to the powers that be, sadly for the majority of fans it's the league we want it maybe that's too much effort. If I was running this club, I'd dispatch with Gary Moran, get a decent GM in who can lap scout properly and I'd employ a new coach, then without question the new coach would ditch 50% of this lot...
Pray for a close game tomorrow, as they looked so tired and slow at the end, I fear another absolute humiliation will take place tomorrow, especially if Schultz is turning over the puck like he did all night tonight.....
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 4, 2016 1:05:28 GMT
Seems like the referee just carried on where he left off reading the posts on here and tweets during the game. Can't comment too much as I wasn't there but just one point. Opinion seems to be split on McGrattan. Whilst he probably is he toughest player in the league, he brings nothing else. I thought this league had moved on from tough guys who contribute zero points. A team aiming to challenge for league titles can't afford an import contributing nothing on the scoring charts imo, not anymore anyway. There's been lot's of tough players in the league over the years, probably none with the reputation of McGrattan, but I'd choose many of the others over him for my team based on their contribution on the ice. Cam may not have been as tough but he gave you something else with the hits, McGrattan may as well not be on the ice if not fighting. I reckon Nielson see's that too with his lack of shifts. Second installment tomorrow.... McGrattan has been excellent when he is with Farmer actually. The problem is that it worked so we can't expect to see that combo again. Surely he needs to contribute on the points table too, especially in a team that lacks firepower from other areas. Only seen him in Sheffield though to be fair. Compare him to the other players playing the same role in the league this year and he's some way behind.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 4, 2016 1:22:51 GMT
McGrattan has been excellent when he is with Farmer actually. The problem is that it worked so we can't expect to see that combo again. Surely he needs to contribute on the points table too, especially in a team that lacks firepower from other areas. Only seen him in Sheffield though to be fair. Compare him to the other players playing the same role in the league this year and he's some way behind. Can't be expected to put up that many points when the rest of the team struggle - he's a better player overall than Cam but on a far far worse team. I personally think it's more down to how little Neilson uses him. 10+ years in the NHL putting up a fair amount of points show he's well above the playing ability of your average EIHL enforcer.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Dec 4, 2016 2:03:21 GMT
McGrattan has been excellent when he is with Farmer actually. The problem is that it worked so we can't expect to see that combo again. Surely he needs to contribute on the points table too, especially in a team that lacks firepower from other areas. Only seen him in Sheffield though to be fair. Compare him to the other players playing the same role in the league this year and he's some way behind. He was putting up points. He has an excellent hockey mind and great vision and he makes a killer pass too. He was one of the stand out players in the Conti Cup a couple of weeks back. I would say that out of all of the current EIHL "enforcers" he is the best player of the lot by a long way but CN split that partnership up and that put an end to that.
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Post by Mark on Dec 4, 2016 2:25:08 GMT
I think some of the criticism aimed at Pacl is unfair. His defence did little to protect him tonight. Our two most consistent D men were missing and it showed. I don't see the big improvement in performance either, we blustered about and some shoddy netminding helped us but Sheffield looked hungrier and certainly had much more skill and guile. We look leaderless, and in their zone seemed to hope for a chance to appear rather than actually have any real ability to create good scoring opportunities. The Panthers management are ignoring all these shortcomings, and it is my belief that they care not a jot for the league. Neil Black in my opinion really is only interested in the Continental Cup, he wants the Panthers to be the first British club to lift said trophy. His shortsightedness and ego will most likely garner nothing at all. The decisions made by those in charge at the Panthers are no more than an embarrassment.
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Post by wasteoftime on Dec 4, 2016 8:21:22 GMT
If that's the best we can do, gawd help us.
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2016 8:34:44 GMT
Was an entertaining game but felt there was only going to be one winner. Sheffield are a far superior team, as much as I hate to say it. Far smarter recruitment, much better coaching and a better set of Brits. We are really far behind now and I would not be surprised to see us in 8th or 9th come Christmas. People thought this team looked odd before the season began and it's really proved it. Winning only 2 league games in 10 is shocking for any team, but for a team as big as the Panthers with the resources we have it's inexcusable. Christ, Sheffield sacked a league winning coach as they wanted to push themselves harder. Sadly this club will win the odd CC and PO, but the one that matters won't be back in the cabinet anytime soon... Carrying way to many passengers and clearly Neil Black is prepared to accept mediocrity, maybe all that matters is the Conti Cup to the powers that be, sadly for the majority of fans it's the league we want it maybe that's too much effort. If I was running this club, I'd dispatch with Gary Moran, get a decent GM in who can lap scout properly and I'd employ a new coach, then without question the new coach would ditch 50% of this lot... Pray for a close game tomorrow, as they looked so tired and slow at the end, I fear another absolute humiliation will take place tomorrow, especially if Schultz is turning over the puck like he did all night tonight..... Spot on post !
