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Post by allingtonskates on Dec 3, 2016 21:52:59 GMT
Carter probably played his best game of the season.
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Post by Ghost on Dec 3, 2016 21:54:25 GMT
I for one feel well chuffed.
I bought a ticket to a hockey game and also got to witness some world class Olympic diving.
All in all excellent value for money.
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Post by ted logan on Dec 3, 2016 21:58:46 GMT
Fair to say the referee is a clown. Very disrespectful to clowns there Shorty. He is most definitely something beginning with 'c' though. Bring back Carson.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 3, 2016 22:34:13 GMT
Better team won for me. If Mustukovs wasn't such a clown they'd have won by far more.
We're just not good enough this season, especially missing the two Geoff/Jeffs at the back.
What's wrong with Miika?
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 3, 2016 22:40:13 GMT
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Post by Yotes on Dec 3, 2016 22:41:01 GMT
Cheers Shaggy, sorry to hear that.
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Post by Mark on Dec 3, 2016 22:41:36 GMT
Better team won for me. If Mustukovs wasn't such a clown they'd have won by far more. We're just not good enough this season, especially missing the two Geoff/Jeffs at the back. What's wrong with Miika? Agree with this. We're a poor team, lacking in ability, heart and pride. Crying out for someone to take the game by the scruff of the neck but nobody did. Having a goal washed out because of a loose chin strap and the shambles of the 5 on 3 penalty just about sums us up.
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Post by ashfieldpanther on Dec 3, 2016 22:51:26 GMT
was Brown's gesture to block 5 as he went off at the end of the never ending PK in the 2nd period one of 'get off my back, I've just done 2 mins of pk work and I'm knackered' or 'c'mon guys lets hear more noise'. I'm thinking the latter. I actually saw a good performance tonight, lots of hard work, we were let down by a couple of failed crease clearances, a shot from O'Connor that I think hit somebody sat in block 3 and bounced in, a disallowed goal for somebody not having cleaned his teeth this morning or something like that. Had we not been carrying 3 passengers on the forward lines we just might have got a result. Unfortunately, when a team is going to be struggling for goals you need everyone to chip in. I don't mind Ollie not scoring, but we can't have Logan, Lacho and McGratten not contributing any points. Finally, Carter's 1st goal eh ? a thing of beauty, I'm surprised Mustokovs could stand up after tied in knots.
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Post by Walitzer on Dec 3, 2016 22:58:14 GMT
A frustrating end to what started so well.
Panthers seem to take the foot off the gas during the second period, every game. And when they realise its time to get their heads back into the game. It's with 10 minutes left in the game and they've dug themselves into a goal defecit too difficult to climb out. Is it a fitness issue? Too many McDonald breakfasts crippling our endurance?
Don't regret buying a ticket, moments of greatness and the crowd was pretty good today!
Goddamn Chinstrap...
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Post by mansfieldpanther91 on Dec 3, 2016 23:00:35 GMT
Good performance for me, really unlucky with some decisionsort from a poor referee, what the he'll was the disallowed goal all about? Stick holding should have been called just before mcgrattans interference, which wouldn't have even happened had he called the stick holding, which led to their first goal. Our players played with a lot of heart andisease desire tonight, if we play like that every game we would do well. I can take losing aslong as the effort is there
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 3, 2016 23:02:54 GMT
10x better game than I thought it would be. We weren't particularly good, rather Steelers stooped down to our level. Mustukovs had a bit of a stinker (didn't shake the refs hand summed him up). I thought Pacl had a good game (no where near MoM!) but was let down by our defence too often.
Steelers defence was equal to our poor show. Fitzgerald played into his 'donkey' tag well, turning down McGrattan made him redundant and was shown up by Desbiens standing up for his teammates. O'Connor & Phillips shirk away from anything physical more than Steve Lee!
Special mention to Carter. He turned up and played well tonight. That first goal was something up there with Jordan Fox's dance around the defence! I've been heavily critical of him but credit where credit is due.
Overall we just carry too many coasters still: Brown laid a good hit but little else. Lacho had a few bright touches but generally ghosted it. MacMillan just does nothing constructive. Betteridge skates hard but way behind technically. Moran is just insipid and uninspiring.
