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Post by marshalfish on Nov 13, 2016 11:37:24 GMT
Neilson clearly needs to go, as he has been one dimensional since he took the coach's position. Of course we won the league under him, but I think that and the cups were more like despite him. Some of his decisions and just as damning, inactions, have been incredulous. Of course we then need a coach, but we won't get anyone of note until the Moranasaurus has been let go. He has been at the very heart of the decline and often the cause. He just can't seem to accept that we aren't still stuck in the 80's.
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Post by iginla on Nov 13, 2016 12:04:43 GMT
Neilson should go and he should go now. For the rest of this season I don't really care who is the interim coach as long as Neilson is gone. The only reason he is still here is because he plays Morans game,therefore Moran sticks up for him and feeds Black a load of crap. Black in turn rarely sees either it or Panthers,is just blinded by the crap he is spoon fed and is either too thick or lazy to find out what's really happening.
Put Strachs and Clarkey in charge for the rest of this year....it can't be any worse than it is already !
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Post by doug on Nov 13, 2016 12:08:37 GMT
That was the worst Panthers performance I have seen (and I suspect many other Steeler's fans) in 22 years of watching hockey. I stopped applauding after goal 5 as it was becoming un-enjoyable. I don't pay to watch a "training session". When or if we beat you 8-1 I want to go home buzzing, not deflated, like the second and third period atmosphere. I think most Steeler's fans had grasped by then that your team has MAJOR problems. Only Kudros, for me, showed any enthusiasm, and I think he'll do you good. McGrattan was appalling! Did nothing but skate slowly around for his 10 second shifts before asking to come off shaking his head. The whole team looked, and I hesitate to say this, as if they didn't want to be there, with Neilson stood impassively watching on. Very strange. Without exaggerating, we could/should have had twelve or thirteen last night and the fact that our defence is so poor, Moose apart, should have led to at least a few Panther's goals but, there was nothing! The positive is that, you will come back and be a major force, but not this season. We only now need to worry about Cardiff I think, to stop us winning for a third time (don't think we will with our defence). If that had been a Steelers performance in Nottingham I would have been on the train home at the end of the 2nd period with the attitude that if they can't be bothered, neither can I. The only thing I'd disagree with on your comments is the bit about Cardiff.....I wouldn't discount Belfast either, they really impressed me a few weeks ago and should have beaten us in Sheffield. Regarding Nottingham, I suppose the question is how many changes need to be made? I guess part of the problem will be a lack of confidence that comes with a bad run. I've seen it in Sheffield before and a couple of quality signings can turn things around. The season we signed Bolibruck and Bronsard we'd lost 6 on the bounce, but those two signing turned things around and we only lost 1 in the following 27 games. I think Neil Black needs to dig his hand into his pocket and sign a couple of top end players, maybe that would give the others a lift. Regards Doom In that season, Sheffield's turn around also, and people forget this, co-incided with the return of Shudra, who was still a major player.
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Post by Pies on Nov 13, 2016 12:40:38 GMT
there are 2 league winning coaches without jobs in hockey currently. Go ask them if they fancy a stint in charge?
I am all for loyalty but it's a repeating cycle now
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Post by Yotes on Nov 13, 2016 12:42:51 GMT
I honestly think CN is only a small part of the problem. The whole ethos of the club is wrong. He's the most changeable part of the problem though ftm. I'd shed no tears if Black sells up, or Moran gets the chop, but neither seem remotely likely.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 12:54:40 GMT
Call me cynical but I have a very strong feeling the majority of the profit panthers are making is going towards setting this London KHL team up.. Black has already met with executives. That way he's not spending much of his capital of it. The Panthers fans are being used until ALL of the fanbase realise this the better
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Post by Lucy on Nov 13, 2016 13:56:39 GMT
the club will only notice the fans anger when the cash flow dries up. Unfortunately many have splashed out on season tickets which is a shame because you all deserve a refund. I urge you all to not even bother with the venting on here and talk with your feet at the next home game. Either leave at a set time in the game or don't go at all. The powers that be need to see that we as fans are not going to accept this. Panthers v Giants a week Friday is as good a game as any to avoid or to organise a mass walk out. When we played the clan last year and only a thousand or so turned up the club noticed. Vocally put pressure on the team, on then coach and on those above pulling the strings that make this whole puppet show as gross as it has become. Its a shame because early season form was good, how foolish I feel now to have backed this bunch. I do feel we have some good players (some in this case meaning very few) who would thrive with an injection of quality players but at this point of the season the quality player we need are banking cheques at other clubs. Hope things turn around because I've got a good outfit idea for playoffs!! A lot of the REAL Panthers fans have already voted with their feet. Where we sit we see very few of the long time season ticket holders we used to sit with have now gone and have been replaced by new season ticket holders who are starting the whole 10 year cycle again from day one. Between breaks I used to be surrounded with people I knew in the food queues and those meeting up with a drink to chew the fat and chat. Now I have to search for people I actually know.