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 4, 2016 8:39:20 GMT
I agree with you Mark.....but somehow the team with the toughest guy in the league have suffered at least 3 or 4 concussions so far this season and yet I haven't seen Macgrattan jump or no choice anybody yet ! What happened to those skull caps we were supposed to be wearing to help protect concussions? He tried to jump Fitzgerald at least twice in the first period but got no response, so resorted to leaving his leg in on Phillips just enough to provoke a reaction, from Desbiens. So he found another way to to get at Fitzgerland later, who incidentally probably won't play on Sunday. There will come a time when we shouldn't need the protection of an enforcer, like with Penner a few years ago. He outlived his usefullness (and he wasn't very good).
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2016 8:41:24 GMT
McGrattan has been excellent when he is with Farmer actually. The problem is that it worked so we can't expect to see that combo again. Surely he needs to contribute on the points table too, especially in a team that lacks firepower from other areas. Only seen him in Sheffield though to be fair. Compare him to the other players playing the same role in the league this year and he's some way behind. Hey, Magrattan isn't the only one contributing none or hardly any league points. Mcgrattan,Macmillan and Lacho have contributed about 4 points all season BETWEEN THEM !!!!!
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Post by Mozzy on Dec 4, 2016 9:35:49 GMT
Surely he needs to contribute on the points table too, especially in a team that lacks firepower from other areas. Only seen him in Sheffield though to be fair. Compare him to the other players playing the same role in the league this year and he's some way behind. Hey, Magrattan isn't the only one contributing none or hardly any league points. Mcgrattan,Macmillan and Lacho have contributed about 4 points all season BETWEEN THEM !!!!! Thst's my point, nail on head. With other players failing to score points then the no doubt highly paid enforcer on the team with 10 years NHL experience behind him needs to contribute. I don't buy the "he plays great with Farmer, killer pass, best playing tough guy in the league" stuff either. The team is lacking a leader, he has the experience he should be grabbing this team and leading by example. Good players stand out no matter what turd is around them. He contributes very little apart from fighting, the points board shows that. Fitzgerald or Desbiens fighting him is a worse trade off for us on his contribution this year. Yes, I've only seen the games in Sheffield but he was awful, hence his icetime is not what it should be.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 4, 2016 9:45:18 GMT
Not the best performance ever, not by a long chalk, but compared to what we saw in the few weeks before the Denmark trip it's like night and day. Plenty of mistakes, but also plenty of effort - and a damned sight better on the teamwork than of late. Enough? - no. But neither is it worthy of a roasting either. Whether it is enough to set us on the road back to being in contention for the league or not is another matter (probably not - although I do think that those writing off the league chances are being a little premature) but it's progress. Don't think the Steelers have too much to crow about... a team riding high at the moment coming into our barn with only 1 man missing from the roster, go up against an injury-ravaged team in some disarray and only manage to get the win with an insanely-lucky 90-degree deflection off a Panthers player's head, and a Panthers goal washed out simply because the Steelers moaned at the ref (because sure as hell he didn't see it). And to think the Sheffield fans were booing him at the start... they should be lining up to kiss his feet. Come on Dave, we had 1 import more than you and that being Hagos in his first game back from that hit by Rutherford. You make it sound like you were 5 or 6 players less than us, it was 1. In a team game it's always about more than simple numbers. We were missing our top 2 D-men, which is always going to have a massive effect, plus our top British goalscorer. That's the direct loss. Then you have the disruption to the lines of losing those players, and then you have even more disruption to the forward lines by dropping players back to the defence. It's a cumulative effect, far more so than just "one less player". Yet we still managed to keep it a tight game... still can't believe that flukey deflection goal, talk about bad luck! So close...