On a better note, I thought Nikiforuk and McGrattan had good games & Kudroc was a rock on defence. Farmer still stands out as always giving 100%.
Also, is there any word on Clarke?
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Post by shaun30 on Dec 3, 2016 23:05:23 GMT
Yes we lost but we battled, and considering the circumstances of who we had missing I think that's a step in right direction.
Couple of frustrations though
Steve lee, why does he play point on the pp or crunch situations but do nothing with puck, Christ just shoot once in awhile please
Lacho was he injured at any point tonight as didn't seem to see him for ages, seemed to be out a bit more in the 3rd but that's not saying much tbh....coasting imo
Think the guys dug in hard for pacl but he let in a few softies,,,,,no way m.o.m in my eyes
Onwards and upwards
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Post by kezypanther on Dec 3, 2016 23:08:19 GMT
Funny you mention that ashfieldpanther about brown. It was really bad in block 6 telling him to "move" more and "hit em" after he had spent two minutes on the PK exhausted. I felt like telling them to shut up aswell it's pathetic.
As for the game the sooner we make personnel changes the better. Lacho is plain awful, McGratten isn't adding anything to the team imo, MacMillan needs to contribute more (yes it's not his "job") but we are lacking points scorers. Schultz isn't scoring like he needs to be as with Lawrence but they have both come back from long injuries so I don't expect them to come straight in scoring goal after goal YET.
Positives I would say farmer is by far our best Brit, yes it doesn't always go his way but he works hard and tries to make chances. I like brown, he works hard, hits and is basically what MacMillan should be doing. Niki needs a goal scorer with him that knows how to put the puck away and I think he can be a great player for us. Carter has bought himself some time IMO.
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Post by Shaggy on Dec 3, 2016 23:24:10 GMT
Not the best performance ever, not by a long chalk, but compared to what we saw in the few weeks before the Denmark trip it's like night and day. Plenty of mistakes, but also plenty of effort - and a damned sight better on the teamwork than of late. Enough? - no. But neither is it worthy of a roasting either. Whether it is enough to set us on the road back to being in contention for the league or not is another matter (probably not - although I do think that those writing off the league chances are being a little premature) but it's progress.
Don't think the Steelers have too much to crow about... a team riding high at the moment coming into our barn with only 1 man missing from the roster, go up against an injury-ravaged team in some disarray and only manage to get the win with an insanely-lucky 90-degree deflection off a Panthers player's head, and a Panthers goal washed out simply because the Steelers moaned at the ref (because sure as hell he didn't see it). And to think the Sheffield fans were booing him at the start... they should be lining up to kiss his feet.
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Post by iginla on Dec 3, 2016 23:30:08 GMT
Best team won and deserved it,no excuses,we had the same amount of imports as Steelers and even one extra after they lost Fitzgerald. Panthers are so lacking in skill and ideas it is embarrassing.
Brown worked his socks off,Farmer,Lawrence and Kudroc were good and Carters goal was top notch. As for the rest,worked hard but just not good enough.
Lacho,Macmillan,Lindhagen and Macgrattan just offer nothing,Betteridge is EPL quality at best.
As for Lee,well he is on a par with that referee......a liability and bloody awful !
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Post by Bagheera on Dec 3, 2016 23:31:39 GMT
Referee woefull. Actually don't have a problem with the chin strap call. What I do have a problem with is Sheffield calling for it for 10 seconds before we scored, play continuing until we scored, then the goal being washed off after Sheffield called it. He also had his hand up for a penalty on Desbiens before the fight but only called 5 each for fighting when the dust settled. Carter I thought was good tonight. Not just for his goals. Hos first was just filthty. Plenty of games this year we have been garbage and deserved what we got. The last two have been dissapointing because I think we deserved more than we got. The difference tonight was pretty much bad bounces as opposed to being poo poo.
Something that may be a bit more controvertial. Steve Schultz. 1 or 2 changes needed to this team. Called for Mac long ago and Carter hasn't cut it, Lacho does nothing and McGratton is a waste of an import slot with Mac & Brown on the team too. However I think Schultz is way overated. Maybe it's just easing back in since his injury, but there has been 0 end product. I've paid close attention since his return and wow he is a turnover machine. All the skills in the world but 9 out of 10 times the puck goes from his stick to an opposition stick.
