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Post by wasteoftime on Oct 7, 2016 13:15:51 GMT
For a whole season, he is an outstanding player however, might it be in the best interest of both parties that we let him go?
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Post by Yotes on Oct 7, 2016 14:05:07 GMT
Without knowing exactly what issues he's had, it's hard to say. Have the injuries he's had this year been linked to the one he sustained last season?
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Post by nate24 on Oct 7, 2016 14:37:15 GMT
Reminds me of Higgins in this front.
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Oct 7, 2016 15:16:51 GMT
Tough one, he's mercurial when fit but it seems the summer break hasn't aided his recovery.
If it was me I'd take a full season off competitive hockey, get it properly sorted (Plenty of guys take years out e.g. Chris Murray before his season with us) and then enter back into the professional game. Again, from my point of view, he's doing himself and the team no favours... probably sounds harsh.
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Post by nate24 on Oct 7, 2016 15:19:12 GMT
Tough one, he's mercurial when fit but it seems the summer break hasn't aided his recovery. If it was me I'd take a full season off competitive hockey, get it properly sorted (Plenty of guys take years out e.g. Chris Murray before his season with us) and then enter back into the professional game. Again, from my point of view, he's doing himself and the team no favours... probably sounds harsh. He may not earn enough to be able to take a year out. Over a career this level of player needs to earn as much as they can as they don't make a lot over a career in the grand scheme of things. |
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Post by PantherB on Oct 7, 2016 16:19:58 GMT
His place on the team and in Nottingham is pretty much certain unless he gets a season ending injury and/or doesn't want to stay here. He's far too valuable a player to dump. With us being more keen on cover and quick replacements this season, there's no reason we can't keep everyone. Brings competition for a roster spot but i doubt that'll be battled for too much as i'd expect us to have at least an import out injured in most games this year and for every year.
Schultz is an incredible player, when fit, he could easily be the Top Point Scorer and one of the more explosive, dynamic forwards in the league. He was exceptional in Amiens, led pretty much every game.
The problem is his knee/leg. He suffered that stomach churning injury against Edinburgh last November and being an injury of that severity, his knee/leg will never be as strong as it was unless he has extensive surgery which would likely kill off his career. There is a trend in the ways in which he becomes injured, it's always a blow to the leg. Very much like Higgins and his bumpy ride with us. Targeted hits to his leg? Potentially when he returns now it's clearly apparent his leg is injury prone but i don't feel the hit he took on Saturday was targeted.
Personally, i'd be incredibly disappointed if we let him go. Corey loves him, proper team player and a key game changing player. It'd be criminal to let him go because you could guarantee it would not put off our rivals from trying to tempt him to sign with them.
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Post by EMB on Oct 7, 2016 17:54:14 GMT
It's a different injury this time not his knee, I asked him at the quiz night as I had the same injury many years ago but worse.
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Post by dill1015 on Oct 7, 2016 22:44:19 GMT
Unless anyone on here knows exactly what his injuries are this is a bit of a pointless thread imo.
The only point i will make in Schultz's favour is that its not that hes skating around and just getting injuries as a matter of course. They seem to be a result of knocks.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 8, 2016 1:00:24 GMT
So Schulz has a different injury?
Wow, you're on fire Pantherb. Are you trying to get every post completely incorrect on purpose??
It's very impressive.
