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Post by Bagheera on Nov 13, 2016 0:37:45 GMT
Just listened to your assistant coach, he must think you are all mugs. Gave it their all he says, your team gave up after goal no.3 went in. Nielson stood there like some cardboard cutout. No timeout called when you clearly needed it. I'd be going bonkers if that was Thompson. I thought the first 10mins you did OK but when the goals went in it was pretty much one way traffic. I can't remember the last time we totally dominated a Panthers team like we did tonight. The biggest thing that stood out to me was just how passive you were. Very few hits, no battling in the corners and pretty much zero effort. Looking around your players on the ice tonight I don't think there was one I'd say I'd love to see him in orange, there is always somebody but not tonight. As for the changes you clearly need how come McGrattan seems to escape many peoples lists of players to be gassed? He was completely invisible tonight. This league is past one dimensional fighters. Give me Cam Jannssen every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Nielson has to be in trouble, he's delivered the league once and he won't be doing it this year either. Neilson reels in any tough nut above the 6'2 mark and i 100% believe Corey's never changing attitude and system is wasting what McGrattan brings to the table. After seeing him play for years in NHL//AHL i can state with confidence that this is on his head. He's playing the role he's been assigned to and it's not doing him or the team any good. This I get. And you only have to read my other posts to see where I feel the real problem is. Unless something is done about the coaching we may never see what he can bring to the table. If Corey stays is there any point in having McGratton?
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 0:38:35 GMT
So Miika was injured but still dressed as back up whilst a healthy goalie was sat in the stands??? A half fit Miika may be better than Green but risking an injured Miika would be silly . What's that all about. Stupidity or Lies! I would quite definitely say it was lies. A fake injury to save him for Denmark because they know the league has already gone. Unbelievable really,only thirteen league games in and no chance of winning it......quite pathetic ! Stephen Schultz didn't look too badly injured when he followed us over from Cineworld to the arena with a coffee this evening either.
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Post by iginla on Nov 13, 2016 0:38:51 GMT
Just listened to your assistant coach, he must think you are all mugs. Gave it their all he says, your team gave up after goal no.3 went in. Nielson stood there like some cardboard cutout. No timeout called when you clearly needed it. I'd be going bonkers if that was Thompson. I thought the first 10mins you did OK but when the goals went in it was pretty much one way traffic. I can't remember the last time we totally dominated a Panthers team like we did tonight. The biggest thing that stood out to me was just how passive you were. Very few hits, no battling in the corners and pretty much zero effort. Looking around your players on the ice tonight I don't think there was one I'd say I'd love to see him in orange, there is always somebody but not tonight. As for the changes you clearly need how come McGrattan seems to escape many peoples lists of players to be gassed? He was completely invisible tonight. This league is past one dimensional fighters. Give me Cam Jannssen every day of the week and twice on Sundays. Nielson has to be in trouble, he's delivered the league once and he won't be doing it this year either. Neilson reels in any tough nut above the 6'2 mark and i 100% believe Corey's never changing attitude and system is wasting what McGrattan brings to the table. After seeing him play for years in NHL//AHL i can state with confidence that this is on his head. He's playing the role he's been assigned to and it's not doing him or the team any good. It's typical Neilson. He signs players,then tries to turn them into something they aren't. He has done it so many times,the man is a bloody pig ignorant waste of space !
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 0:40:30 GMT
Neilson reels in any tough nut above the 6'2 mark and i 100% believe Corey's never changing attitude and system is wasting what McGrattan brings to the table. After seeing him play for years in NHL//AHL i can state with confidence that this is on his head. He's playing the role he's been assigned to and it's not doing him or the team any good. This I get. And you only have to read my other posts to see where I feel the real problem is. Unless something is done about the coaching we may never see what he can bring to the table. If Corey stays is there any point in having McGratton? The problem is Neil Black's lack of Panthers ambition. If he gave a toss about the sport and the team he would have cleared the office and coaching staff out years ago.
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Post by iginla on Nov 13, 2016 0:43:41 GMT
I would quite definitely say it was lies. A fake injury to save him for Denmark because they know the league has already gone. Unbelievable really,only thirteen league games in and no chance of winning it......quite pathetic ! Stephen Schultz didn't look too badly injured when he followed us over from Cineworld to the arena with a coffee this evening either. "Schultz is a pussy who is made of glass". And they are not my words,that was told to me from inside Panthers !