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Post by Lucy on Nov 13, 2016 13:59:58 GMT
quote]A lot of the REAL Panthers fans have already voted with their feet. Where we sit we see very few of the long time season ticket holders we used to sit with have now gone and have been replaced by new season ticket holders who are starting the whole 10 year cycle again from day one. Between breaks I used to be surrounded with people I knew in the food queues and those meeting up with a drink to chew the fat and chat. Now I have to search for people I actually know. [/quote]
Totally agree with you. We noticed that at away games - many of the old regulars have stopped going - think we'll be stopping soon. Time and money spent to never be appreciated!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 14:02:27 GMT
quote]A lot of the REAL Panthers fans have already voted with their feet. Where we sit we see very few of the long time season ticket holders we used to sit with have now gone and have been replaced by new season ticket holders who are starting the whole 10 year cycle again from day one. Between breaks I used to be surrounded with people I knew in the food queues and those meeting up with a drink to chew the fat and chat. Now I have to search for people I actually know. Totally agree with you. We noticed that at away games - many of the old regulars have stopped going - think we'll be stopping soon. Time and money spent to never be appreciated! [/quote] Wow I never expected to read that from you !! #tideisturning
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Post by EMB on Nov 13, 2016 14:38:15 GMT
This I get. And you only have to read my other posts to see where I feel the real problem is. Unless something is done about the coaching we may never see what he can bring to the table. If Corey stays is there any point in having McGratton? The problem is Neil Black's lack of Panthers ambition. If he gave a toss about the sport and the team he would have cleared the office and coaching staff out years ago. He daren't , they know too much. He knows the problems with GM he gets enough calls and emails about him., but he's making money at the end of the day. Neil makes out he cares but he only says what people want to hear otherwise after all these years he would have grown a pair and done something about it. Money and profit talk.
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Post by PantherG on Nov 13, 2016 14:40:15 GMT
Call me cynical but I have a very strong feeling the majority of the profit panthers are making is going towards setting this London KHL team up.. Black has already met with executives. That way he's not spending much of his capital of it. The Panthers fans are being used until ALL of the fanbase realise this the better Black has nothing to do with the KHL team, the licence has gone to a multi millionaire investor who works with the likes of Abromvic. Black had put his EIHL London team on ice as a result. That seems dead in the water while the KHL experiment is started.
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Post by EMB on Nov 13, 2016 14:41:12 GMT
Neilson should go and he should go now. For the rest of this season I don't really care who is the interim coach as long as Neilson is gone. The only reason he is still here is because he plays Morans game,therefore Moran sticks up for him and feeds Black a load of crap. Black in turn rarely sees either it or Panthers,is just blinded by the crap he is spoon fed and is either too thick or lazy to find out what's really happening. Put Strachs and Clarkey in charge for the rest of this year....it can't be any worse than it is already ! You could do that but you still have GM there pulling the strings, Chou only have to ask the long term Brits about GM and they just roll their eyes.
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Post by PantherG on Nov 13, 2016 14:41:27 GMT
The frustrating thing is we are short yet sack Kalus and he is playing with the Lions while he finds a new team. Stupid to sack him and leave us so short.
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Post by EMB on Nov 13, 2016 14:45:53 GMT
I honestly think CN is only a small part of the problem. The whole ethos of the club is wrong. He's the most changeable part of the problem though ftm. I'd shed no tears if Black sells up, or Moran gets the chop, but neither seem remotely likely. Corey takes the rap but you need to see who's pulling the strings .
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 15:04:28 GMT
The problem is Neil Black's lack of Panthers ambition. If he gave a toss about the sport and the team he would have cleared the office and coaching staff out years ago. He daren't , they know too much. He knows the problems with GM he gets enough calls and emails about him., but he's making money at the end of the day. Neil makes out he cares but he only says what people want to hear otherwise after all these years he would have grown a pair and done something about it. Money and profit talk. Either way he is either a fool or taking us for fools. That's the bottom line.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 15:04:59 GMT
He's the most changeable part of the problem though ftm. I'd shed no tears if Black sells up, or Moran gets the chop, but neither seem remotely likely. Corey takes the rap but you need to see who's pulling the strings . He's the fudge*** coach. Moran doesn't set tactics change lines constantly . I really don't think CN is worth talking about. Moran is another part of the problem. The only way he leaves the panthers is in a wooden box!