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Post by Yotes on Oct 8, 2016 1:28:29 GMT
 Day off for @jordannooooooo , see you on Sunday. I'm leaving the post in as a useful example of the sort of thing we've had enough of. Don't say we didn't warn you. |
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Post by wgray on Oct 8, 2016 2:36:36 GMT
Schultz has been very unlucky, he is worth keeping and investing faith into as he is a gem of a player, if he can get a consistent, lengthy spell he could easily be one of the top goal/point scorers in the league
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Post by nate24 on Oct 8, 2016 5:30:58 GMT
Unless anyone on here knows exactly what his injuries are this is a bit of a pointless thread imo. The only point i will make in Schultz's favour is that its not that hes skating around and just getting injuries as a matter of course. They seem to be a result of knocks. If it's different injuries that shows he is injury prone either way doesn't it? It's still an issue and a discussion is definitely warranted despite the uncomfortableness it causes some. |
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 8, 2016 6:53:27 GMT
Unless anyone on here knows exactly what his injuries are this is a bit of a pointless thread imo. The only point i will make in Schultz's favour is that its not that hes skating around and just getting injuries as a matter of course. They seem to be a result of knocks. If it's different injuries that shows he is injury prone either way doesn't it? It's still an issue and a discussion is definitely warranted despite the uncomfortableness it causes some. But what exactly is the definition here of "injury prone"? - is he physically weaker than other players or has a pre-existing condition? - does his style of play put him in risky situations more than other players? - is he being targeted? - is it just bad luck? - or a combination of any of the above? Simply calling him "injury prone" seems to be a bit meaningless... |
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Oct 8, 2016 8:46:50 GMT
Personally, i'd be incredibly disappointed if we let him go. Corey loves him, proper team player and a key game changing player. It'd be criminal to let him go because you could guarantee it would not put off our rivals from trying to tempt him to sign with them. There are many things I agree with you on, but the thought of him going to a rival doesn't particularly scare me. He's currently doing about 5 games in a row before either (knowledge aided by Panthers inability to communicate) a recurring injury flares up or he picks up something new. If I'm to be harsh, he isn't in the key games to be able to change them... whether Corey loves him or not, it's a results based industry. The more he suffers injuries (unimportant where or what), the lesser impact he will have. Either skating gingerly, getting himself less involved physically, thinking twice about chasing down a dump-in, or just by the fact the opposition will know how to (& that they can) target him. Hockey players are tough guys, but they're aren't stupid. They know that there is a life after hockey that still needs protecting. |
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Post by texpef on Oct 8, 2016 9:34:19 GMT
If it's different injuries that shows he is injury prone either way doesn't it? It's still an issue and a discussion is definitely warranted despite the uncomfortableness it causes some. But what exactly is the definition here of "injury prone"? - is he physically weaker than other players or has a pre-existing condition? - does his style of play put him in risky situations more than other players? - is he being targeted? - is it just bad luck? - or a combination of any of the above? Simply calling him "injury prone" seems to be a bit meaningless... Must be getting old... completely agree with you here Shags.. it means nothing without a definition.. As for Shultz im sorry but as an import they are a lot easier to replace than brits purely due to supply and demand. If he has a long term injury without a defined returned to work then imho it would be better to release him from his contract and replace with another high end player (especially as the cuts for the higher leagues are being made). Then IF he does return to form, a) he wont have any difficulties getting another job and b) if we are still light on imports and/or need replacements then we can look to resign him. As is oft repeated, we are supposed to be a professional sports club and one of the leading ice hockey clubs in the country, as a professional sports club we SHOULD be driven by results and as such to have a key player sidelined for an indefinite amount is ludicrous no matter how good he is perceived to be. Bring in a replacement (as can be seen with Kalus arguably and move on). Only thing I could say the club have done wrong in all this is not replacing Oakford, what happened to all those summer rumours of brits signing in Nottingham that seemed to have failed to materialise?). |
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Post by kievthegreat on Oct 8, 2016 11:02:13 GMT
I'd just be cautious about what you mean by dropping injured players. If for instance, I was was offered a contract by a club that dumps injured players with 2 weeks notice for instance I'd probably steer clear and find anything else.
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Post by spik on Oct 8, 2016 12:33:07 GMT
If another injury appears this threads question is certain to mean yes.