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Post by johnbluebeam on Nov 13, 2016 1:05:12 GMT
That was probably the most inept performance I have seen from Panthers in years. The way we let them skate past us with no challenges going in was unbelievable and Clark setting up their 8th, iirc, just about summed up their whole game.
CN gassed Kalus to send a message to the players. I think their reply this evening was two fingers thrust vertically in his direction.
Thommo would have come out seething and apologised to the fans, our coach sends out RS to face the music. Schultz, Green and Waugh sitting in the stand, where was Lawrence?
How many will make recoveries this week for a nice trip to Denmark?
Common factor in all the poor recruitment, tactics, systems,or lack of, is CN. Time for change.
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Post by iginla on Nov 13, 2016 1:26:06 GMT
That was probably the most inept performance I have seen from Panthers in years. The way we let them skate past us with no challenges going in was unbelievable and Clark setting up their 8th, iirc, just about summed up their whole game. CN gassed Kalus to send a message to the players. I think their reply this evening was two fingers thrust vertically in his direction. Thommo would have come out seething and apologised to the fans, our coach sends out RS to face the music. Schultz, Green and Waugh sitting in the stand, where was Lawrence? How many will make recoveries this week for a nice trip to Denmark? Common factor in all the poor recruitment, tactics, systems,or lack of, is CN. Time for change. Spot on. It's time for us fans to put some heat on Neilson at the next home game and get him out !
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Post by Rob Scott on Nov 13, 2016 7:16:48 GMT
I honestly think CN is only a small part of the problem. The whole ethos of the club is wrong.
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Post by nate24 on Nov 13, 2016 7:23:18 GMT
I honestly think CN is only a small part of the problem. The whole ethos of the club is wrong. Small cogs turn big wheel and it's about time a significant head rolled.
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Post by Pies on Nov 13, 2016 8:07:28 GMT
Last night I sent a lot of furious tweets about that performance. And I stand by them all today. Not one hint of an apology or even an acknowledgment that a few hundred of us went up there and saw such an abject performance. Pacl was the only guy who could hold his head up because he had nothing in front of him all night.
I've said it for a while and I'll say it again - the culture of this club has to change. GM is the first person who should be out the door. In this day and age, anyone can sell tickets to hockey in Nottingham and what else does he bring? Arrogance and a complete lack of understanding of his fan base. The media output isn poor and we're stuck in the Stone Age.
As for the players, i just don't have the words. Shortbenched yes but heads dropped and no one was leading be example. We lost 9-2 up there grand slam season but at least they went down swinging (literally in Wilsons case)
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Post by Lucy on Nov 13, 2016 8:56:50 GMT
Rarely have I left a game before the end,been then it would just be minutes left to avoid queues getting away. Last night I left at the end of the second period - just confirms how I feel right now.
We have five games in ten days coming up - not looking good!
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Post by doug on Nov 13, 2016 9:26:17 GMT
That was the worst Panthers performance I have seen (and I suspect many other Steeler's fans) in 22 years of watching hockey. I stopped applauding after goal 5 as it was becoming un-enjoyable. I don't pay to watch a "training session". When or if we beat you 8-1 I want to go home buzzing, not deflated, like the second and third period atmosphere. I think most Steeler's fans had grasped by then that your team has MAJOR problems. Only Kudros, for me, showed any enthusiasm, and I think he'll do you good. McGrattan was appalling! Did nothing but skate slowly around for his 10 second shifts before asking to come off shaking his head. The whole team looked, and I hesitate to say this, as if they didn't want to be there, with Neilson stood impassively watching on. Very strange. Without exaggerating, we could/should have had twelve or thirteen last night and the fact that our defence is so poor, Moose apart, should have led to at least a few Panther's goals but, there was nothing! The positive is that, you will come back and be a major force, but not this season. We only now need to worry about Cardiff I think, to stop us winning for a third time (don't think we will with our defence).
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Post by titch on Nov 13, 2016 9:27:05 GMT
It was the first game I've left early, ever. I left with 14 minutes on the clock in p3.