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 15:05:50 GMT
quote]A lot of the REAL Panthers fans have already voted with their feet. Where we sit we see very few of the long time season ticket holders we used to sit with have now gone and have been replaced by new season ticket holders who are starting the whole 10 year cycle again from day one. Between breaks I used to be surrounded with people I knew in the food queues and those meeting up with a drink to chew the fat and chat. Now I have to search for people I actually know. Totally agree with you. We noticed that at away games - many of the old regulars have stopped going - think we'll be stopping soon. Time and money spent to never be appreciated! [/quote] There are just better things to do at the weekends and once you stop the spell is broken.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 15:06:59 GMT
He daren't , they know too much. He knows the problems with GM he gets enough calls and emails about him., but he's making money at the end of the day. Neil makes out he cares but he only says what people want to hear otherwise after all these years he would have grown a pair and done something about it. Money and profit talk. Either way he is either a fool or taking us for fools. That's the bottom line. There's too much apathy within the panthers organisation and fans. Lots of talkers and not enough doers . The FACT IS LAST NIGHT WILL BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT BY THE TIME THE NEXT LEAGUE GAME COMES ROUND !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 15:10:23 GMT
Either way he is either a fool or taking us for fools. That's the bottom line. There's too much apathy within the panthers organisation and fans. Lots of talkers and not enough doers . The FACT IS LAST NIGHT WILL BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT BY THE TIME THE NEXT LEAGUE GAME COMES ROUND ! The majority of the "fans" are just there for a night out. The sort of situation that the Caps owner must dream about.
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Post by wgray on Nov 13, 2016 15:25:24 GMT
There's too much apathy within the panthers organisation and fans. Lots of talkers and not enough doers . The FACT IS LAST NIGHT WILL BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT BY THE TIME THE NEXT LEAGUE GAME COMES ROUND ! The majority of the "fans" are just there for a night out. The sort of situation that the Caps owner must dream about. nail on the head
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Post by crom on Nov 13, 2016 15:26:35 GMT
My 2p as more of a neutral these days, 1 team turned up and it wasn't Notts. Notts have one of the biggest D men in the league - yet no hits, no pressing, no desire. Goaltender is weak to his left and Sheffield had his number all night long, I was surprised he wasn't yanked. Seems to be a lot of discord between the players with McGrattan giving Nielsen a 1000 yard stare at every change. That's one of the worst teams I've seen in the Elite League era, and I'm not just talking about Nottingham! I felt sorry for those who travelled 80 odd miles to see such a 1-sided game. Nothing seems to have changed since I stopped going in 04-05, being as the same "characters" are pulling the strings I can't say I'm surprised!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 15:30:07 GMT
There's too much apathy within the panthers organisation and fans. Lots of talkers and not enough doers . The FACT IS LAST NIGHT WILL BE FORGOTTEN ABOUT BY THE TIME THE NEXT LEAGUE GAME COMES ROUND ! The majority of the "fans" are just there for a night out. The sort of situation that the Caps owner must dream about. These fans you talk about mate probably didn't even know Panthers lost 8-1 last night
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 15:30:27 GMT
with McGrattan giving Nielsen a 1000 yard stare at every change. Yes and at one point he shrugged his shoulders and shock his head too. Something has been wrong for a long time but I can actually see players jumping before they are pushed at the moment.
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 15:33:50 GMT
The majority of the "fans" are just there for a night out. The sort of situation that the Caps owner must dream about. These fans you talk about mate probably didn't even know Panthers lost 8-1 last night One well to do young lad there as a Panthers fan with his new girlfriend sat behind us last night and tried to explain the rules to her. The only term he didn't use was the word "bat" and he even called the bench "the pits". It was the most entertaining part of the entire evening.
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Post by crom on Nov 13, 2016 15:37:58 GMT
with McGrattan giving Nielsen a 1000 yard stare at every change. Yes and at one point he shrugged his shoulders and shock his head too. Something has been wrong for a long time but I can actually see players jumping before they are pushed at the moment. Yes I saw that too at the end of the second (I was sat in 105) - he was one of the first off after the game as well and I couldn't quite see if he acknowledged the travelling support or not? Either way the body language looked like someone who didn't want to be there, hardly surprising considering where he's played before....
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