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Post by nate24 on Oct 8, 2016 15:44:12 GMT
If it's different injuries that shows he is injury prone either way doesn't it? It's still an issue and a discussion is definitely warranted despite the uncomfortableness it causes some. But what exactly is the definition here of "injury prone"? - is he physically weaker than other players or has a pre-existing condition? - does his style of play put him in risky situations more than other players? - is he being targeted? - is it just bad luck? - or a combination of any of the above? Simply calling him "injury prone" seems to be a bit meaningless... He is often injured hence prone to injury. Pretty simple really. |
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Post by Kovalchuk17 on Oct 8, 2016 20:45:36 GMT
I'd just be cautious about what you mean by dropping injured players. If for instance, I was was offered a contract by a club that dumps injured players with 2 weeks notice for instance I'd probably steer clear and find anything else. Surely clubs are well within their rights to cut injured players... usually it's by mutual consent, but what if the player refused to go (we'd all like to sit on the sidelines getting paid) or if the player arrived unfit? |
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Post by The Flying Shirt on Oct 8, 2016 21:29:50 GMT
I'd just be cautious about what you mean by dropping injured players. If for instance, I was was offered a contract by a club that dumps injured players with 2 weeks notice for instance I'd probably steer clear and find anything else. Surely clubs are well within their rights to cut injured players... usually it's by mutual consent, but what if the player refused to go (we'd all like to sit on the sidelines getting paid) or if the player arrived unfit? LOADS of players have arrived unfit right up until a few years ago. One was so crocked he spent most of his time here doing the very first entrance video and only got onto the ice a couple of times before the season ended. |
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Post by deke on Oct 9, 2016 17:06:01 GMT
Well done admin! Yeah a tough one. Schultz is One of our best players but he keeps getting injured,mentioned this on another thread. Kalus or schultz? I'm worried about relying on schultz if he clearly has issues with injuries, k wall comes to mind on this.
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Post by Shaggy on Oct 9, 2016 17:49:27 GMT
But what exactly is the definition here of "injury prone"? - is he physically weaker than other players or has a pre-existing condition? - does his style of play put him in risky situations more than other players? - is he being targeted? - is it just bad luck? - or a combination of any of the above? Simply calling him "injury prone" seems to be a bit meaningless... He is often injured hence prone to injury. Pretty simple really. Not really all that simple... neither the definition (covered above) nor all the subtext surrounding it. That being - it appears to be the view of some that if a player is "injury prone" (however that may be defined) then the club should get rid of him. I happen to agree with this:- I'd just be cautious about what you mean by dropping injured players. If for instance, I was was offered a contract by a club that dumps injured players with 2 weeks notice for instance I'd probably steer clear and find anything else. The club have to think in the short, medium AND long term... and long term, binning off players like that could severely impact future recruiting. We have to remember... these guys aren't just statistics on legs, they're not just points-producing machines... they're real people with real lives, many with families, and whilst a career in hockey is never going to be the most stable or secure around, they still need to minimise the employment risks. That doesn't mean to say that we should never consider releasing a player... but it's got to be close to a 'last resort' kind of thing. And this season has already shown how generating goodwill amongst players can benefit the club... first, Kalus recommends Pacl based on his own experience here, and then comes back himself. Wouldn't happen if "you're fired!" was a common phrase around here... |
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Post by deke on Oct 9, 2016 19:34:07 GMT
Agree with you to an extent shaggy. My worry is that schultz will not be on low pay and is likely one of our higher earners. Despite that he has missed a lot of games I'm not saying dump him but seriously think about re signing him. If he doesn't start being available more we may have no choice but to say goodbye. I like schultz and I'd love him to play more but we have to keep in mind if he doesn't play many games is it worth another contract? Or do you step back and go for a player who you will get more games out of. The other way round is to sign a quality scratch when he gets injured.
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Post by marshalfish on Oct 9, 2016 19:50:11 GMT
Do the players or club not have injury insurance? If so they could let Schultz recover and be paid by the insurance, whilst replacing him with the monies that they are not then paying to him.
A lot of ifs there though.
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Post by PantherB on Oct 9, 2016 19:55:43 GMT
Do the players or club not have injury insurance? If so they could let Schultz recover and be paid by the insurance, whilst replacing him with the monies that they are not then paying to him. A lot of ifs there though. I believe they have health insurance paid for them so the club nor player has to pay for treatment unless it's specialist. As for the wages being covered by an additional insurance, i've heard that it is but no idea myself. |
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