I think it's harsh to fully blame the players. This loss is about the 'club' as a whole, not the team we have sitting on the bench, I can tell you now that EACH and EVERY player cares and wants to play his best but isn't given the chance to do so. 15 players for the Panthers vs 24 players for the Steelers is a huge difference and something needs to change within our club to stop us from getting to this point. It seems to happen every season. The only reason we lost the grand slam last season was purely down to injuries and not being able to sort them out in time.
Panthers seem to get injuries and then paper over the cracks with old ex-NHL players for instant success and obviously whilst this may work towards the end of the season for Playoffs/Cup finals, it is not a sustainable plan for the league, something of which OUR fans deserve to win more often than once every 4000 years.
You know it's pretty bad when the Sheffield fans are feeling sorry for you and admit that the loss was down to a club in trouble. Embarrassing.
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Post by titch on Nov 13, 2016 9:33:49 GMT
That was the worst Panthers performance I have seen (and I suspect many other Steeler's fans) in 22 years of watching hockey. I stopped applauding after goal 5 as it was becoming un-enjoyable. I don't pay to watch a "training session". When or if we beat you 8-1 I want to go home buzzing, not deflated, like the second and third period atmosphere. I think most Steeler's fans had grasped by then that your team has MAJOR problems. Only Kudros, for me, showed any enthusiasm, and I think he'll do you good. McGrattan was appalling! Did nothing but skate slowly around for his 10 second shifts before asking to come off shaking his head. The whole team looked, and I hesitate to say this, as if they didn't want to be there, with Neilson stood impassively watching on. Very strange. Without exaggerating, we could/should have had twelve or thirteen last night and the fact that our defence is so poor, Moose apart, should have led to at least a few Panther's goals but, there was nothing! The positive is that, you will come back and be a major force, but not this season. We only now need to worry about Cardiff I think, to stop us winning for a third time (don't think we will with our defence). Whilst I agree with you on certain points, I'd argue that the players DO want to be there but they're sick of playing games short benched and having to work 10x as hard as the opposition to even stand a chance in a game. It's like me going to work and having to do 3 peoples jobs whilst another person does one job and gets paid the same, I'd shake my head and be annoyed too. Panthers will come back strong for the Playoffs & Challenge Cup later in the season, as always. Boring.
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Post by Doom on Nov 13, 2016 9:56:10 GMT
That was the worst Panthers performance I have seen (and I suspect many other Steeler's fans) in 22 years of watching hockey. I stopped applauding after goal 5 as it was becoming un-enjoyable. I don't pay to watch a "training session". When or if we beat you 8-1 I want to go home buzzing, not deflated, like the second and third period atmosphere. I think most Steeler's fans had grasped by then that your team has MAJOR problems. Only Kudros, for me, showed any enthusiasm, and I think he'll do you good. McGrattan was appalling! Did nothing but skate slowly around for his 10 second shifts before asking to come off shaking his head. The whole team looked, and I hesitate to say this, as if they didn't want to be there, with Neilson stood impassively watching on. Very strange. Without exaggerating, we could/should have had twelve or thirteen last night and the fact that our defence is so poor, Moose apart, should have led to at least a few Panther's goals but, there was nothing! The positive is that, you will come back and be a major force, but not this season. We only now need to worry about Cardiff I think, to stop us winning for a third time (don't think we will with our defence). If that had been a Steelers performance in Nottingham I would have been on the train home at the end of the 2nd period with the attitude that if they can't be bothered, neither can I. The only thing I'd disagree with on your comments is the bit about Cardiff.....I wouldn't discount Belfast either, they really impressed me a few weeks ago and should have beaten us in Sheffield. Regarding Nottingham, I suppose the question is how many changes need to be made? I guess part of the problem will be a lack of confidence that comes with a bad run. I've seen it in Sheffield before and a couple of quality signings can turn things around. The season we signed Bolibruck and Bronsard we'd lost 6 on the bounce, but those two signing turned things around and we only lost 1 in the following 27 games. I think Neil Black needs to dig his hand into his pocket and sign a couple of top end players, maybe that would give the others a lift. Regards Doom
