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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 15:40:54 GMT
I'm hoping players start walking out tbh. Waugh and Schultz sat behind us last night. They weren't speaking much
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Post by Yotes on Nov 13, 2016 15:50:16 GMT
Some sort of player revolt is likely the only way to oust Neilson.
We all know Moran will bury this result as the week goes by, he only needs 4 news stories and it's off.
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Post by iginla on Nov 13, 2016 16:10:55 GMT
Some sort of player revolt is likely the only way to oust Neilson. We all know Moran will bury this result as the week goes by, he only needs 4 news stories and it's off. Of course Moran will try to bury it,give it until Tuesday and it will all be spin and crap about the "exciting" Conti cup trip. Wow I bet the other teams are quaking in their boots about playing us ! Belfast game....I want to hear some Neilson out chants. If u see Moran on the concourse give him some heat too and let's make it hard for him.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 13, 2016 17:30:41 GMT
Some sort of player revolt is likely the only way to oust Neilson. We all know Moran will bury this result as the week goes by, he only needs 4 news stories and it's off. Thinking this myself. The players should be knocking on Blacks door(If they know where to look) saying somethings got to give. Shouldn't ever have to go above your coach but sometimes needs must. Even last season some of the imports commented on struggling because of the systems and lack of consistant line mates. Now it's showing on the ice. I was in 202 and it was clear to see McGrattons frustrated gestures back to the bench. I said previously I wasn't a fan of McGratton, but then again if the players are getting that disillusioned with the coaching are we truely going to see what they're capable of?
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Post by Ghost on Nov 13, 2016 17:53:19 GMT
Some sort of player revolt is likely the only way to oust Neilson. We all know Moran will bury this result as the week goes by, he only needs 4 news stories and it's off. Thinking this myself. The players should be knocking on Blacks door(If they know where to look) saying somethings got to give. Shouldn't ever have to go above your coach but sometimes needs must. Even last season some of the imports commented on struggling because of the systems and lack of consistant line mates. Now it's showing on the ice. I was in 202 and it was clear to see McGrattons frustrated gestures back to the bench. I said previously I wasn't a fan of McGratton, but then again if the players are getting that disillusioned with the coaching are we truely going to see what they're capable of? No question Mcgrattan wouldn't shy away from telling Neilson what he thinks.
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Post by fishman on Nov 13, 2016 19:30:55 GMT
The game as gone lets let it go, after all its only a game, hockey that is!!!
Come on mods put this one to bed
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Post by sevcik on Nov 13, 2016 19:30:59 GMT
Thinking this myself. The players should be knocking on Blacks door(If they know where to look) saying somethings got to give. Shouldn't ever have to go above your coach but sometimes needs must. Even last season some of the imports commented on struggling because of the systems and lack of consistant line mates. Now it's showing on the ice. I was in 202 and it was clear to see McGrattons frustrated gestures back to the bench. I said previously I wasn't a fan of McGratton, but then again if the players are getting that disillusioned with the coaching are we truely going to see what they're capable of? No question Mcgrattan wouldn't shy away from telling Neilson what he thinks. There is a lot wrong with Neilsons leadership and tactics but certain players attitudes off the ice is increasing the problem. When players go to a certain pub most days and in some instances straight after training and are given pretty much as free alcohol as they want then there is a problem. There has always been certain players who like a drink and always will be- Galbraith being one of them but when the club increases its ties with said pub attitudes wont change. It doesnt help with 5 or 6 players go into Hockley for some beers an hour or so after a home game knowing they have an away game the following day. Moran, Neilson or even Black need to get a grip to stop it as much as they can. But will they? I highly doubt it with this regime. At very least we need a strong coach. Neither Neilson or strachan are that.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Nov 13, 2016 19:42:50 GMT
As fans who chose the intro song, maybe we should demand a change to 'Cigarettes & Alcohol'?