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Post by tim27 on Dec 4, 2016 9:56:49 GMT
Seems like the referee just carried on where he left off reading the posts on here and tweets during the game. Can't comment too much as I wasn't there but just one point. Opinion seems to be split on McGrattan. Whilst he probably is he toughest player in the league, he brings nothing else. I thought this league had moved on from tough guys who contribute zero points. A team aiming to challenge for league titles can't afford an import contributing nothing on the scoring charts imo, not anymore anyway. There's been lot's of tough players in the league over the years, probably none with the reputation of McGrattan, but I'd choose many of the others over him for my team based on their contribution on the ice. Cam may not have been as tough but he gave you something else with the hits, McGrattan may as well not be on the ice if not fighting. I reckon Nielson see's that too with his lack of shifts. Second installment tomorrow.... Get rid of Macmillian then God knows why he was on the ice in the last two minutes of the game 1 assist this season is definitely not good enough And with them numbers of imports in the league again now i think you can comfortably carry a enforcer.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2016 10:04:56 GMT
Was an entertaining game but felt there was only going to be one winner. Sheffield are a far superior team, as much as I hate to say it. Far smarter recruitment, much better coaching and a better set of Brits. We are really far behind now and I would not be surprised to see us in 8th or 9th come Christmas. People thought this team looked odd before the season began and it's really proved it. Winning only 2 league games in 10 is shocking for any team, but for a team as big as the Panthers with the resources we have it's inexcusable. Christ, Sheffield sacked a league winning coach as they wanted to push themselves harder. Sadly this club will win the odd CC and PO, but the one that matters won't be back in the cabinet anytime soon... Carrying way to many passengers and clearly Neil Black is prepared to accept mediocrity, maybe all that matters is the Conti Cup to the powers that be, sadly for the majority of fans it's the league we want it maybe that's too much effort. If I was running this club, I'd dispatch with Gary Moran, get a decent GM in who can lap scout properly and I'd employ a new coach, then without question the new coach would ditch 50% of this lot... Pray for a close game tomorrow, as they looked so tired and slow at the end, I fear another absolute humiliation will take place tomorrow, especially if Schultz is turning over the puck like he did all night tonight..... Very good post. Completely agree.
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2016 10:28:00 GMT
Hey, Magrattan isn't the only one contributing none or hardly any league points. Mcgrattan,Macmillan and Lacho have contributed about 4 points all season BETWEEN THEM !!!!! Thst's my point, nail on head. With other players failing to score points then the no doubt highly paid enforcer on the team with 10 years NHL experience behind him needs to contribute. I don't buy the "he plays great with Farmer, killer pass, best playing tough guy in the league" stuff either. The team is lacking a leader, he has the experience he should be grabbing this team and leading by example. Good players stand out no matter what turd is around them. He contributes very little apart from fighting, the points board shows that. Fitzgerald or Desbiens fighting him is a worse trade off for us on his contribution this year. Yes, I've only seen the games in Sheffield but he was awful, hence his icetime is not what it should be. You are spot on Mozzy. Look at the top point scorers in the league. There are only TWO Panthers in the top FIFTY and one of them is at about number 35 and the other at about number 44. That is a shocking points return !!!
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Post by panthersdave on Dec 4, 2016 10:45:03 GMT
For me the abject performance of the officials will be used to mask another poor performance from the team - having said that it was much less poor than recent weeks.
I said to the guys next to me that I had watched the warmup and it was scary how even in the warmup the Steelers looked sharper, fitter, faster than us. Also they had what appeared to be a team spirit.
Our guys look like they had all been on the McDonald's before the game......oh.
Won't comment too much on the game as it's all been done to death, but last night re-iterated that the whole club needs a shake down. The Panthers are a sports organisation, GM used to use the term "sports entertainment" to describe a night at the Panthers, the same term used to describe WWE wrestling - I'm sorry but that's not acceptable to me. The ethos of this club is wrong and that's a huge part of why we are staring at the bottom of the league and the club is doing nothing about it.
On another note we may be facing up to 3 bans from last night which would leave us going into an away game at Cardiff potentially minus Waugh, Dimmen, Clarke, Mcgratten, Brown and A N Other (not sure who hit Fretter), plus Wiikman might not play.
It's just a total shambles.
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Post by dexter on Dec 4, 2016 10:55:16 GMT
Why do you think we're looking at three bans? Is it a hunch or based on fact?
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