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 10:07:59 GMT
That was the worst Panthers performance I have seen (and I suspect many other Steeler's fans) in 22 years of watching hockey. I stopped applauding after goal 5 as it was becoming un-enjoyable. I don't pay to watch a "training session". When or if we beat you 8-1 I want to go home buzzing, not deflated, like the second and third period atmosphere. I think most Steeler's fans had grasped by then that your team has MAJOR problems. Only Kudros, for me, showed any enthusiasm, and I think he'll do you good. McGrattan was appalling! Did nothing but skate slowly around for his 10 second shifts before asking to come off shaking his head. The whole team looked, and I hesitate to say this, as if they didn't want to be there, with Neilson stood impassively watching on. Very strange. Without exaggerating, we could/should have had twelve or thirteen last night and the fact that our defence is so poor, Moose apart, should have led to at least a few Panther's goals but, there was nothing! The positive is that, you will come back and be a major force, but not this season. We only now need to worry about Cardiff I think, to stop us winning for a third time (don't think we will with our defence). If that had been a Steelers performance in Nottingham I would have been on the train home at the end of the 2nd period with the attitude that if they can't be bothered, neither can I. The only thing I'd disagree with on your comments is the bit about Cardiff.....I wouldn't discount Belfast either, they really impressed me a few weeks ago and should have beaten us in Sheffield. Regarding Nottingham, I suppose the question is how many changes need to be made? I guess part of the problem will be a lack of confidence that comes with a bad run. I've seen it in Sheffield before and a couple of quality signings can turn things around. The season we signed Bolibruck and Bronsard we'd lost 6 on the bounce, but those two signing turned things around and we only lost 1 in the following 27 games. I think Neil Black needs to dig his hand into his pocket and sign a couple of top end players, maybe that would give the others a lift. Regards Doom Neil Black is part of the problem. If it really mattered to him the current setup would have been shaken up years ago. His aims and goals for the Panthers org are different to the shrinking section of real fans who have supported the Panther for years and I don't think that is going to change so long as we have the fastest turnover of a fanbase in British sport.
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Post by jdizpt8 on Nov 13, 2016 10:09:48 GMT
the club will only notice the fans anger when the cash flow dries up. Unfortunately many have splashed out on season tickets which is a shame because you all deserve a refund. I urge you all to not even bother with the venting on here and talk with your feet at the next home game. Either leave at a set time in the game or don't go at all. The powers that be need to see that we as fans are not going to accept this. Panthers v Giants a week Friday is as good a game as any to avoid or to organise a mass walk out. When we played the clan last year and only a thousand or so turned up the club noticed. Vocally put pressure on the team, on then coach and on those above pulling the strings that make this whole puppet show as gross as it has become. Its a shame because early season form was good, how foolish I feel now to have backed this bunch. I do feel we have some good players (some in this case meaning very few) who would thrive with an injection of quality players but at this point of the season the quality player we need are banking cheques at other clubs. Hope things turn around because I've got a good outfit idea for playoffs!!