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Post by Stargazer on Nov 13, 2016 19:50:14 GMT
The game as gone lets let it go, after all its only a game, hockey that is!!! Come on mods put this one to bed The game has gone but its not really just about a single game though is it, this goes far deeper and spans across several seasons (in my opinion). I also don't see why the Mods should (or would) put this to bed. Considering how strong the feelings are, this thread has been conducted in an orderly fashion by every poster and the debate has been healthy. You can't ask for it to be closed just because you don't agree with it. Put your feelings over in a post and join the debate Fishman.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 19:51:13 GMT
The game as gone lets let it go, after all its only a game, hockey that is!!! Come on mods put this one to bed And comments like that is music to Morans ears. Just what he'd like to hear
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 20:24:18 GMT
Our problem is unfortunately of our own making. Nottingham is a great hockey city and we like to go and watch the game (oops! Nearly said "our team"). This make it almost impossible to organise the walkout or boycott protest that we really need to shake this crew up. I do have a certain sympathy for Neil Black. I remember going to the old rink and being asked to donate in order to pay the players' wages! At least he has bought a certain stability to our finances. But he is primarily a businessman who is still making a profit from the status quo. He will only make changes when those profits are jeopardised ... which brings us back to those boycotts! Personally I think we need a shakeup at the top. Mr Moran is definitely not on my Christmas card list. I have heard too many stories regarding his attitude to fans (and have had 2 first hand experiences) to think that he is an asset to the club. In this city, my cat could sell Panther's tickets. As for Corey.. he's a nice chap, but I'm afraid he meddles too much - expecting players to change their natural game, constant fiddling with the lines. Time to go. Well, I hope someone comes up with a protest plan for Friday. I'm up for it!
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 13, 2016 21:01:08 GMT
The 2 most realistic options for change at the moment would appear to be a Panthers fan winning the Euro lottery or the fans of the Panthers forming and running a Supporters Trust.
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Post by iginla on Nov 13, 2016 21:17:27 GMT
I see the Steelers went to Dundee tonight and won again. Doesn't seem they have any problems beating a team that didn't play the night before.
So that shoots down one of Panthers excuses from last night !
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Post by iginla on Nov 13, 2016 21:23:25 GMT
The 2 most realistic options for change at the moment would appear to be a Panthers fan winning the Euro lottery or the fans of the Panthers forming and running a Supporters Trust. What happens Rob if the Trust asked Panthers for the two annual meetings they are required to attend and they refused ? Because you know what Moran is like and as for Black,he can't even be bothered to attend more than a handful of games a year.....so a meeting !
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Post by dill1015 on Nov 13, 2016 21:25:35 GMT
Just watched the highlights. Anyone in the club who thinks Panthers worked hard or were commited needs a slap and a reality check.
The defence for pretty much every steelers goal was a joke. So many times a player just strolled in on goal uncontested. No physically, no willingness to take the body, nothing! Players just stood like traffic cones around their own goal. What a shambles. And noone making any sort of contact along the boards or chasing down loose pucks. Steelers were cruising around without a care in the world in our own zone. For people within our own organisation to have the gall to call that trying hard... what a total embarrassment!
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 13, 2016 21:29:17 GMT
Just watched the highlights. Anyone in the club who thinks Panthers worked hard or were commited needs a slap and a reality check. The defence for pretty much every steelers goal was a joke. So many times a player just strolled in on goal uncontested. No physically, no willingness to take the body, nothing! Players just stood like traffic cones around their own goal. What a shambles. And noone making any sort of contact along the boards or chasing down loose pucks. Steelers were cruising around without a care in the world in our own zone. For people within our own organisation to have the gall to call that trying hard... what a total embarrassment! It's the system they were playing. Very obvious they were playing zonal rather than man to man. They were static and Steelers were moving. No chance of catching them or stopping them from a standing start. I just wish someone had the balls to say its BS and do what it takes on the ice and screw the system.