Look there is a lot wrong with this team. Plenty of people to take aim at. Schiltz would probably prosper in a team where he disn't feel the pressure to do it all. Carter could benefit from a playmaker. The fact is we all know that the balance is wrong. The problem is we all knew it months ago and nothing has changed.
Never felt so deflated so early in a season. Im now at 17/18 regular seasons and seem to remember worse teams. I cant remember feeling this hopeless so early in a season, ever!
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Post by Shorty on Dec 3, 2016 23:43:01 GMT
I think the fact that quite a few are pleased that we did not lose by more sums us up. Just not good enough this season.
Whether Carter had been told to pull his finger out, he should have had a hattrick. A much improved performance, and he needs to continue this new level he has set.
The chin strap call was really poor by Spang. He had his helmet in his hands as he skated to the bench after the high stick call on Nelson. Then when he realised he should be on the powerplay he skated over for the face off still putting it back on.
I do think tomorrow will be bad though.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Dec 3, 2016 23:45:14 GMT
I can understand why people question McGrattan but I don't think he is an issue. That role of his is never to get many points, if Cam had of stayed he would have struggled to get any points in this team!
It also doesn't help that Neilson can't use an enforcer to his own benefit. Even with Cam, he would be often benched for most 3rd periods despite how obvious his influence had been during the opening 2 periods. Again tonight I think McGrattan only had 2 or 3 shifts in the final period... get him in there and amongst their defence!!
Brian showed tonight how much intimidation he offers - Fitzgerald never turned down Cam but was backing away from McGrattan as soon as they came close.
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Post by Ghost on Dec 3, 2016 23:47:45 GMT
Best team won and deserved it,no excuses,we had the same amount of imports as Steelers and even one extra after they lost Fitzgerald. Panthers are so lacking in skill and ideas it is embarrassing. Brown worked his socks off,Farmer,Lawrence and Kudroc were good and Carters goal was top notch. As for the rest,worked hard but just not good enough. Lacho,Macmillan,Lindhagen and Macgrattan just offer nothing,Betteridge is EPL quality at best. As for Lee,well he is on a par with that referee......a liability and bloody awful ! Yup, you'd think Betteridge was the EIHL's Auston Mathews the way some Panthers fans go on, too.
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Post by Higgy on Dec 3, 2016 23:56:38 GMT
We tried hard,they left everything on the ice but they just aren't good enough I'm afraid.
Carter's goal was a beauty and I was actually entertained tonight,this is something I haven't been able to say for a long time!
Shame the crowd were quiet but a few more performances like that and they night get louder
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2016 0:00:43 GMT
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Post by Mark on Dec 4, 2016 0:01:29 GMT
McGrattan was signed to protect his team mates. I'd say he's fulfilling his part of the deal. Other forwards should have been gassed long ago.
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Post by Yotes on Dec 4, 2016 0:04:19 GMT
I'm looking forward to the clarification on why Neilson sent a guy out on the powerplay who wasn't ready to take part. I'm sure it'll be along shortly...
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Post by iginla on Dec 4, 2016 0:12:55 GMT
McGrattan was signed to protect his team mates. I'd say he's fulfilling his part of the deal. Other forwards should have been gassed long ago. I agree with you Mark.....but somehow the team with the toughest guy in the league have suffered at least 3 or 4 concussions so far this season and yet I haven't seen Macgrattan jump or no choice anybody yet !
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Post by ted logan on Dec 4, 2016 0:16:02 GMT
McGrattan was signed to protect his team mates. I'd say he's fulfilling his part of the deal. Other forwards should have been gassed long ago. I agree with you Mark.....but somehow the team with the toughest guy in the league have suffered at least 3 or 4 concussions so far this season and yet I haven't seen Macgrattan jump or no choice anybody yet ! Interestingly he was no choiced himself tonight. The instigator rule is one that has always been applied inconsistently at best. Was that not worthy of one tonight?
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