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Post by wasteoftime on Nov 13, 2016 10:10:19 GMT
That was the worst Panthers performance I have seen (and I suspect many other Steeler's fans) in 22 years of watching hockey. I stopped applauding after goal 5 as it was becoming un-enjoyable. I don't pay to watch a "training session". When or if we beat you 8-1 I want to go home buzzing, not deflated, like the second and third period atmosphere. I think most Steeler's fans had grasped by then that your team has MAJOR problems. Only Kudros, for me, showed any enthusiasm, and I think he'll do you good. McGrattan was appalling! Did nothing but skate slowly around for his 10 second shifts before asking to come off shaking his head. The whole team looked, and I hesitate to say this, as if they didn't want to be there, with Neilson stood impassively watching on. Very strange. Without exaggerating, we could/should have had twelve or thirteen last night and the fact that our defence is so poor, Moose apart, should have led to at least a few Panther's goals but, there was nothing! The positive is that, you will come back and be a major force, but not this season. We only now need to worry about Cardiff I think, to stop us winning for a third time (don't think we will with our defence). If that had been a Steelers performance in Nottingham I would have been on the train home at the end of the 2nd period with the attitude that if they can't be bothered, neither can I. The only thing I'd disagree with on your comments is the bit about Cardiff.....I wouldn't discount Belfast either, they really impressed me a few weeks ago and should have beaten us in Sheffield. Regarding Nottingham, I suppose the question is how many changes need to be made? I guess part of the problem will be a lack of confidence that comes with a bad run. I've seen it in Sheffield before and a couple of quality signings can turn things around. The season we signed Bolibruck and Bronsard we'd lost 6 on the bounce, but those two signing turned things around and we only lost 1 in the following 27 games. I think Neil Black needs to dig his hand into his pocket and sign a couple of top end players, maybe that would give the others a lift. Regards Doom
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 10:17:47 GMT
the club will only notice the fans anger when the cash flow dries up. Unfortunately many have splashed out on season tickets which is a shame because you all deserve a refund. I urge you all to not even bother with the venting on here and talk with your feet at the next home game. Either leave at a set time in the game or don't go at all. The powers that be need to see that we as fans are not going to accept this. Panthers v Giants a week Friday is as good a game as any to avoid or to organise a mass walk out. When we played the clan last year and only a thousand or so turned up the club noticed. Vocally put pressure on the team, on then coach and on those above pulling the strings that make this whole puppet show as gross as it has become. Its a shame because early season form was good, how foolish I feel now to have backed this bunch. I do feel we have some good players (some in this case meaning very few) who would thrive with an injection of quality players but at this point of the season the quality player we need are banking cheques at other clubs. Hope things turn around because I've got a good outfit idea for playoffs!! A lot of the REAL Panthers fans have already voted with their feet. Where we sit we see very few of the long time season ticket holders we used to sit with have now gone and have been replaced by new season ticket holders who are starting the whole 10 year cycle again from day one. Between breaks I used to be surrounded with people I knew in the food queues and those meeting up with a drink to chew the fat and chat. Now I have to search for people I actually know.
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Post by dexter on Nov 13, 2016 10:24:37 GMT
the club will only notice the fans anger when the cash flow dries up. Unfortunately many have splashed out on season tickets which is a shame because you all deserve a refund. I urge you all to not even bother with the venting on here and talk with your feet at the next home game. Either leave at a set time in the game or don't go at all. The powers that be need to see that we as fans are not going to accept this. Panthers v Giants a week Friday is as good a game as any to avoid or to organise a mass walk out. When we played the clan last year and only a thousand or so turned up the club noticed. Vocally put pressure on the team, on then coach and on those above pulling the strings that make this whole puppet show as gross as it has become. Its a shame because early season form was good, how foolish I feel now to have backed this bunch. I do feel we have some good players (some in this case meaning very few) who would thrive with an injection of quality players but at this point of the season the quality player we need are banking cheques at other clubs. Hope things turn around because I've got a good outfit idea for playoffs!! Agreed. Regrettably i purchased my season ticket yet again this year so i will only be able to vote with my wallet for the cup games. Happy to join in on Friday though!
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Nov 13, 2016 10:41:34 GMT
For me it's pretty obvious that Neilson's 'systems' are a big problem.
The systems take 300+ game NHL enforcers and make them redundant. Cam was benched on the drop of a hat & McGrattan switches from 1st to 4th lines in the space of 2mins.
I watch team GB and it's a rejuvenated/refreshed performance from Clarke, Betteridge etc... even Lacho looked half decent and interested!
Guys that have scored good points all their career, struggling to get anywhere near a PPG.
KHL & Austrian EBEL d-men having rings run round them.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2016 10:49:00 GMT
I don't have any problem voting with my feet. There's a lot of talkers in the panthers fanbase. They say they are doing something then do the opposite. I paid over 300 for a season ticket but this is more than about the money. For me driving 25 miles to watch a team look like they don't care ... why should I make the effort to get ready and go out..
I'm amazed reading on twitter people still defend Neilson... actually I'm not because a huge portion of fans these days are pretty much clueless so when they see Challenge cups roll in every year they re happy.
I hardly see any fans now from the old days/stadium I guess they've seen the light. Been replaced by fans who won't be there in 5 years time .