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Post by dill1015 on Nov 13, 2016 21:35:16 GMT
Just watched the highlights. Anyone in the club who thinks Panthers worked hard or were commited needs a slap and a reality check. The defence for pretty much every steelers goal was a joke. So many times a player just strolled in on goal uncontested. No physically, no willingness to take the body, nothing! Players just stood like traffic cones around their own goal. What a shambles. And noone making any sort of contact along the boards or chasing down loose pucks. Steelers were cruising around without a care in the world in our own zone. For people within our own organisation to have the gall to call that trying hard... what a total embarrassment! It's the system they were playing. Very obvious they were playing zonal rather than man to man. They were static and Steelers were moving. No chance of catching them or stopping them from a standing start. I just wish someone had the balls to say its BS and do what it takes on the ice and screw the system. Even when you play zonal defense you have to move your feet. You hold your shape and when someone tries to break the box you've got set up you go tight to the body and force them to keep cycling round the outside. We just watched them stroll in time and again. Bad system to play? Possibly. Bad execution? Absolutley.
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 13, 2016 21:42:02 GMT
It's the system they were playing. Very obvious they were playing zonal rather than man to man. They were static and Steelers were moving. No chance of catching them or stopping them from a standing start. I just wish someone had the balls to say its BS and do what it takes on the ice and screw the system. Even when you play zonal defense you have to move your feet. You hold your shape and when someone tries to break the box you've got set up you go tight to the body and force them to keep cycling round the outside. We just watched them stroll in time and again. Bad system to play? Possibly. Bad execution? Absolutley. Agreed. But if it's not working it should have been changed. My frustration is more the fact that whatever the reasons for it not working(In reality both system being wrong and execution) it was kept the same. Goal number 6 being the most obvious of the lot.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 13, 2016 22:04:37 GMT
The 2 most realistic options for change at the moment would appear to be a Panthers fan winning the Euro lottery or the fans of the Panthers forming and running a Supporters Trust. What happens Rob if the Trust asked Panthers for the two annual meetings they are required to attend and they refused ? Because you know what Moran is like and as for Black,he can't even be bothered to attend more than a handful of games a year.....so a meeting ! It's a legal requirement set out by Sports Minister Tracey Crouch. I'm hopeful but not confident that the club would like to meet with a democratically elected Supporters Trust before the need to get outside parties involved.
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Post by BigLad on Nov 13, 2016 22:50:37 GMT
What happens Rob if the Trust asked Panthers for the two annual meetings they are required to attend and they refused ? Because you know what Moran is like and as for Black,he can't even be bothered to attend more than a handful of games a year.....so a meeting ! It's a legal requirement set out by Sports Minister Tracey Crouch. I'm hopeful but not confident that the club would like to meet with a democratically elected Supporters Trust before the need to get outside parties involved. Doesn't the Trust have to have some part of ownership in the club though?
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Post by BigLad on Nov 13, 2016 22:52:53 GMT
Instead of boycotting a game or walking out, I think there'd be more of an impact if fans got together and protested outside the NIC or Panthers office tbh.
We have a great many casual fans so regulars walking out our not going won't be noticed that much.
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 13, 2016 22:54:57 GMT
It's a legal requirement set out by Sports Minister Tracey Crouch. I'm hopeful but not confident that the club would like to meet with a democratically elected Supporters Trust before the need to get outside parties involved. Doesn't the Trust have to have some part of ownership in the club though? No.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Nov 13, 2016 22:56:59 GMT
Doesn't the Trust have to have some part of ownership in the club though? No. To be effective though, probably yes.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 13, 2016 23:19:48 GMT
The game as gone lets let it go, after all its only a game, hockey that is!!! Come on mods put this one to bed No, I don't think that would be a good idea. Whilst I happen to think that some of the attitudes, styles and ideas on here are a bit (and sometimes more than a bit!) OTT... a thread like this can be a useful 'pressure release valve' for fans. Initially there's a lot of vitriol and some extreme viewpoints... but as similar threads in the past have shown, this often calms down at least a bit and some more balanced viewpoints start coming out (still critical, just not quite so OTT)... like the TCW podcast that I'm listening to right now. Quashing that kind of thing would be a bit heavy-handed by us mods, and wouldn't really help matters at all.
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Post by Shaggy on Nov 13, 2016 23:22:32 GMT
The frustrating thing is we are short yet sack Kalus and he is playing with the Lions while he finds a new team. Excuse me? Where did you hear that one?
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