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Nov 13, 2016 10:51:20 GMT
I don't have any problem voting with my feet. There's a lot of talkers in the panthers fanbase. They say they are doing something then do the opposite. I paid over 300 for a season ticket but this is more than about the money. For me driving 25 miles to watch a team look like they don't care ... why should I make the effort to get ready and go out.. I'm amazed reading on twitter people still defend Neilson... actually I'm not because a huge portion of fans these days are pretty much clueless so when they see Challenge cups roll in every year they re happy. I hardly see any fans now from the old days/stadium I guess they've seen the light. Been replaced by fans who won't be there in 5 years time . And therein lies the problem
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Post by Bagheera on Nov 13, 2016 11:01:48 GMT
For me it's pretty obvious that Neilson's 'systems' are a big problem. The systems take 300+ game NHL enforcers and make them redundant. Cam was benched on the drop of a hat & McGrattan switches from 1st to 4th lines in the space of 2mins. I watch team GB and it's a rejuvenated/refreshed performance from Clarke, Betteridge etc... even Lacho looked half decent and interested! Guys that have scored good points all their career, struggling to get anywhere near a PPG. KHL & Austrian EBEL d-men having rings run round them. I think this is sometimes the harder thing to see. It's easy to look at static players and think they arn't trying. If you look at the bigger picture it's easy to see they are playing to a system that simply doesn't work. The players see it and therefor lose heart. Of course there are issues with the playing staff too. However far too often we see good players with very good CVs fail to deliver here. Yet 90% of other teams big name players do what you expect(Corey Pecker excluded of course) It's too regular to just be bad attitude from these guys. I sat directly behind the bench on Friday night(move around for CC games rather than staying in my ST seat). You can see the players communicating and trying to support each other. You can also see there frustration as they skate off. You can here them telling Corey it's not working. What you can't see or here is Corey! There will always be coasters & bad eggs but i'm nieve enough to believe that most of this team, as with most sportsman do care and do give it their all. The problem comes when they don't believe in their leader.
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Post by dill1015 on Nov 13, 2016 11:09:13 GMT
That was the worst Panthers performance I have seen (and I suspect many other Steeler's fans) in 22 years of watching hockey. I stopped applauding after goal 5 as it was becoming un-enjoyable. I don't pay to watch a "training session". When or if we beat you 8-1 I want to go home buzzing, not deflated, like the second and third period atmosphere. I think most Steeler's fans had grasped by then that your team has MAJOR problems. Only Kudros, for me, showed any enthusiasm, and I think he'll do you good. McGrattan was appalling! Did nothing but skate slowly around for his 10 second shifts before asking to come off shaking his head. The whole team looked, and I hesitate to say this, as if they didn't want to be there, with Neilson stood impassively watching on. Very strange. Without exaggerating, we could/should have had twelve or thirteen last night and the fact that our defence is so poor, Moose apart, should have led to at least a few Panther's goals but, there was nothing! The positive is that, you will come back and be a major force, but not this season. We only now need to worry about Cardiff I think, to stop us winning for a third time (don't think we will with our defence). If that had been a Steelers performance in Nottingham I would have been on the train home at the end of the 2nd period with the attitude that if they can't be bothered, neither can I. The only thing I'd disagree with on your comments is the bit about Cardiff.....I wouldn't discount Belfast either, they really impressed me a few weeks ago and should have beaten us in Sheffield. Regarding Nottingham, I suppose the question is how many changes need to be made? I guess part of the problem will be a lack of confidence that comes with a bad run. I've seen it in Sheffield before and a couple of quality signings can turn things around. The season we signed Bolibruck and Bronsard we'd lost 6 on the bounce, but those two signing turned things around and we only lost 1 in the following 27 games. I think Neil Black needs to dig his hand into his pocket and sign a couple of top end players, maybe that would give the others a lift. Regards Doom I agree with you Doom. The locker room has clearly gone. Noone is being a leader and accountable. A lot of people thought the team wasnt good enough on paper. I arguged we weren't that far off, but whatever your initial view everyone can agree we are massively underperforming. Just imagine how much better we'd look if we swapped MacMillan, Spang and Mcgratten for Jordan Fox, Brock Wilson and Cam Janssen. Several big changes needed. And im voting with my feet until they happen.
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